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[Benny The Noon]

Sorry, I didnt know that Bill Shankly came to Liverpool in 1959 and was a success straight away and made us great overnight
I thought it took him years to win titles and lay foundations?
You obviously know something I dont. Maybe some of you could edit this and put in the facts:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Shankly#Liverpool

My bad

No one said anything about Shankly doing it overnight so why would we need to edit anything ?

If you want to compare the two then knock yourself out.

I believe there is no comparison at this moment - he hasn't earned the right been mentioned in the same sentence as the most amazing man to ever grace our club. He has done nothing at all.

Neither did Shankly for years you brain dead pr'ick. You can come over all sanctimonious and righteous as you want
I dont care what you believe or whether you think hes earned anything, and I certainly dont need your permission to do anything so fu'ck off bell end
With respect
Thanks

Shall we compare Hodgson to Shanks as well ? What about Houllier and Rafa or Souness. In fact every manager that does nothing for years can be compared to Shanks.

I can't believe the embarrassing levels people go to justify mediocrity !! Comparing BR to Shanks is fecking laughable beyond believe.

Next you will be comparing Aspas to Cally

Ill let you carry on with the insults whilst you embarrass yourself further

[Benny The Noon]

So he came out and denied it. Ha that's fitting. Hope it planted the seed of doubt into Moyes's head.

I agree we will have to wait and see how the players react to real pressure but so far they have handled what's put in front of them. We have also considerably strengthened our defence and added brute strength in Sakho. If the mentality is right and the talent is there then our hopes for resilience in the team are in good shape.

Currently our defence is in good shape as I mentioned but so is our attack---Suarez----Sturridge----Coutinho for me is one of the most potent in the league based on form.
Our Midfield is made up of Stevie G Lucas and Henderson, and if Lucas can regain some of the form pre-injury, we are in good shape there also. We are a bit light in quality back-up for those players but if injuries can stay at bay we have a starting 11 good enough to beat any team in the league. Add to that the good form the team is in currently and you could have the ingredients for a very juicy season.

Apologies missed this inbetween the laughable BR/Shank comparison

The big problem is the midfield - ignoring the back up the the midfield - the actual 3 aren't a good enough package. There is a few elements they lack - power , strength and creativity. It's our weak area and could prove a big Achilles heel for us. They need to provide the protection to the back four as well as provide the ammunition to the front three - can they do that ? They have energy and are dynamic but just seems to be lacking

[Thommo's perm]

People need to accept that we have got off to a great start but that we will have a dip or two before the end of the season. I personally hope we can capitalise when other teams have theirs. I firmly believe the mancs will win fu'ck all this season and that chelsea, city, arsenal and spurs are our main opposition. We can definately get 4th or even 3rd, but we must be consistent and take our chances. With Suarez back we will have a greater threat up front and far more firepower.
Unlike some I, like other true reds, dont believe our manager is mediocre and he will prove it this season and hopefully shove the doubters words down their throats
Go B-Rod!

[Hustler 2]

Rodgers has come at a time we were in crisis. He is a celt who has restored the work ethic and team spirit. He has passion and drive and is 100% committed to making LFC great again. Is any of that un-Shanklylike?
How do you think hes not like Shankly?

You got me there Thommo! Lets's erect those new Brendan Rodgers gates at Anfield, and make a statue of Brendan to put next to the shanks one! Do it now!
       

Sarcasm aside, you still havent told me how hes not like Shankly?
Youre not like the other pr'ick are you, not answering questions and talking sh'ite?

Because Rodgers spouts a few clever words, hes shanks is he? Shanks rebuilt the team + won a few trophies, + installed the right ethic. Rodgers has destroyed our squad and filled it with mediocre hasbeens, although we started well, I guaruntee we dont finish top 5. Not with that squad. Shanks managed 15 years, but rodgers wont get 3/4/5 years if we dont get top 4. He wont get it. Just coz they both managed small clubs doesnt mean they are alike.

[Benny The Noon]

People need to accept nothing - people are able to form their own judgements and opinions and people are able to see the whole picture as opposed to just three games.

What we all hope for doesnt always match what actually happens.

I think some people forget where we finished last season and how far behind we actually were from those other teams - not at one time did we even get near them the whole of the season.

