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[burjennio]

Martinez's Wigan ship loads of goals. His Wigan side have a soft center. I'm worried.

So does a Galaxy Caramel and they're awesome!!

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Martinez's Wigan ship loads of goals. His Wigan side have a soft center. I'm worried.

we have better players at the back than them though, and with lucas patrolling infront and if reina gets his Sh*t together i think we`ll be okay.

[only me]

Betting on a young up and coming manager is something we can live with ,Martinez is a perfectly sound bet ,FFS if ManC managed to win a championship despite having mancini anything is possible.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

We'll never carry the kind of horrid luck we suffered through last season again. We are not as far away as some may think, it was a massive collapse in the second half of the season that dragged our league position down so far. We were hanging with the top four clubs up until mid Feb. A few astute signings and we'll be back in the mix for top four, though the title currently looks as far away as its ever been over the last twenty years 

thats a fair point actually, with about 10 games to go we were only 4 points off fourth place but we fell away dramatically when it finally became obvious fourth was gone. that home game aginst arsenal was the one that f**ked us up, to play so well on the day but lose just knocked the stuffing out of us and left us with a mountain to climb points wise.
after that game the players seemed to subconciously throw the towel in in the league and concentrate on the cups making the campaign look worse than it probably was.
saying that arsenal and chelsea went through their worst runs of form in well over a decade and i cant see that happening again so we will need to up our game a lot just to stay competative next season.
we`ll have to watch out for everton too, they are rumoured to be in for hoilett and if they get him and that jelavic keeps on scoring like he has been doing they might come up on the rails and surprise a few people. they finished the season in great form scoring goals for fun and it was them who cost united the title, not many teams would have battled back at old trafford they way they did.
it`s took him a while but moyes has built a good side there

[metalhead]

Betting on a young up and coming manager is something we can live with ,Martinez is a perfectly sound bet ,FFS if ManC managed to win a championship despite having mancini anything is possible.

Mancini had 300m+ to spend.. anyone can win a title with that amount of money

[friendlyguy33]

Betting on a young up and coming manager is something we can live with ,Martinez is a perfectly sound bet ,FFS if ManC managed to win a championship despite having mancini anything is possible.

Mancini had won three titles in Serie A with Inter Milan when City hired him to replace Hughes. The only title Martinez has won as a manager is League One with Swansea City you may as well compare Carlo Ancelotti with Paul Lambert.

[LFC2007]

It's going to be tough to make the top four whoever is manager. The idea that we're just a change or two away from being a top drawer side is (or should I say was?) wishful thinking on the part of those least willing to accept the scale of the challenge facing us. Teams don't make the jump from 8th to 4th without a fight and, given the competition we face, that's clearly going to be the case if we're up there next season.

With Martinez in charge we would have a manager who, IMO, looks promising but whose past experiences give rise to some doubt about his ability to make the step up. It's not that there is proof of his inability to manage at the highest level, or even proof -- as there was with Roy -- that his "level" so to speak is managing lower level clubs, it's that he lacks the experience altogether and given the nature of the challenge facing us, that's something that most of us were looking for in the new manager. In terms of how a club of our stature operates and what it expects to achieve, the differences in managing a team to promotion or survival are marked by comparison and are what make it seem like that much more a gamble.

Perhaps that's thinking too rigidly about it, though. Obviously most top clubs opt for managers who have previous top-level experience, and usually experience of winning trophies at that, but consider what little experience the likes of Wenger, Rafa, Guardiola, Allegri and Klopp had and what they went on to achieve once they'd got their break. There are a number of notable distinctions to draw between those guys and the clubs they took over, and Martinez and our current situation (more pressure, bigger challenge, less experienced manager), but it's nevertheless true that none of them, arguably with the exception of Wenger, had achieved any major success beforehand. Not all achieved their success in Barca-type circumstances, either. Wenger took an underperforming Arsenal side that finished 11th and 5th in the two seasons prior to his arrival, to a title win in his second season, overhauling the Manc's in the process. Rafa took Valencia from 5th to 1st in one season. And, in four seasons, Klopp took a mid-table Dortmund side to successive Bundesliga titles (incidentally, in his one previous job, he managed Mainz to both promotion and relegation). Those clubs saw potential in those managers, took the gamble and it paid off in spades. Who's to say a similar feat can't be achieved by Martinez or for that matter another inexperienced candidate? Bottom line, is managers have to start somewhere and you're not always going to find out everything you need to know just by looking at their managerial record, important though it is to consider.

