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[Basil]

FSG have now owned us for 4 transfer windows, according to my records they spent about £2M (net) in their first window (Jan 11), perhaps £35M (net) last summer, zero Jan 12 and £25M (net) this summer. That's just over £60M (net) with funds from a few on loan players expected to further reduce that figure, they also slashed the wage bill during the last window.

Let's hope they've just been getting our accounts in order and will now push on and strengthen the squad, only time will tell.

[jacdaniel]

There is 2 problems at the club in relation to investment.

1)  FSG won't spend their own money.  This might not matter so much if we were in the CL each season but sadly we're not so we're not brining in nearly enough money.  Without this money, we can't spend as big as we need to to get back to top 4.

2)  We've been wasting any money we do have for years now.  Poulsen, Konchesky, Cole, Carroll, Hendo, Downing, Adam.
Even Borini doesn't seem to be the kinda player that will fire us back to were we want to be.

We've failed miserably at signing players for some time now and we won't improve until we start finding better players.

[LFC1990]

Borini has not played nearly enough games to be judged.

Henderson did play alot of games last year but on the right hand side. Its like putting Messi at CB and saying hes *****

[stmichael]

As I said elsewhere, the real concerns are not on the park, they're off it and the continual messing about we do as a management structure. Having a relatively inexperienced manager with nobody above him with any football background or experience is a huge risk. Continuity and structure are the only two signings that I want.

[Ola Mr Benitez]

As I said elsewhere, the real concerns are not on the park, they're off it and the continual messing about we do as a management structure. Having a relatively inexperienced manager with nobody above him with any football background or experience is a huge risk. Continuity and structure are the only two signings that I want.

I kind of agree with you here.. I think we definately need someone above him but the problem I think is the kind of person required.  Brendan Rogers is his own man and has his own set of beliefs on how football should be played, and I admire that in him.  The person above him, I think, needs to be someone who is prepared to let Brendan do the job and not have a really strong character that would most probably end up in confrontation.  He needs to be an almost fatherly figure who will offer advice and direction.  I have no idea who that is???

[bunglemark2]

As I said elsewhere, the real concerns are not on the park, they're off it and the continual messing about we do as a management structure. Having a relatively inexperienced manager with nobody above him with any football background or experience is a huge risk. Continuity and structure are the only two signings that I want.

  He needs to be an almost fatherly figure who will offer advice and direction. 

I'm sure that post of yours would have been Sigmund Freud's wet dream ! 

[burjennio]

FSG have now owned us for 4 transfer windows, according to my records they spent about £2M (net) in their first window (Jan 11), perhaps £35M (net) last summer, zero Jan 12 and £25M (net) this summer. That's just over £60M (net) with funds from a few on loan players expected to further reduce that figure, they also slashed the wage bill during the last window.

Let's hope they've just been getting our accounts in order and will now push on and strengthen the squad, only time will tell.

Its pretty simple to deduce that after splurging an absolute fortune on utter dross (except for Suarez) over their first year, with money they will never recoup, despite claiming that they would only be targeting players with "resale value" they are being alot more stringent in their purchasing. Who could blame them? Especially when the players Rodgers overpaid for this season again look average at best. With all the talk of bringing in Sturridge and Ince I have to ask the question:

WHO THE F*CK BELIEVES THAT IS THE KIND OF BUSINESS THAT A SIDE TARGETING A RETURN TO THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE SHOULD BE CONDUCTING?

It hasnt been NESV that has been directly at fault for us slipping further and further down the table, it is the person or persons that has been WASTING their money for the last 2 years. I dont see how anyone in their right mind can argue this point. LFC transfer business since January 2011 has been nothing short of shambolic.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

FSG have now owned us for 4 transfer windows, according to my records they spent about £2M (net) in their first window (Jan 11), perhaps £35M (net) last summer, zero Jan 12 and £25M (net) this summer. That's just over £60M (net) with funds from a few on loan players expected to further reduce that figure, they also slashed the wage bill during the last window.

Let's hope they've just been getting our accounts in order and will now push on and strengthen the squad, only time will tell.

Its pretty simple to deduce that after splurging an absolute fortune on utter dross (except for Suarez) over their first year, with money they will never recoup, despite claiming that they would only be targeting players with "resale value" they are being alot more stringent in their purchasing. Who could blame them? Especially when the players Rodgers overpaid for this season again look average at best. With all the talk of bringing in Sturridge and Ince I have to ask the question:

WHO THE F*CK BELIEVES THAT IS THE KIND OF BUSINESS THAT A SIDE TARGETING A RETURN TO THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE SHOULD BE CONDUCTING?