I hope some are prepared for what happens when we finish where we will realistically prob finish.

[Hustler 2]

I think some people forget where we finished last season and how far behind we actually were from those other teams - not at one time did we even get near them the whole of the season.
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Yes, and who did we buy in the summer to bolster the squad, and get us up the table? Zilch! Victor.moses on loan. Whoopee. And a few defenders ive never heard of. Aspas ive never heard of etc etc. Yawn.

[Thommo's perm]

Hustler2:
"Because Rodgers spouts a few clever words, hes shanks is he? Shanks rebuilt the team + won a few trophies, + installed the right ethic. Rodgers has destroyed our squad and filled it with mediocre hasbeens, although we started well, I guaruntee we dont finish top 5. Not with that squad. Shanks managed 15 years, but rodgers wont get 3/4/5 years if we dont get top 4. He wont get it. Just coz they both managed small clubs doesnt mean they are alike."

Thanks for your response
I totally understand why people bristle with indignation and fury when I compare Rodgers with Shankly. The man was a living legend and set the foundations for our total dominance for decades. However, he didnt do it overnight and he had to fight to bring basic principles along with passion and know-how.
I have to correct you though, I never said he was Shanks, I said he is like Shanks. People fall into the trap (not mine) of thinking I am comparing Rodgers with the succsessful and domineering force that Shanks eventually became. Why would I? How could I? I would have to be as thick as benny the beaut to even consider that our current manager is half the man that Shanks ended up becoming.
No, I use the analogy to take the positives and comparisons in the two managers tenure. Again I have to disagree that Rodgers has "destroyed our squad and filled it with mediocre hasbeens". I actually havent got a clue what you mean by that as I see a squad that has been getting better month on month? We have seen an increase in team spirit and confidence and a group of people who are working together and singing from the same hymn sheet. That is down to Rodgers, like it was down to Shankly when he first came.
You have given another comparison with him coming from a small club. Shankly wasnt everyones choice and took years to get it right, and maybe Rodgers wont be given the same amount of time. But thats more down to the age we live in than his inability to get it right.
I dont know if he will be as successful as Shanks was, probably not as Shanks broke the mould, but he has the same drive and work ethic and, like Shankly will have to prove himself to the doubters. I honestly dont see the harm in the comparison, in fact I think people should embrace it and get behind the concept so it will galvanise the club and make us stronger.
But, as I said, I understand why people dont share my view

[tadhger09]

People need to accept nothing - people are able to form their own judgements and opinions and people are able to see the whole picture as opposed to just three games.

What we all hope for doesnt always match what actually happens.

I think some people forget where we finished last season and how far behind we actually were from those other teams - not at one time did we even get near them the whole of the season.

I hope some are prepared for what happens when we finish where we will realistically prob finish.

The reason we did so poorly in the league last season was because we got off to a mare, our league was over at Christmas. At the risk of repeating myself our form since then has improved dramatically, not over 3 games but over that whole period of time and the team has played decent stuff and has done exceptionally well in getting results on the board.

I can only speak for myself here but when I say there are signs of improvement  from what I am seeing, I am talking about from Jan and not just the last 3 league games.

[Benny The Noon]

Yes there are signs of improvement - no one gas said there isn't or hasn't been any but it still doesn't change what I see with the squads and the position we will end up with at the end of the season.

It's great playing well when there is nothing but pride to play for - that's what we were doing from Jan. When Kenny first took over we had a great second half of the season but then looked what happened. If BR continues that form into next Jan and in amongst the top 4 then maybe we can start to dream about CL. We have been the masters of playing well without pressure. We could just as easily lose our next three games and then the picture turns around 180. We have had so many good half seasons over the years it's about time we got one whole season.

It's why I asked the question - how long does BR get ?

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

I was thinking about constructing a thread specifically for those who want to celebrate our being top of the table right now ,but then I realised
that certain posters would sit on it and squeeze the life out of it with their first post .....No real shelf-life in positive threads .

[devaney]

Hustler2:
"Because Rodgers spouts a few clever words, hes shanks is he? Shanks rebuilt the team + won a few trophies, + installed the right ethic. Rodgers has destroyed our squad and filled it with mediocre hasbeens, although we started well, I guaruntee we dont finish top 5. Not with that squad. Shanks managed 15 years, but rodgers wont get 3/4/5 years if we dont get top 4. He wont get it. Just coz they both managed small clubs doesnt mean they are alike."

