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Postby Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:32 pm

What I would like more than anything is to win at least one league game this season, that would be excellent.
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Postby The Hustler » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:35 pm

Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:32 pm wrote:What I would like more than anything is to win at least one league game this season, that would be excellent.


Dont ask for too much, thats pushing it.
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Postby the lone wolf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:58 pm

The Hustler » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:35 pm wrote:
Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:32 pm wrote:What I would like more than anything is to win at least one league game this season, that would be excellent.


Dont ask for too much, thats pushing it.


AGREE - A win tonight against a very motivated coach (and no doubt team unbeaten at home this year) would be a very positive step forward!!!
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Postby alwayslfc » Tue Oct 09, 2012 4:04 am

FSG is the root cause of our poor form so far this season. They refused to back BR with the funds to get that quality striker that we desperately need to put away the multiple chances that we've created. They refused to back BR with the 6 million required to get Dempsey. They've overstayed their welcome after rescuing us from financial meltdown 2 years ago.

If they are going to continue to be stingy for whatever the reason/s are, then our future is not bright under them. If by January they continue to stubbornly refuse to back BR with the funds he needs to get the players that he wants like they did in the summer (BR wanted Dempsey in the summer by the way), please FSG, I beg you, sell the club to someone else who can invest heavily in the squad.

BR may be the right man to bring Liverpool forward, but his hands are pretty much tied if the owners are not going to back him with the funds.
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Postby SouthCoastShankly » Tue Oct 09, 2012 6:49 am

alwayslfc » Tue Oct 09, 2012 3:04 am wrote:FSG is the root cause of our poor form so far this season. They refused to back BR with the funds to get that quality striker that we desperately need to put away the multiple chances that we've created. They refused to back BR with the 6 million required to get Dempsey. They've overstayed their welcome after rescuing us from financial meltdown 2 years ago.

If they are going to continue to be stingy for whatever the reason/s are, then our future is not bright under them. If by January they continue to stubbornly refuse to back BR with the funds he needs to get the players that he wants like they did in the summer (BR wanted Dempsey in the summer by the way), please FSG, I beg you, sell the club to someone else who can invest heavily in the squad.

BR may be the right man to bring Liverpool forward, but his hands are pretty much tied if the owners are not going to back him with the funds.

Saying they've overstayed their welcome is well over the top in my opinion. They openly admitted they made mistakes in the transfer window, I do not believe the transfer window debacle was intentional. They may well have not rated Clint Dempsey enough to up their bid but, accordingly Tony Barrett of the Times at the time we had more than one medical lined up.

I believe that they were naive to think that we were certain to sign someone.

You talk about selling us to a big pocketed owner, but what makes you think we have those type of suitors interested in us? They weren't around when FSG made their move to acquire us, I suspect they still aren't that interested.

Changing owners now so long after the last disruption would kill us. Do you not realise how much damage disruption like that does?
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Postby alwayslfc » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:59 am

Selling Liverpool to a super rich owner could be possible, I mean where were Chelsea and Man City in the PL before they were bought up by those mega rich guys? Maybe 2 years ago was not the right time for such rich people to come in.
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Postby Boxscarf » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:11 am

alwayslfc » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:59 am wrote:Selling Liverpool to a super rich owner could be possible, I mean where were Chelsea and Man City in the PL before they were bought up by those mega rich guys? Maybe 2 years ago was not the right time for such rich people to come in.


Then if those rich owners up and leave without so much of a whisper, clubs like Chelsea, Malaga and Man City will be staring down the barrel of administration like Glasgow Rangers.
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Postby alwayslfc » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:23 am

Boxscarf » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:11 am wrote:
alwayslfc » Tue Oct 09, 2012 10:59 am wrote:Selling Liverpool to a super rich owner could be possible, I mean where were Chelsea and Man City in the PL before they were bought up by those mega rich guys? Maybe 2 years ago was not the right time for such rich people to come in.


Then if those rich owners up and leave without so much of a whisper, clubs like Chelsea, Malaga and Man City will be staring down the barrel of administration like Glasgow Rangers.


Of course there are pros and cons of having rich owners. But will they want to leave when the club that they own are qualifying for the CL every season and/or winning the PL and CL most seasons?

I will continue to be critical of FSG if they are continuing with what they're doing now but I might change my mind if in the January window they back Brendan with the funds that he will need. What I mean is, if they are going to be mean with funds, there is no future for Liverpool to put it bluntly. And if that is the case, they must go.
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Postby jacdaniel » Tue Oct 09, 2012 11:24 am

It will be interesting to see what they do in January and next summer.   If they spend big or at least a decent amount, I think we could get back to challenging for the top 4 fairly soon. (next season). 

If they don't, I fear we'll be waiting a year or two on the likes of Suso, Sterling, Assaidi, Shelvey, Coates, Wisdom to develop before we can challenge.  If the latter scenario turns out to be the case, we'll probably face losing our current top players and it will be important to reinvest that money very wisely... something we failed to do with Torres.
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Postby The Hustler » Tue Oct 09, 2012 1:37 pm

I do actually like Mr Henry, Tom Werner and the overall owners. They showed a signal of intent when they gave Kenny 50m + to spend. Maybe they are just reluctant to give the same amount of cash to inexperienced Brendan Rodgers, and maybe have asked him to "prove himself", before they release any funds for transfers.

