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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:22 pm

heimdall » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:14 pm wrote:
Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:32 pm wrote:Valerenga got beat 8 nil by Barce minus all their stars.

Pre season is there for fitness - the real stuff starts in 8 days against Stoke - it's what happens then that matters.

Currently we don't have a prayer to get a CL because our squad isn't anywhere near good enough - that will become clear soon enough


And we could easily have won 8-0 as well but for their keeper have a sensational game and us lettingin a sloppy goal. BTW no idea if they played or not but most of the BArca stars travelled to Oslo, would have been odd if they didn't play at least a bit


It's pre season - it has minimal bearing on the Prem.

There are still 5 squads out there better than ours currently
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Postby heimdall » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:32 pm

Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 3:22 pm wrote:
heimdall » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:14 pm wrote:
Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:32 pm wrote:Valerenga got beat 8 nil by Barce minus all their stars.

Pre season is there for fitness - the real stuff starts in 8 days against Stoke - it's what happens then that matters.

Currently we don't have a prayer to get a CL because our squad isn't anywhere near good enough - that will become clear soon enough


And we could easily have won 8-0 as well but for their keeper have a sensational game and us lettingin a sloppy goal. BTW no idea if they played or not but most of the BArca stars travelled to Oslo, would have been odd if they didn't play at least a bit


It's pre season - it has minimal bearing on the Prem.

There are still 5 squads out there better than ours currently


For me there are 2 stand out squads, Man City and Chelsea. Man Utd really aren't that strong and it will be very interesting to see how they get on this season with Moyes. Spurs have an ok squad but without Bale last season they looked very ordinary whereas we tended to play better or about the same without Suarez. Arsenal are the unknown to me, they flatter to deceive all the time and certainly haven't strengthened yet. We on the other hand now have a better goalkeeper and defence plus we've added a few options to attack. On top of this we have a manager who is growing into the role and the team seem to be more compfortbale with his tactics, certainly more comfortable than they were at the start of last season.
i therefore think we have a chance at 4th, not saying its guranteed but we have a chance and I do think we will be better than last season.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 4:43 pm

All 5 squads are stronger than ours - the judge of that will be the points gained and the position in the league. Check up the league table from last season to see the gaps to those 5 teams - Spurs , City and Chelsea have strengthened considerably getting top quality into the club and still looking to add with more quality - Man Utd could buy no one and still be miles ahead of us and Arsenal will be looking to add quality if they don't get Suarez.
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:20 pm

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1731 ... r-the-reds?

Liverpool: Why Spurs Signing Etienne Capoue Is a Miss for the Reds

The fact of the matter is that Liverpool have no true cover for sole holding midfielder Lucas Leiva. With Tottenham set to purchase Toulouse enforcer Etienne Capoue for only £8.6 million, per Simon Jones of the Daily Mail, Brendan Rodgers missed the chance at a bargain signing that offers needed cover at three positions.

First, let's start with Liverpool's current midfield.

Aside from the aforementioned Lucas, Liverpool have only Joe Allen to fill the holding role in Rodgers' 4-3-3. Anyone watching Liverpool last season knows that whatever his merits, Allen was largely unproductive, regardless of where he was positioned.

In particular, Allen was especially weak in the air, with his 0.4 victorious aerial duels per game good enough to tie for 89th place in the EPL and far behind the man starting ahead of him (1.8). That just won't do.

With zero goals and zero assists in 21 league starts for Liverpool, he has shown little to justify his fee, which brings me to 25-year-old French international Etienne Capoue.

Capoue's last campaign could not have differed further from Allen's. For one, Capoue excels in the air. In fact, the only Premier League midfielder to average more victorious aerial duels was Marouane Fellaini, and he spent much of last season as the focal point of Everton's attack.

However, it is Capoue's offensive contribution that sets him apart from other holding midfielders.

From the holding position in Toulouse's 4-1-4-1 formation—which, in attack, can resemble a 4-3-3—Capoue managed seven goals and three assists. Far more than Lucas (zero goals, one assist), or his new teammate, Sandro (one goal, two assists).

Or you could compare his seven goals last season to longtime Chelsea holder Jon Obi Mikel, who has not scored a single goal in 182 league matches.

He was also extremely consistent, starting 34 league matches, winning six MotM awards and averaging an overall WhoScored? rating of 7.5—second only to Zlatan Ibrahimovic in Ligue 1.

Finally, Capoue is positionally quite versatile, able to line up as a central midfielder and central defender in addition to defensive midfielder. In fact, his offensive capabilities to me scream potential box-to-box midfielder—another role for which Liverpool possess few options, namely Jordan Henderson.