It hasnt been NESV that has been directly at fault for us slipping further and further down the table, it is the person or persons that has been WASTING their money for the last 2 years. I dont see how anyone in their right mind can argue this point. LFC transfer business since January 2011 has been nothing short of shambolic.

the owners have played a big role in that though, dont forget when they first arrived they were making statements about being shocked at how unpredictable transfers were in football and they couldnt believe clubs spent tens of millions on a player (and a similar amount on his wages) based purely on a managers `hunch` or opinion.
they said they were going to drag player recruitment out of the stone age and introduce analysis and statistical data into the process, they said they were going to revolutionise football.
the first appointment they made was comoli and he was brought in on the recommendation of billy `moneyball` beane the baseball stats guru. comoli was employed specifically by fsg to implement their transfer philosophy, if comoli wasnt a big believer in stats and moneyball he wouldnt have got the job.
when they first arrived they openly bragged about moneyball and having a hands on approach but since it`s become clear that our transfer policy over the last few years has been awful they`ve tried to do a pontius pilate and distance themselves from it.
i think they`ve now realised themselves that football is far too fluid a game with too many variables to turn into a science, i remember hearing a radio interview with comoli after he left us and he said as much himself, he said that the midfielder in europe that covered the least ground, made the fewest high intensity sprints, made the fewest low intensity sprints and was amongst the worst for making tackles and winning the ball back high up the pitch was xavi hernandez, who as we all know is regarded as probably the best center mid in the world, as he said `go figure that one out`

[Eagle]

FSG have now owned us for 4 transfer windows, according to my records they spent about £2M (net) in their first window (Jan 11), perhaps £35M (net) last summer, zero Jan 12 and £25M (net) this summer. That's just over £60M (net) with funds from a few on loan players expected to further reduce that figure, they also slashed the wage bill during the last window.

Let's hope they've just been getting our accounts in order and will now push on and strengthen the squad, only time will tell.

Its pretty simple to deduce that after splurging an absolute fortune on utter dross (except for Suarez) over their first year, with money they will never recoup, despite claiming that they would only be targeting players with "resale value" they are being alot more stringent in their purchasing. Who could blame them? Especially when the players Rodgers overpaid for this season again look average at best. With all the talk of bringing in Sturridge and Ince I have to ask the question:

WHO THE F*CK BELIEVES THAT IS THE KIND OF BUSINESS THAT A SIDE TARGETING A RETURN TO THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE SHOULD BE CONDUCTING?

It hasnt been NESV that has been directly at fault for us slipping further and further down the table, it is the person or persons that has been WASTING their money for the last 2 years. I dont see how anyone in their right mind can argue this point. LFC transfer business since January 2011 has been nothing short of shambolic.

they said they were going to drag player recruitment out of the stone age and introduce analysis and statistical data into the process, they said they were going to revolutionise football.`

I don’t remember seeing anything like this. Would be interesting to see the article if you have a link?

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Eagle

I don’t remember seeing anything like this. Would be interesting to see the article if you have a link?

i read it at the time, i dont keep records of every article i read.

[Basil]

I don't think anyone is directly to blame for us slipping further down the table, it's more of a combination of events over the last few years and it takes time, money and hard work to get us back on track.

It's easy for us to criticise new signings and team selections but the manager is in a much better position to know how good a player is and what he can do on the field. I don't think some of the players are as bad as some people suggest but the squad is seriously short in attacking options and when it's up to full strength I reckon some of the players will start to look a lot better. The age of Gerrard and Carragher hasn't helped and the refereeing decisions have been attrocious.

Support, stability and a couple of good signings is what we need.

[Eagle]

Eagle

I don’t remember seeing anything like this. Would be interesting to see the article if you have a link?

i read it at the time, i dont keep records of every article i read.

I didn't think so. Expect people to call you out when you make things up, especially when it’s to the detriment of the club.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

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I don’t remember seeing anything like this. Would be interesting to see the article if you have a link?

i read it at the time, i dont keep records of every article i read.

I didn't think so. Expect people to call you out when you make things up, especially when it’s to the detriment of the club.

make things up? go back and read articles from that time yourself

[Eagle]

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb
make things up? go back and read articles from that time yourself

I doubt I’ve missed much that Werner and Henry have said to the media about the club and I certainly don’t remember them saying they are going to revolutionise football. It would be contrary in tone to everything else they have said. Yes, they believe that statistical analysis to aid the scouting process is something that adds value, but that’s hardly revolutionary is it? It’s used everywhere from West Brom to Barcelona, from Chelsea to Porto, Reading to Real Madrid.

If you have a source to your claim that FSG boasted that they would revolutionise football, please do share as it would be an interesting read and a possible eye opener.

[mart]

I didn't think so. Expect people to call you out when you make things up, especially when it’s to the detriment of the club.

He is probably right as the moneyball nonsense was hyped up beyond belief around that time, partly because of the movie. There was a lot of talk about the stats of both players and staff like Comolli, and how much they had learned from Beane(?) or whatever the name of that stat guy is.