Rebuilding More Important Than Results

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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:24 pm

Rebuilding More Important Than Results
http://thekop.liverpoolfc.com/_Rebuildi ... 73471.html

They football management is a result’s based business, and mostly it is, but in Liverpool’s case this season, the rebuilding of the team is the most important thing if Liverpool want to get back to where they should be.

The owners have brought in a new young manager in Brendan Rodgers and they need to stick to their promise of giving him time, regardless of how results go on the pitch. The American owners have went for a different approach for success after previously bringing in the legend that was Kenny Dalglish, and also by giving him money to spend for instant success.

The success they looked for wasn’t achieved by Dalglish and now they are looking at a different approach with a young manager who likes to play an attractive type of football that suits the Liverpool support.

Brendan Rodgers has endured a tough start to his Liverpool career in the Anfield hot seat as Liverpool has made their worst to a season since 1911. But the supporters are magnificent at Liverpool and they are still backing him and singing his name during games.

The style of play Rodgers is trying to install in his team and the use of many youngsters in the first team has encouraged the supporters to back their manager. Players like Sterling, Wisdom and Suso, who all started against Stoke last Sunday has excited the Kop even if the results haven’t.

Many other youngsters have received game time from Rodgers too this season, Robinson, Coates, Pacheco, Morgan, Assaidi, but to name a few others. There is a wealth of talent coming through the youth sides at Liverpool and Brendan Rodgers is going to give these players a chance in the first team.

But it will take time for the youngsters to step up to the rigours of Premiership football on a consistent basis and everybody has to appreciate that as results will fluctuate. But the experience and the gelling of this new Liverpool team will be invaluable for the future as Liverpool aim to get back to where they should be challenging for the Premiership title.

The problem at a club like Liverpool is that they should be challenging every year and only positive results will do and in recent years the poor results has cost managers their jobs as the managers door at Anfield has become a revolving door.

There is a change of attitude by the owners in hiring Rodgers and now I think they realise that they made need to take one step back to go two steps forward, and for once Liverpool will sacrifice results to achieve long term progression in this team’s style of play and introduction of youngsters.

Liverpool supporters are intelligent enough to realise that this is a new era under a new young manager in Brendan Rodgers, and he will be here for a long time to see his footballing philosophy flourish.


Hits nail on head....
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Postby Roger Red Hat » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:54 pm

forum users should be made to read that before they post any thing again.
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Postby ethanr » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:04 pm

This seems the obvious idea to go by.  It's how I've felt since Rogers has came in.  I feel he's a really decent manager and I've really liked what he's done so far.  If we properly rebuild, we'll get 4th 5 years in a row instead of getting 4th this year and then back to 6-8th.
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:27 pm

Roger Red Hat » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:54 pm wrote:forum users should be made to read that before they post any thing again.


give him time? the same thing could have been said about kenny though.
considering the off the field troubles last season he didnt do that bad, up until christmas we`d only lost 3 games in all competitions and we were only 3 points off a CL place. then lucas`s injury, suarez`s ban and the media storm really kicked in.
i was reading an interesting stat the other day, out of the 5 major european leagues (england, spain, italy, france and germany) only barcelona spent more time in the oppositions final 3rd than liverpool last season and no one hit the woodwork more than us.
there was probably only 4 or 5 league games where we didnt play well (spurs away, united away, stoke home, bolton away etc)
he really did have some bad luck.
but we are where we are and rodgers deserves a chance to see what he can do.
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Postby the lone wolf » Thu Oct 11, 2012 4:54 pm

That is a well thought out post, however it does read the obvious? I think we all recognise this facts but we don't all agree that we should be where we are with the results we have got and the squad we have got.

Casing Points:
All team are in the process of re-building. Manure have spent on youth, Chelsea have spent to rebuild (Lamps and Jt can't play for ever!), and Arsenal, bless 'em seem to re-building every season! Yes neither of these teams are struggling to fight to stay at the top, do they? I think this is what irritates a lot of fans; not that loyalty needs to be judged, but that it is frustrating to see others do it with ease of management.

Question - Who thought Arsenal would struggle without their Captain 2 seasons ago? Who thought Arsenal would be struggling without their captain this season?
Proof is in the pudding. Yes we should be re-building, but at the moment it seems that the House Shankley built has been cast aside to rot with no evident plan for the future, apart from appointing a young manager?

Fair is fair and BR is really trying to instill the very things that made Liverpool great, however many things make this club great and if we look to the past in order to have a brighter future, we will also recognise that under each great manager post Shankley have been equally great owners AND great players. At the moment we have possibly 2 out of 3 (with a upcoming manager and some v good upcoming players) but do we have great owners.

Great owners - the last being David Moores who's ownership peaked in 2005 - stay WELL OUT OF ALL FOOTBALL things and matters.

My message is quite simple - FSG BACK OUR MANAGER, RE-DEVELOP ANFIELD and stay out of FOOTBALLING issues - Your hotdogs, burgers, chips and popcorn is just confusing EVERYONE!  :nod
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:06 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:27 pm wrote:
Roger Red Hat » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:54 pm wrote:forum users should be made to read that before they post any thing again.


give him time? the same thing could have been said about kenny though.
considering the off the field troubles last season he didnt do that bad, up until christmas we`d only lost 3 games in all competitions and we were only 3 points off a CL place. then lucas`s injury, suarez`s ban and the media storm really kicked in.
i was reading an interesting stat the other day, out of the 5 major european leagues (england, spain, italy, france and germany) only barcelona spent more time in the oppositions final 3rd than liverpool last season and no one hit the woodwork more than us.
there was probably only 4 or 5 league games where we didnt play well (spurs away, united away, stoke home, bolton away etc)
he really did have some bad luck.
but we are where we are and rodgers deserves a chance to see what he can do.

