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by **Lando_Griffin** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:46 pm

Which brings to light yet another reason why I don't support the team:

I flat out REFUSE to watch Gerrard gimp for that fat f*cking waste of an orgasm. Even his own fans at West Ham had summed him up - they called him "E.M.M.A.", for anyone who doesn't know.

England
Midfielder
My
A*se.

How prophetic that one bunch of cockneys could have it so right, yet the richest club in the World cums in it's pants over the tubby tosspot.

And Gerrard is playing second fiddle to the waster. It's like Souness sitting out wide so Robbie Savage can play where he wants.

Pathetic. :no

by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:52 pm

Wouldnt go that far lando, still gotta show some patriotism...

facts are tho:

terry has lost his bottle since injuries
terry doesnt command respect for england
fat lamps is awful
mcclaren is awful
the national team has no fight
we need a striker who can find the back of the net

by **stmichael** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 4:59 pm

the striking situation is frightening to be honest. who has the manager got to pick from? look at the lack of quality english strikers in the premiership.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:38 am

I am getting concerned about Steve McLaren.

On the BBC, he was asked what he intended to do about the striker situation.

He said he was going to travel back through time and recruit Jimmy Greaves.

Then Garth Crooks asked him a brief question about the potential disruption that time travel could cause to the linear nature of the universe and the space-time continuum, not to mention the philisophical, ethical and moral issues of destiny, fate, tangent universes, and corruption of the human spirit caused by the acquisition of knowledge.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:18 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:I am getting concerned about Steve McLaren.

On the BBC, he was asked what he intended to do about the striker situation.

He said he was going to travel back through time and recruit Jimmy Greaves.

Then Garth Crooks asked him a brief question about the potential disruption that time travel could cause to the linear nature of the universe and the space-time continuum, not to mention the philisophical, ethical and moral issues of destiny, fate, tangent universes, and corruption of the human spirit caused by the acquisition of knowledge.

What did he say?

by **The Manhattan Project** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 6:41 am

He didn't say anything.

His eyes just glazed over while Garth was escorted from the press room by force.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:46 am

I'm quite happy with the result. Another step closer to getting McClaren out.

by **Big Niall** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:15 am

Drop Lampard, Gerrard plays centre, Lennon plays on right, and anybody with a left foot (no right footers, they always stop and check back in and are rubbish ) on the left. Do that and when Michael Owen returns, England will qualify, probably get to the semis.

I agree with what John Barnes said over the weekend (although when I said it I was accused by somebody of being anti - English). Expectations are too high. The hype of the premiership has led people to think that all the English players are world class.

Anyone who thinks Beckham should play his slow game on the wing instead of Lennon know F*** all about football.

Cheer up - England will definately qualify.

by **puroresu** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:26 am

lol at England. Really makes me laugh watching this bunch of overrated players try and play football. Once again the Manager gets the blame when in reality the players are not good enough. Granted England should be beating Israel however they will never reach the pinnacle of world football with the players they have.

People say "Play at high tempo like the Prem". Get real. That type of 100mph football does not win International games. The only player for me that looks composed is Owen Hargreaves. Why? Because he was brought up on a slower type of football where putting the foot on the ball and passing it is the norm. England need more players playing abroad if they want to improve. You need more players to get a broader horizon of how football is played as at the moment they only know one way. Exciting that way maybe however its not the best way to win at International Football.

Remember the Spain friendly. First 10 mins England flew out the blocks. High energy levels and excitement. After Spain wethered the storm they just passed the ball around England and were comfortable.

20 years ago people were saying "we must improve on technique and use of the ball". 20 year later people are saying the same thing. You cant teach kids at 17 year old as then its too late. At 9 and 10 kids have to be taught how to use the ball properley and intelligently.

England players believe there own hype. The squad is full of ego's who believe they are that good or 'World Class'. People may say the reason they all stay in the prem is due to wages but thats BS. The real reason is only a small few actually interest the top European sides. The majority of them dont have the technique to play in Europe.

I dont know if England will qualify. Still have to play Russia twice. They have Hiddink in charge and if anyone can get them through its him.

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:27 am

Are we that over rated tho? look at the top teams in the premiership and how they fair in the champions league, the elite of europe... us, manure and cheatski all through to 1/4 finals. between us we have a fair few of the england squad...so its not ability thats the problem...

by **dawson99** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:31 am

robbo on bbc sports sums it upperfectly:

Cheer up, Robbo, you're in a pub." That's what my mate Tony Thompson said to me after I witnessed England's worst performance yet under Smiley Steve. Four pints and a lamb madras later, the depression remained. Never have beer and curry failed to cheer me before.

Israel were dreadful. And we drew against them. (Therefore we are dreadful.)

I suppose you couldn't really argue with McClaren's selection - but I will.

Lampard? No. No more. Gerrard in the centre, Lennon on the right, Barry on the left (or Downing) and Frank Junior back home in Lampard Towers.

Phil Neville? No. Phil is like some sort of celebrity relative who gets in to all the big parties cos his brother's in a boy band. Micah at right back. Wea at right back. My cat at right-back, just not Phil Neville.

Nevertheless, the team McClaren put out should still have been good enough to thump the opposition. Except we never looked like scoring.

Rooney was the same hairy little herbert that growled and grimaced his way through the World Cup but we had nowt up front save the threat of a rampaging Jamie Carragher! Carragher was our biggest threat! You go into battle and your most dangerous weapon is the bloke who digs the trenches!