Thanks for your response
I totally understand why people bristle with indignation and fury when I compare Rodgers with Shankly. The man was a living legend and set the foundations for our total dominance for decades. However, he didnt do it overnight and he had to fight to bring basic principles along with passion and know-how.
I have to correct you though, I never said he was Shanks, I said he is like Shanks. People fall into the trap (not mine) of thinking I am comparing Rodgers with the succsessful and domineering force that Shanks eventually became. Why would I? How could I? I would have to be as thick as benny the beaut to even consider that our current manager is half the man that Shanks ended up becoming.
No, I use the analogy to take the positives and comparisons in the two managers tenure. Again I have to disagree that Rodgers has "destroyed our squad and filled it with mediocre hasbeens". I actually havent got a clue what you mean by that as I see a squad that has been getting better month on month? We have seen an increase in team spirit and confidence and a group of people who are working together and singing from the same hymn sheet. That is down to Rodgers, like it was down to Shankly when he first came.
You have given another comparison with him coming from a small club. Shankly wasnt everyones choice and took years to get it right, and maybe Rodgers wont be given the same amount of time. But thats more down to the age we live in than his inability to get it right.
I dont know if he will be as successful as Shanks was, probably not as Shanks broke the mould, but he has the same drive and work ethic and, like Shankly will have to prove himself to the doubters. I honestly dont see the harm in the comparison, in fact I think people should embrace it and get behind the concept so it will galvanise the club and make us stronger.
But, as I said, I understand why people dont share my view

Great post Thommo. I honestly think some people are only happy if they can wallow in misery. I find it amazing that anybody can be so stupid as to consider that BR and the team were under no pressure during the second half of last season. It's just complete fkg nonsense. And then you've got Hustler suggesting that BR has destroyed the squad. Intelligent debate this isn't.

[Thommo's perm]

Hustler2:
"Because Rodgers spouts a few clever words, hes shanks is he? Shanks rebuilt the team + won a few trophies, + installed the right ethic. Rodgers has destroyed our squad and filled it with mediocre hasbeens, although we started well, I guaruntee we dont finish top 5. Not with that squad. Shanks managed 15 years, but rodgers wont get 3/4/5 years if we dont get top 4. He wont get it. Just coz they both managed small clubs doesnt mean they are alike."

Thanks for your response
I totally understand why people bristle with indignation and fury when I compare Rodgers with Shankly. The man was a living legend and set the foundations for our total dominance for decades. However, he didnt do it overnight and he had to fight to bring basic principles along with passion and know-how.
I have to correct you though, I never said he was Shanks, I said he is like Shanks. People fall into the trap (not mine) of thinking I am comparing Rodgers with the succsessful and domineering force that Shanks eventually became. Why would I? How could I? I would have to be as thick as benny the beaut to even consider that our current manager is half the man that Shanks ended up becoming.
No, I use the analogy to take the positives and comparisons in the two managers tenure. Again I have to disagree that Rodgers has "destroyed our squad and filled it with mediocre hasbeens". I actually havent got a clue what you mean by that as I see a squad that has been getting better month on month? We have seen an increase in team spirit and confidence and a group of people who are working together and singing from the same hymn sheet. That is down to Rodgers, like it was down to Shankly when he first came.
You have given another comparison with him coming from a small club. Shankly wasnt everyones choice and took years to get it right, and maybe Rodgers wont be given the same amount of time. But thats more down to the age we live in than his inability to get it right.
I dont know if he will be as successful as Shanks was, probably not as Shanks broke the mould, but he has the same drive and work ethic and, like Shankly will have to prove himself to the doubters. I honestly dont see the harm in the comparison, in fact I think people should embrace it and get behind the concept so it will galvanise the club and make us stronger.
But, as I said, I understand why people dont share my view

Great post Thommo. I honestly think some people are only happy if they can wallow in misery. I find it amazing that anybody can be so stupid as to consider that BR and the team were under no pressure during the second half of last season. It's just complete fkg nonsense. And then you've got Hustler suggesting that BR has destroyed the squad. Intelligent debate this isn't.

