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by **azriahmad** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:24 am

Can't argue much against Ronaldinho getting the award because he has been outstanding in a Barca team that won La Liga and played ao much attacking football this year. It was his award last year that is more questionable because Tehiry Henry was really on fire that time and was instrumental in Arsenal winning the EPL and going unbeaten in the league despite their poor CL record.

I bet that had Liverpool win the EPL title, Gerrard would definitely be in the top 3.

As to where Roanldinho is as a football legend, he has still got some more achievements to do before he can be said to be as good as Maradonna ot Pele or any of the past greats. Too early days yet and the modern press, with so much media exposure available, tend to go way overboard in their praise or otherwise to modern sportsmen. Maradonna's impact on a world cup tournament, for a single man's feat and influence in matches throughout the competition, has yet to be matched in recent times IMHO. Sure, he cheated against England in the QF but his goals and contributions to Argentina made most of the difference for them. Pele had a distinguished world cup run not in one finals but three. These are the kind of impact levels Ronaldinho has to make to be considered in the same breath as these legends.

by **Lando_Griffin** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 4:49 am

Exactly.

by **Kukilon** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:12 am

He is far better than Pele or Maradonna if you compare to what competition they had back then. Ronaldinho will be a legend in 20-30 years.

by **azriahmad** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:25 am

They played in a different era than Ronaldinho today.

In 1966, I reckon half of Portugal's team would have been sent off for the atrocious horror tackles they dished out to the Brazillians. I remembered seeing an image of Pele being carried off by 2 people after being brutally kicked one time too many and one was a deliberate kick against his shin!

Today's defenders may be more tactically adept and are more accomplished athletes but if they's try 10% of the tackles the defenders got away with then, they'd be sent off. Even Maradonna was subjected to a lot of brutal punishment. Today, at best, Ronny would get a hard shove or kicked around the ankles, a lot milder than the brutal days of past!

by **darwisigila** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:29 am

zidane........watching he play is like watching a ballerina.

by **Sabre** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:35 pm

Today's defenders may be more tactically adept and are more accomplished athletes but if they's try 10% of the tackles the defenders got away with then, they'd be sent off. Even Maradonna was subjected to a lot of brutal punishment. Today, at best, Ronny would get a hard shove or kicked around the ankles, a lot milder than the brutal days of past!

Except you play against Essien, that is. I think what you say is true. Some of the images that could be seen in the seventies/ eighties with brutal tackles and refs that looked somewhere else with no tv cameras to witness it. In that sense, we've improved a lot.

I don't mention Pele, because I haven't seen but videos of him, whereas in Maradona's case I've seen him playing.

by **Ace Ventura** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:38 pm

Ronaldinho is 25.

If by the time he is 35 people dont view him in a similar bracket to Pele and Maradona i would be astonished.

He hasnt set a world cup alight yet like the others, but lets just wait and see what happens in Germany, the form he has been in for 2 years he will take the tournament by storm.

by **Huck** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:27 pm

Lampard?

You have to be joking?

He's the most overated player ever.[quote]

More than Beckham??? ...don´t think so...

by **Anfield rapper** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:37 pm

I honestly think ronaldinho is one of the greatest. In my opinion some of his skill is on par with Maradona for how easily he goes round people. In that game against Real Madrid he was awesome, different class to everyone else on that pitch. Even the Real Madrid fans had to stand up and aplaud his last goal.

by **Sabre** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 3:37 pm

Well, I'm not a Becks supporter.

I thought he was a posh guy with a pretty face and normal footballing. But the fact is, that even though he hasn't shined in the free kicks as he used to, he's been playing a lot of minutes this years with that team of well known starts. He takes the corners well and do other important parts of the game pretty well.

Right now he's playing with his back injured. I value that. It's a pity in the last weeks he seems out of his mind, and as a proof of that, I put some nasty tackles I wasn't used to see on him, the red card in Anoeta, and the insults to the Osasuna guy, Lopez (future star imho, he's a young gerrard, *rare* to spot one of those), because he was ugly and all that. That's the bad part about him

But I defo respect him as a footballer. He's a great footballer.

by **Reinas No.1 Fan** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 2:59 am

Its a waste of time for the mere fact that frank lampard is in there ahead of some fantastic and better players.

Kaka
Shevchenko
Gerrard

Lampard is nothing compared to these guys

Lampard cant:

dribble
tackle
pass long
captain
lift a team
run fast

Lampard can:

eat the hottest curry in bradford
shoot the ball at defenders (which then deflect in)
take penelties
shoot from long range

now Gerrard can do all of those (except take a penelty and eat the curry

)

by **The_Rock** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:59 am

Anfield rapper wrote:I honestly think ronaldinho is one of the greatest. In my opinion some of his skill is on par with Maradona for how easily he goes round people. In that game against Real Madrid he was awesome, different class to everyone else on that pitch. Even the Real Madrid fans had to stand up and aplaud his last goal.

pls don't compare ronaldinho with maradona......

Maradona is the greatest player ever

On the other hand, ronaldinho is sort of on the same level as zidane, figo.....(ie...one tier below). No comparison.

by **tiki** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:24 am

to say that Gilbert is better than lampard is an injustice... does not forget that it was considered 1 of the 3 better players of... the world. Those operated by remote control passes... the claw... the impressive regularity... then say why are that Barcelona wanted it? we just go to be and not to be too much radical.

by **Mikz** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:44 pm

I havent seen very much of Ronaldinho, But to every man ,woman and child he seems to be THE BEST in the world right now. If hes that much better than Thierry Henry,then he must be one helluva player. I just cant see Lampard on that level.I think st mike summed him up comparing him with david platt

he never does much then pops up with a goal.

by **Erica** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 11:44 pm

Just watch this:
http://youtube.com/watch.php?v=aRHk8ol0vTw

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