devaney » Wed May 29, 2013 8:55 am wrote:Thommo - Silly and pathetic on this forum !! What an outrageous thing to say...........
devaney » Wed May 29, 2013 8:07 am wrote:Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 6:57 am wrote:I believe that Carroll won't do anything until he finds out if Newcastle will make a bid - because that's where I think he wants to go regardless of money
And that is exactly the type of behaviour I'm referring to !!!!
Thommo's perm » Wed May 29, 2013 9:38 am wrote:Lets put this thing to rest eh?
KK knew exactly how much we were paying for Carroll. It wasnt a secret, he wasnt forced to take him for that price, and he certainly didnt fight against him coming here. KK wanted us to pay that much and it was payed. End of
To try and absolve him from any responsibility is silly and pathetic
Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 10:23 am wrote:Thommo's perm » Wed May 29, 2013 9:38 am wrote:Lets put this thing to rest eh?
KK knew exactly how much we were paying for Carroll. It wasnt a secret, he wasnt forced to take him for that price, and he certainly didnt fight against him coming here. KK wanted us to pay that much and it was payed. End of
To try and absolve him from any responsibility is silly and pathetic
Kenny had just taken over as manager - Comolli had pretty already sealed the Suarez deal. Torres then put in a request to leave and Comolli said to Kenny that he could get Carroll and Kenny said yes - it's in his autobiography - the manager wasnt responsible for the fees and wages -that was down to the DoF - Comolli. That's why Comolli was employed and that's why he was fired. Kenny didn't do the negotiating in regards the price and fee just as BR doesn't for his signings - that's down to Ayre. That's the make up within most teams.
The manager picks the players - the money men sort out the details
Blame Kenny for saying yes to Carroll but look towards Comolli for the fee and wages
Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 10:18 am wrote:devaney » Wed May 29, 2013 8:07 am wrote:Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 6:57 am wrote:I believe that Carroll won't do anything until he finds out if Newcastle will make a bid - because that's where I think he wants to go regardless of money
And that is exactly the type of behaviour I'm referring to !!!!
Buts it's not all about the money as you are suggesting - unless you don't think it's about the money ?
Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 11:01 am wrote:Read Kennys bio
The budget etc was all down to Comolli - it was going to be working along the lines of Spanish or Italian clubs who leave the financial side to a DoF with the manager having no part in it.
Comolli asked how much and then went to Chelsea and said give us what Newcastle want for Carroll plus £15mil.
Remember Kenny was just there as a caretaker at that time - the budgets were controlled by Comolli.
Ben Patrick » Wed May 29, 2013 10:48 am wrote:Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 10:23 am wrote:Thommo's perm » Wed May 29, 2013 9:38 am wrote:Lets put this thing to rest eh?
KK knew exactly how much we were paying for Carroll. It wasnt a secret, he wasnt forced to take him for that price, and he certainly didnt fight against him coming here. KK wanted us to pay that much and it was payed. End of
To try and absolve him from any responsibility is silly and pathetic
Kenny had just taken over as manager - Comolli had pretty already sealed the Suarez deal. Torres then put in a request to leave and Comolli said to Kenny that he could get Carroll and Kenny said yes - it's in his autobiography - the manager wasnt responsible for the fees and wages -that was down to the DoF - Comolli. That's why Comolli was employed and that's why he was fired. Kenny didn't do the negotiating in regards the price and fee just as BR doesn't for his signings - that's down to Ayre. That's the make up within most teams.
The manager picks the players - the money men sort out the details
Blame Kenny for saying yes to Carroll but look towards Comolli for the fee and wages
I dont buy that for a second and the reason being is surely how much money spent on any player will impact funds available for other players or transfers in the next window etc.
Are you seriously suggesting the conversation was just - we can get Carroll and no mention of how much he would cost and the impact on any future business etc ?
If that is the case its a p!ss poor way of working.
maguskwt » Wed May 29, 2013 3:43 pm wrote:Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 11:01 am wrote:Read Kennys bio
The budget etc was all down to Comolli - it was going to be working along the lines of Spanish or Italian clubs who leave the financial side to a DoF with the manager having no part in it.
Comolli asked how much and then went to Chelsea and said give us what Newcastle want for Carroll plus £15mil.
Remember Kenny was just there as a caretaker at that time - the budgets were controlled by Comolli.
That's a very irresponsible way of doing business and he got fired for it rightfully... Imagine who we could've bought for 35 freakin million! and we go and buy andy freakin carroll! By the way Kenny also didn't do too well with all his purchases, charlie adams, henderson and downing... for like 50 million or so... that's like 85 million, which when used wisely, we could have already build a top 4 team...
However the Carroll purchase was clearly a committee decision baring in mind the time they had to make a decision. It was a pure reaction to the Torres sale. Comolli and Kenny looks for a PL striker they could tempt away on that day.Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 4:29 pm wrote:maguskwt » Wed May 29, 2013 3:43 pm wrote:Benny The Noon » Wed May 29, 2013 11:01 am wrote:Read Kennys bio
The budget etc was all down to Comolli - it was going to be working along the lines of Spanish or Italian clubs who leave the financial side to a DoF with the manager having no part in it.
Comolli asked how much and then went to Chelsea and said give us what Newcastle want for Carroll plus £15mil.
Remember Kenny was just there as a caretaker at that time - the budgets were controlled by Comolli.
That's a very irresponsible way of doing business and he got fired for it rightfully... Imagine who we could've bought for 35 freakin million! and we go and buy andy freakin carroll! By the way Kenny also didn't do too well with all his purchases, charlie adams, henderson and downing... for like 50 million or so... that's like 85 million, which when used wisely, we could have already build a top 4 team...
You would be very surprised how many clubs work that way.
At both Madrid and Barce the manager doesn't get involved in the transfer fees etc
That's where you need a good DOF to be in place and obviously we had Comolli who just spent what was needed to get the player - he did the same at Spurs.
Downing was bought for £20 odd mil because Comolli agreed that price - same with Henderson etc
The choice of players was down to Kenny.
The owners put their trust and belief in Comolli. Why I'm unsure of because his track record wasnt the greatest.
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