With all that in mind, let's compare fees:

Joe Allen: £16,720,000
Etienne Capoue: £8,600,000
So for £16,720,000, Liverpool attained barely acceptable cover at two positions. Meanwhile, for £8.6 million, Spurs have rather talented cover at three positions.


For me, Capoue is a strong, versatile midfielder who would have gone a long way to strengthening Liverpool's midfield while Henderson and Allen (hopefully) continue to develop.

I consider this a missed opportunity for any team with a lack of depth at holding midfield, but particularly Liverpool, given how clearly underwhelming Lucas' understudy proved to be last season
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Postby Redman in wales » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:35 pm

^ Capoue is also a miss for spurs in a weird way. There's strength in depth but there could result in some unhappy campers in this lot:

Bale
Dembele
Paulinho
Sandro
Holtby
Sigurdsson
Lennon
Chadli
+ Parker/Townsend/Huddlestone/Livermore who may be sold

Capoue would make the 13th first team midfielder in their squad

That said, he's obviously a great player - but surely even without the last 3, some of those midfielders wont even make the bench
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Postby Doeboy » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:16 pm

Redman in wales » Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:35 pm wrote:^ Capoue is also a miss for spurs in a weird way. There's strength in depth but there could result in some unhappy campers in this lot:

Bale
Dembele
Paulinho
Sandro
Holtby
Sigurdsson
Lennon
Chadli
+ Parker/Townsend/Huddlestone/Livermore who may be sold

Capoue would make the 13th first team midfielder in their squad

That said, he's obviously a great player - but surely even without the last 3, some of those midfielders wont even make the bench


Doubt they will have all that lot come the end of the window. Definitely seem to be one of the busier teams in the league in terms of  signings although i think a lot of changes at one time can sometimes work against you
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:19 pm

Think Townsend and Livermore going on loan , also possibly Sigurdsson. Sandro is out for a couple months and would expect Huddlestone or Parker to leave
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Postby damjan193 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:40 pm

Guys, forget about a DM. We're not "missing out" on DM's because we're not after one and we never were. We should hope that the club are serious about bringing in a new CB and another attacking player (Costa, Eriksen etc.)
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Postby damjan193 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:45 pm

As for Spurs, I don't think that they have too many midfielders at all. I think they have depth in their team now, with a strong starting 11 and a strong bench too. I guess this is how their midfield would look:


                                     Paulinho/Capue     Dembele/Holtby

                       Lennon           Dempsey/Siggurdson       Chadli/Townsend 


Livermore, Parker and Huddlestone will probably be sold. And Bale of course.
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Postby Doeboy » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:53 pm

damjan193 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:45 pm wrote:As for Spurs, I don't think that they have too many midfielders at all. I think they have depth in their team now, with a strong starting 11 and a strong bench too. I guess this is how their midfield would look:


                                     Paulinho/Capue     Dembele/Holtby

                       Lennon           Dempsey/Siggurdson       Chadli/Townsend 


Livermore, Parker and Huddlestone will probably be sold. And Bale of course.


They sold Dempsey
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Postby damjan193 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:58 pm

Doeboy » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:53 pm wrote:
damjan193 » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:45 pm wrote:As for Spurs, I don't think that they have too many midfielders at all. I think they have depth in their team now, with a strong starting 11 and a strong bench too. I guess this is how their midfield would look:


                                     Paulinho/Capue     Dembele/Holtby

                       Lennon           Dempsey/Siggurdson       Chadli/Townsend 


Livermore, Parker and Huddlestone will probably be sold. And Bale of course.


They sold Dempsey

Didn't know that. I guess they'll move Dembele further forward. All the more reasons to sign a new DM.
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Postby Redman in wales » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:59 pm

Valencia left-back Aly Cissokho confirms he has agreed personal terms with #LFC but says both clubs have to decide on permanent or loan deal
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:59 pm

And you forgot Sandro , and Bale is far from sold yet. Wouldn't surprise me to see him stay another season - that could help us get rid of Suarez to Madrid.
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Postby Kenny Kan » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:01 pm

Redman in wales » Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:59 pm wrote:Valencia left-back Aly Cissokho confirms he has agreed personal terms with #LFC but says both clubs have to decide on permanent or loan deal


Is he any good?
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Postby Benny The Noon » Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:01 pm

Redman in wales » Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:59 pm wrote:Valencia left-back Aly Cissokho confirms he has agreed personal terms with #LFC but says both clubs have to decide on permanent or loan deal


Can't understand the deal - left back certainly wasnt an area I would deem crucial to be looked at. Cissokho is ok - decent player but not really inspiring
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