Calling our manager mediocre and our team hasbeens saddens me. If the people who said it are reds, dont they realise what theyre doing? Dont they realise how important it is to be supporting the club rather than looking for ways to criticise and attack?
Im not naive enough to believe we have a team full of world class players, but to me, if you pull on a red shirt then you get support. Unless and until you prove youre not worthy to wear it. Like Downing for example
We have a good squad with a great blend of youth and experience yet some are happier to highlight the negatives. Why? Who knows.
They must get pleasure from it though because they continue to do it, and you dont do things unless you enjoy them...

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

POSITIVE POSTS

THIS CAN ONLY MEAN ONE THING
BENNY'S GONE TO BED     

[Kenny Kan]

Every f.ucking thread.

[Benny The Noon]

Hustler2:
"Because Rodgers spouts a few clever words, hes shanks is he? Shanks rebuilt the team + won a few trophies, + installed the right ethic. Rodgers has destroyed our squad and filled it with mediocre hasbeens, although we started well, I guaruntee we dont finish top 5. Not with that squad. Shanks managed 15 years, but rodgers wont get 3/4/5 years if we dont get top 4. He wont get it. Just coz they both managed small clubs doesnt mean they are alike."

Thanks for your response
I totally understand why people bristle with indignation and fury when I compare Rodgers with Shankly. The man was a living legend and set the foundations for our total dominance for decades. However, he didnt do it overnight and he had to fight to bring basic principles along with passion and know-how.
I have to correct you though, I never said he was Shanks, I said he is like Shanks. People fall into the trap (not mine) of thinking I am comparing Rodgers with the succsessful and domineering force that Shanks eventually became. Why would I? How could I? I would have to be as thick as benny the beaut to even consider that our current manager is half the man that Shanks ended up becoming.
No, I use the analogy to take the positives and comparisons in the two managers tenure. Again I have to disagree that Rodgers has "destroyed our squad and filled it with mediocre hasbeens". I actually havent got a clue what you mean by that as I see a squad that has been getting better month on month? We have seen an increase in team spirit and confidence and a group of people who are working together and singing from the same hymn sheet. That is down to Rodgers, like it was down to Shankly when he first came.
You have given another comparison with him coming from a small club. Shankly wasnt everyones choice and took years to get it right, and maybe Rodgers wont be given the same amount of time. But thats more down to the age we live in than his inability to get it right.
I dont know if he will be as successful as Shanks was, probably not as Shanks broke the mould, but he has the same drive and work ethic and, like Shankly will have to prove himself to the doubters. I honestly dont see the harm in the comparison, in fact I think people should embrace it and get behind the concept so it will galvanise the club and make us stronger.
But, as I said, I understand why people dont share my view

Great post Thommo. I honestly think some people are only happy if they can wallow in misery. I find it amazing that anybody can be so stupid as to consider that BR and the team were under no pressure during the second half of last season. It's just complete fkg nonsense. And then you've got Hustler suggesting that BR has destroyed the squad. Intelligent debate this isn't.

Calling our manager mediocre and our team hasbeens saddens me. If the people who said it are reds, dont they realise what theyre doing? Dont they realise how important it is to be supporting the club rather than looking for ways to criticise and attack?
Im not naive enough to believe we have a team full of world class players, but to me, if you pull on a red shirt then you get support. Unless and until you prove youre not worthy to wear it. Like Downing for example
We have a good squad with a great blend of youth and experience yet some are happier to highlight the negatives. Why? Who knows.
They must get pleasure from it though because they continue to do it, and you dont do things unless you enjoy them...

This is a forum - it isn't the stadium whilst the game is being played. Forums are for open discussion where people should be able to be critical or give praise in equal measure - this has zero effect on any game.

You show a perfect example of it - you praise certain players then are critical about Downing. I'm sure if you read through every player thread and manager thread you will find posts from many people being critical.

Why is it ok for you to be critical about Downing yet Hustler can't be critical about BR ? They achieved the same results last season ? Did Downing ( or any other player you have criticised ) not deserve the support you demand from Hustler on here ? He pulled a red shirt on just like the others ?

If you are going to demand that no one is critical about anyone associated with the team then you yourself need to be whiter than white but we know that isn't true.