There's only one conclusion to draw. The gaffer. He's hopeless. He's done his best this week to rally the troops, to instil a bit of confidence and - key word here - PASSION. If that's our boys being passionate then I fear for their marriages.

Of course, it all started so well. The axing of the mighty Becks seemed a great idea to me. The team McClaren inherited was more Beckham's than Eriksson's. Ditch him and there was a chance to shake things up a bit.

But the truth is the new man is as spineless as the old. Rooney and Lampard didn't deserve the full 90 minutes but you knew McClaren wouldn't dare upset the dear little hearts.

You also knew damn well a Fergie or a Mourinho wouldn't have hesitated to bench the big name blunderers. And those players know it too. In a way it must be a bit confusing for the poor lambs when they leave the stewardship of a charismatic overlord like Fergie or Jose or Wenger and get bombarded by a touchy-feely grinning jessie like Steve.

We all saw a disaster looming when he was appointed (5th choice at best). I should've said more at the time but I'm like the rest of you blind optimists out there. I thought give the bloke a chance, he's English, he knows the set-up, he's been with Sven so he'll know what not to do.

But McClaren is a born number two. Strangely his assistant, Tel, is a born number one. Perhaps the FA would like to explain this square peg/round hole employment policy. But wait! Swap them over and we night have a chance.

Don't sack McClaren because as we know, in this country, if an extremely-well paid boss oversees abject failure, he is handsomely rewarded for his incompetence. Venables can take charge and if we qualify - HA! - all well and good.

Tel'll be off to some perma-tanned retreat with Des Lynam and Dale Winton and the FA can get on with the job of finding a real manager who might tell his underperforming superstars where to get off.

The irony is that bloke's name is, and always was, Guus Hiddink - and it's his Russian team who will most likely put the final nail in England's Euro coffin.

by **tommycockles** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:49 am

Nicely said and completely true. McLaren needs to make the tough decisions and actually put out a team and not a load of indivduals. Lamps should be on the bench, we should have wingers and wing-backs who actually play in that position for their clubs and a mgr who can actually command some respect. All bar Downing have no reason to respect Mclaren other than for the power he's been given by the FA. We need a mgr who can actually inspire a team, not just pick 11 players and send them out without any ideas. Mclaren was never going to do any better than Sven so why bother. Either pick a mgr who alrady has respect or a mgr who will demand it- not some flowery fat version of SVen who thinks we're better than we are. All the comments about us not taking our chances??! What chances were those- I must have been watching the wrong game!

While they're at it they should put Terry on the bench and pick Jamie as he's far better and actually seemed to care about winning!! I actually found myself wanting Israel to score towards the end as i'd rather be out than play pi.ss poor footie like we are!

by **Big Niall** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:13 pm

I agree with puroresu . England should be beating teams like Israel and qualify for tournaments but the players are not good enough to win anything. England have never travelled to a tournament and reached a final. The only quarter final they ever won abroad in a WC was Cameroon.

The English game is really exciting but not based on technique and more English need to play abroad if England ever wish to match Germany/Italy/Brazil etc

by **passenmove** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:50 pm

I have agreed with most comments but why do we have the best league in the world yet our own national side play a slow unattentive game compared to others?

Ok some teams up there performances when they play us but as a footballing nation we SHOULD be beating teams like Israel, Macedonia even Croatia for that matter.

International football is tactically a different game most of the time depending on opponents but while we have a fast physical and entertaining game in the PL how about adopting a similar philosophy on an international level? Yes I understand that sometimes this isnt possible especially while Mclaren is in charge (IMHO he shouldnt be in the hotseat) but again most times we have played a fast physical competetive international teams havent been able to deal with us. Our form hasnt helped recently and its about time some of our more experienced players pulled there fingers out and give the same commitment they do for their league sides (with a couple of exceptions)

Here's an interesting scenario:

What if the current england side was a team in the prem?

by **puroresu** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:56 pm

passenmove wrote:I have agreed with most comments but why do we have the best league in the world yet our own national side play a slow unattentive game compared to others?

Ok some teams up there performances when they play us but as a footballing nation we SHOULD be beating teams like Israel, Macedonia even Croatia for that matter.

International football is tactically a different game most of the time depending on opponents but while we have a fast physical and entertaining game in the PL how about adopting a similar philosophy on an international level? Yes I understand that sometimes this isnt possible especially while Mclaren is in charge (IMHO he shouldnt be in the hotseat) but again most times we have played a fast physical competetive international teams havent been able to deal with us. Our form hasnt helped recently and its about time some of our more experienced players pulled there fingers out and give the same commitment they do for their league sides (with a couple of exceptions)

Here's an interesting scenario:

What if the current england side was a team in the prem?

Premiership football isnt based on posession. Giving the ball away in the prem in most games for the top 4 isnt much of a problem as it usally is given back to them quickly. At International level against the top sides u need to keep the ball or u get punished. How many times do u see England when playing against a top side keep posession for long periods? It doesnt happen. They give it away cheaply and then have to work harder to get it back. They then rely on grit and spirit to get them through and not technical ability.

In theory high tempo prem style seems a winner but in reality it wouldnt work v the top sides.

I support scotland and we beat Georgia on saturday 2-1. Good result, keeps us top of group. However its worrying to think that technically Georgia had the better players. Why is that? Something is totally wrong at grass roots.

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