A wise move IMO
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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Oct 09, 2012 8:28 pm

this is where the owners decision in the transfer window to be conservative with their money comes back to bite us on the @rse.
luis has done brilliantly, he`s scored 5 league goals in 7 games, thats a superb ratio (especially when you consider the teams we`ve played in those 7 games) but a glance at the league table shows even that impressive return isnt good enough.
we obviously need more than one man firing in the goals.
a club of our size and standing should have at least 3 top strikers on our books, not 1.
1 win in 7 in the league is a terrible return for a club of liverpools stature, even if we win our next 6 league games on the bounce (which we wont) thats 7 wins in 13 games which is nothing special, thats how poor our start has been.
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Postby devaney » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:27 pm

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:28 pm wrote:this is where the owners decision in the transfer window to be conservative with their money comes back to bite us on the @rse.
luis has done brilliantly, he`s scored 5 league goals in 7 games, thats a superb ratio (especially when you consider the teams we`ve played in those 7 games) but a glance at the league table shows even that impressive return isnt good enough.
we obviously need more than one man firing in the goals.
a club of our size and standing should have at least 3 top strikers on our books, not 1.
1 win in 7 in the league is a terrible return for a club of liverpools stature, even if we win our next 6 league games on the bounce (which we wont) thats 7 wins in 13 games which is nothing special, thats how poor our start has been.


The Carroll Dempsey saga was a mess and I think we can all agree on that. The owners during the summer I think were the fifth highest spenders in the Premiership. Unfortunately Kenny and Comolli pisse.d £110m down the river and you don't recover in five minutes from fk ups of that magnitude! Hodgson got Joe Cole on a free with a £90k per week wage bill and Brendan is now trying to establish if he can of any use to the team. Good luck with that one Brendan!
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Postby alwayslfc » Fri Oct 12, 2012 1:50 am

Well, Borini is now out with a fractured foot leaving Suarez as the only recognisable striker and Suarez is not even a clinical finisher. We are now going to depend on inexperienced striker youngsters to fill the void which is a laughing stock for a big club like us who is supposed to be at least qualifying for CL every season, all thanks to stupid FSG's stinginess and Brendan's stupid mistake in handling the Carroll and Dempsey transfer.

So be prepared for another total ball possession and domination in the Reading game but end up with another draw or a 0-1 loss after 90 minutes. FSG, Mr.Henry and Mr.Werner, please sell up and leave our club.
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Postby Kenny Kan » Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:12 am

The Hustler » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:35 pm wrote:
Boxscarf » Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:32 pm wrote:What I would like more than anything is to win at least one league game this season, that would be excellent.


Dont ask for too much, thats pushing it.



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Postby ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:50 pm

devaney » Wed Oct 10, 2012 4:27 pm wrote:
ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Oct 09, 2012 7:28 pm wrote:this is where the owners decision in the transfer window to be conservative with their money comes back to bite us on the @rse.
luis has done brilliantly, he`s scored 5 league goals in 7 games, thats a superb ratio (especially when you consider the teams we`ve played in those 7 games) but a glance at the league table shows even that impressive return isnt good enough.
we obviously need more than one man firing in the goals.
a club of our size and standing should have at least 3 top strikers on our books, not 1.
1 win in 7 in the league is a terrible return for a club of liverpools stature, even if we win our next 6 league games on the bounce (which we wont) thats 7 wins in 13 games which is nothing special, thats how poor our start has been.


The Carroll Dempsey saga was a mess and I think we can all agree on that. The owners during the summer I think were the fifth highest spenders in the Premiership. Unfortunately Kenny and Comolli pisse.d £110m down the river and you don't recover in five minutes from fk ups of that magnitude! Hodgson got Joe Cole on a free with a £90k per week wage bill and Brendan is now trying to establish if he can of any use to the team. Good luck with that one Brendan!


being the fifth highest spenders in england is nothing to write home about when we are the 5 times european champions and widely regarded as one of the two biggest, not just football clubs, but sporting institutions in this country.
you mention joe cole but brendan seems to like him, he didnt try to loan him out and their was plenty of talk in the echo pre-season about how he had a future here. he`s certainly getting more of an opportunity than the likes of carroll did.
liverpool are not the only club in history to waste money in the transfer market and most of the money went on players comoli hailed as moneyball signings. the owners specifically hired comoli because they thought player recruitment in this country was stuck in the stone age so they cant do a pontius pilate on that £100m. anyway by most accounts they broke even that year, it wasnt out of their own pocket.
for a club of our size and standing to have 1 fit senior striker is a ridiculous situation.
fsg have been in charge two years now, they hired a DoF and sacked him, they`ve hired two managers and sacked 2 managers and sacked a raft of other behind the scene`s staff. they`ve overseen the spending of £150m and over 20 players have left the club. they`ve also sat in the directors box at wembley 3 times and watched us lift our first trophy in 6 years. that all happened on their watch.
a lot of water has flowed under the bridge since H&G left, it`s wearing a bit thin for them to keep on acting like the conservative party and blaming everything on past regimes.
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