I agree and I never wanted to see Kenny dismissed so early. But Rodgers' philosophy and team selections inspire me more than Kenny's did.

Probably a direct reflection of Rodgers modern day experience.
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Postby the lone wolf » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:14 pm

SouthCoastShankly » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:06 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Thu Oct 11, 2012 3:27 pm wrote:
Roger Red Hat » Thu Oct 11, 2012 2:54 pm wrote:forum users should be made to read that before they post any thing again.


give him time? the same thing could have been said about kenny though.
considering the off the field troubles last season he didnt do that bad, up until christmas we`d only lost 3 games in all competitions and we were only 3 points off a CL place. then lucas`s injury, suarez`s ban and the media storm really kicked in.
i was reading an interesting stat the other day, out of the 5 major european leagues (england, spain, italy, france and germany) only barcelona spent more time in the oppositions final 3rd than liverpool last season and no one hit the woodwork more than us.
there was probably only 4 or 5 league games where we didnt play well (spurs away, united away, stoke home, bolton away etc)
he really did have some bad luck.
but we are where we are and rodgers deserves a chance to see what he can do.

I agree and I never wanted to see Kenny dismissed so early. But Rodgers' philosophy and team selections inspire me more than Kenny's did.

Probably a direct reflection of Rodgers modern day experience.


To the point of the topic. IMO. The only thing that matters in any professional sport is RESULTS...
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Postby Greavesie » Thu Oct 11, 2012 6:20 pm

Liverpool supporters are intelligent enough to realise that this is a new era under a new young manager in Brendan Rodgers, and he will be here for a long time to see his footballing philosophy flourish.


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Postby The Raven » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:03 pm

There is a change of attitude by the owners in hiring Rodgers and now I think they realise that they made need to take one step back to go two steps forward, and for once Liverpool will sacrifice results to achieve long term progression in this team’s style of play and introduction of youngsters.


O f*ck me.

So the none spending was all part of the brillant plan to hire Brod and use youth? Heard it all now. Face facts, he got a squad of lazy players who he has replaced with young hungry talented players who will sink or swim.

Liverpool supporters are intelligent enough to realise that this is a new era under a new young manager in Brendan Rodgers, and he will be here for a long time to see his footballing philosophy flourish.


I wouldnt hazard a guess on what FSG think or do.
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Postby LFC1990 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:12 am

Rebuilding is very important but Results have to be as important to keep the likes of Suarez and co.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:35 am

Listen no one is doubting the importance of results. No one wants to watch a losing football team on the proviso the team is rebuilding. The point of the article and the reasoning behind it is that allowances can be made early on in a rebuilding phase because the rebuilding work is extremely valuable in the long term.

I hate watching us misfire and draw or lose games where we clearly should have won, but the reality is our style is shining through and we are playing well. In my opinion we will get it right eventually, even if this season is a write off. Rodgers will need at least two more transfer windows to bring in players who can strengthen the squad and fill missing gaps.

The last time I was willing to give a manager time to get it right was when Benitez came in. My instinct proved me right then, I have no reason to doubt it again.
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Postby LFC1990 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:39 am

Im not doubting what your saying. I am all for giving Rodgers time ETC as i think with the way he has set us up in game we have looked fantastic and if we had a clinical striker then maybe the table would look alot diffrent. All i am saying is Yes You and I will give Rodgers time but will Suarez and Johnson if we dont achieve Champions league football or Europa league next season
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Postby lakes10 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 8:47 am

"There is a change of attitude by the owners in hiring Rodgers and now I think they realise that they made need to take one step back to go two steps forward, and for once Liverpool will sacrifice results to achieve long term progression in this team’s style of play and introduction of youngsters."

oh well, we will win something next year then........a  prmotion final.

"Rebuilding More Important Than Results"

Why did they sack Kenny then? he set out a plan to rebuild the team in two years but the owners said the results were poor?
Kenny got us to two finals and used some young players?


sorry but that report dont stand up!!
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Fri Oct 12, 2012 9:30 am

LFC1990 » Fri Oct 12, 2012 7:39 am wrote:Im not doubting what your saying. I am all for giving Rodgers time ETC as i think with the way he has set us up in game we have looked fantastic and if we had a clinical striker then maybe the table would look alot diffrent. All i am saying is Yes You and I will give Rodgers time but will Suarez and Johnson if we dont achieve Champions league football or Europa league next season

I like Johnson but he is replaceable.

Suarez is a world class talent no doubt, he has signed a long term deal. So either he is committed to the cause and stays or we cash in on him for big money.

Again I stress that the bigger picture is the long term plan. Suarez, Agger and Skrtel have all recently signed contract extensions, I'm sure they are under no illusions of the rebuilding task ahead. But a contract extension is a sign they want to be part of it.
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Postby jacdaniel » Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:27 am

We need to find a healthy balance between rebuilding and results.  No one is expecting miracles but we can surely expect a top half finish and a couple of decent cup runs.

Like someone said above, I have faith in Rodgers for whatever reason and I haven't felt that way since Rafa. 
I think this possession football and our young players are going to turn into a monster of a team, but there needs to be progress to keep them altogether. 

I also think it will be hugely important how Rodgers spends the money if we are forced to cash in on Suarez, Skrtel etc.
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