[burjennio]

It's going to be tough to make the top four whoever is manager. The idea that we're just a change or two away from being a top drawer side is (or should I say was?) wishful thinking on the part of those least willing to accept the scale of the challenge facing us. Teams don't make the jump from 8th to 4th without a fight and, given the competition we face, that's clearly going to be the case if we're up there next season.

With Martinez in charge we would have a manager who, IMO, looks promising but whose past experiences give rise to some doubt about his ability to make the step up. It's not that there is proof of his inability to manage at the highest level, or even proof -- as there was with Roy -- that his "level" so to speak is managing lower level clubs, it's that he lacks the experience altogether and given the nature of the challenge facing us, that's something that most of us were looking for in the new manager. In terms of how a club of our stature operates and what it expects to achieve, the differences in managing a team to promotion or survival are marked by comparison and are what make it seem like that much more a gamble.

Perhaps that's thinking too rigidly about it, though. Obviously most top clubs opt for managers who have previous top-level experience, and usually experience of winning trophies at that, but consider what little experience the likes of Wenger, Rafa, Guardiola, Allegri and Klopp had and what they went on to achieve once they'd got their break. There are a number of notable distinctions to draw between those guys and the clubs they took over, and Martinez and our current situation (more pressure, bigger challenge, less experienced manager), but it's nevertheless true that none of them, arguably with the exception of Wenger, had achieved any major success beforehand. Not all achieved their success in Barca-type circumstances, either. Wenger took an underperforming Arsenal side that finished 11th and 5th in the two seasons prior to his arrival, to a title win in his second season, overhauling the Manc's in the process. Rafa took Valencia from 5th to 1st in one season. And, in four seasons, Klopp took a mid-table Dortmund side to successive Bundesliga titles (incidentally, in his one previous job, he managed Mainz to both promotion and relegation). Those clubs saw potential in those managers, took the gamble and it paid off in spades. Who's to say a similar feat can't be achieved by Martinez or for that matter another inexperienced candidate? Bottom line, is managers have to start somewhere and you're not always going to find out everything you need to know just by looking at their managerial record, important though it is to consider.

Top post big lad.

I want a manager who will make his name at our club, not someone who has already done it all somewhere else and is just coming for a big salary. A younger manager with some fresh ideas who can get the current players ready to run through walls for him, but will also be fully backed by the board (within reason) to bring in whatever targets he believes will significantly improve the clubs ability to challenge for top honours. Lets hope we can get this manager named quickly, whether it is Roberto Martinez or another as yet unforeseen candidate, and he can get the players he needs in before pre-season and we can start off 12/13 on the front foot.

[only me]

Betting on a young up and coming manager is something we can live with ,Martinez is a perfectly sound bet ,FFS if ManC managed to win a championship despite having mancini anything is possible.

Mancini had 300m+ to spend.. anyone can win a title with that amount of money

That's my point exactly you would think giving a well known manager unlimited funds he would take the league as easilly as a stroll in the park in fact he almost managed to boggle it all up. BTW anceloti as all other Italians managers are total ***** ,killing the game with their conservative defensive tactics ,usually they fail and fall crashing.

I'm not one bit frightend from a young promising manager even if he doesn't have any major wins/clubs under his belt.

[burjennio]

Carlo Ancelotti is most definitely NOT a defensive manager. His Milan team of Kaka, Pirlo and co were one of the most superb footballing sides of the last ten years

[only me]

Carlo Ancelotti is most definitely NOT a defensive manager. His Milan team of Kaka, Pirlo and co were one of the most superb footballing sides of the last ten years

Yes when they are in Italy they are all geniouses ,football Mamooths...They are a fiction which only dress elegantly ,all those Mancini's ,Capello's ,Ancelottis switching top teams between them sucking the life of out of creative football...whatever ,don't rate them one bit. Pre-historic creatures.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

So it looks like being (as if it was ever likely it could be anyone else) Martinez . I'm personally  gutted
Rafa has been overlooked ,and I bet there's a few tears shed in the Benitez household in the next few
days ,but if its Martinez then so be it, we may even grow to adore the bug eyed Spaniard .


Deje la revolución comenzar

[Dalglish]

It appears that Roberto Martinez is on the brink of becoming the "latest" Liverpool Manager but what I can't get my head around is why FSG didn't look at Paul Lambert.

With Norwich he brought back to back promotions and then finished 12th in the Premiership just 4pts behind LFC whilst re-inventing players like Holt, Pilkington, Ruddy and Hoolahan. He has given Ex LFC fringe players like Zak Whitbread and Ayala a second chance and they have thrived under his management.

He's a canny dour Scot who in his time was an exceptional player ...............Oh wait a minute FSG just got rid of a guy just like that !

I can't help it but I'm still grieving the loss of the Legend that is Kenny Dalglish

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

i just hope he doesnt crack under the pressure, he will be under more pressure than he has ever been in his life.
the pressure starts early as well, at the top of the division other teams apply pressure by just winning, look what happened last season, we drew our first game at home to sunderland and were 2 points behind city and united after 1 game, and that was the closest we got to them all season.
it doesnt matter how much of the season has gone, it might only be 3 weeks in but once the top teams get about 5 points ahead then all of a sudden you cant afford to lose your next game, if the top teams get 8 points ahead then it`s unlikely that you`ll pull that back, infact odds are the gap will grow and grow.
add to that the pressure from discontented fans and a type of media scrutiny that he`s never known before (any loss at anfield makes the headlines on the backpages of the sunday newspapers, at wigan if he lost it probably merited a few paragraphs about 3 pages in, if he loses a game here there`ll be headlines like `martinez out of his depth` and `not good enough roberto` etc splashed everywhere)
1 or 2 losses and suddenly he starts getting discussed on radio phone in`s up and down the country and the sky tv mob start analysing and disecting his every mistake, ex players who are big noises in the media start to give their opinion.
plus liverpool is a big city with passionate and opinionated supporters, football is a religion here, it`s the 3rd biggest city in england as well so as a work environment it`s a lot different from a little rugby town like wigan.

[Dalglish]

i just hope he doesnt crack under the pressure, he will be under more pressure than he has ever been in his life.
the pressure starts early as well, at the top of the division other teams apply pressure by just winning, look what happened last season, we drew our first game at home to sunderland and were 2 points behind city and united after 1 game, and that was the closest we got to them all season.
it doesnt matter how much of the season has gone, it might only be 3 weeks in but once the top teams get about 5 points ahead then all of a sudden you cant afford to lose your next game, if the top teams get 8 points ahead then it`s unlikely that you`ll pull that back, infact odds are the gap will grow and grow.
add to that the pressure from discontented fans and a type of media scrutiny that he`s never known before (any loss at anfield makes the headlines on the backpages of the sunday newspapers, at wigan if he lost it probably merited a few paragraphs about 3 pages in, if he loses a game here there`ll be headlines like `martinez out of his depth` and `not good enough roberto` etc splashed everywhere)
1 or 2 losses and suddenly he starts getting discussed on radio phone in`s up and down the country and the sky tv mob start analysing and disecting his every mistake, ex players who are big noises in the media start to give their opinion.
plus liverpool is a big city with passionate and opinionated supporters, football is a religion here, it`s the 3rd biggest city in england as well so as a work environment it`s a lot different from a little rugby town like wigan.

Feck me mate, I hope Martinez doesn't stumble upon your post ! Its enough to give me nightmares and I'm just a Fan !