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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

in todays echo it basically says rodgers doesnt see carroll as being part of a high energy dynamic pressing team and if we recieve an acceptable offer he can go.
thats fair enough, i`m dissappointed to see carroll go and i think he will do some damage in this league in the future but if the manager has a clear plan and carroll physically hasnt got the attributes to be part of it then as i say fair enough.
but at least replace him with someone with a bit of experience and proven ability. being realistic how many 21 year old`s come into the prem and rip up tree`s? especially one that hasnt even played 50 career games. the lad scored 10 goals in italy last season which is quite impressive for someone that inexperienced but it`s not the type of return thats going to fire us into the CL places. he may be a great player in the future but in the short term we seem to be going backwards.
we dont have the air about us of a club determined to reach the top of the game. we have got to chase down some powerful clubs and i`m not convinced we can do it buying £8m players here and £10m players there.

We dont have the money to bring in a proven top class replacement. Or we do have the money, but the owners saw the damage Kenny did and are reluctant to spend big again on no return.

The owners got badly burnt and its clear they are taking a different course with transfers. We went nuts spending huge sums on average british players so its totally understandable that we are spending around 8-10m on unproven players who we hope can be good.

realistically we arent going to close the gap on the top clubs by spending 8-9m on young players, 21 and 22 year olds arent going to come to a massive club and rip up tree`s. it has happened in the past once or twice like when we signed keegan but it`s a rare occurance.
rodgers is going to have to perform miracles to get us in the top 4, we were already way off the pace and if he has less money to spend than the clubs that finished above us then he is really up against it, lets not forget as well that next season is only his second season in the top flight.
maybe for the first time in my lifetime this club has settled for mid table obscurity or maybe a better way of putting it is that we cant compete with the top clubs no more. i know if all this was happening at chelsea or city i wouldnt be thinking to myself `they are planning for the dawn of a new glorious age`, i`d be thinking to myself that the arabs or abramovitch must be on the verge of pulling out and they are cutting their cloth accordingly.
we dont seem to be acting like a fiercely ambitious club to me. you may think differently i dont know.

[parchpea]

Carroll is the least of our worries at this point with the club due to open
talks with Suarez and Agger.

One thing telling a manager you want to stay verbally but when superior
terms are offered to agents by other clubs then heads are turned and
players get greedy.

For what its worth I am not that fussed what they do with Carroll but if
Suarez and or Agger want away then Rodgers really will have a job on
next season.

suarez wont leave this season after the backing he got last year, next summer could be different though, especially if we dont make the CL again.

Anyone can leave in this game now.

I hope your right but in football these days you have to
prepare for the worst when you get a good player as
there are people with money lurking round every corner
looking to take these guys away.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Jamo Kelly@jkjamo

@TonyBarretTimes on talksport. Looks like Carroll is deffo on his way out of #LFC shame really IMO.

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38mTony Barrett@TonyBarretTimes

@jkjamo he is on his way out but i`m not on Talksport!

[friendlyguy33]

We went through all this last night - you have formed your theory and you believe reports that are written - despite not being said to all the other reporters in the conference.
Reports from a guy who said Sigurdsson was about to join the club and wasn't having a medical at Spurs.

The difference last night was that you didn't post a link up from a website which was designed to demonstrate that Carroll would be staying at Liverpool. As links go here's another one-

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/9387686/Liverpool-manager-Brendan-Rodgers-suggests-Andy-Carroll-could-go-out-on-loan-if-he-fails-to-establish-himself.html#

This is what he told the Daily Telegraph-

"It’s something I would have to look at, I have to be honest,” Rodgers said. “I’m not going to sit here and say I will never let anyone go on loan, then come in here in two weeks and a player’s gone, and you’re saying ‘you said you wouldn’t let them go.’

“There are many things to going on loan. Is it going to be beneficial for the club, that’s the most important thing?

“Sometimes a player going out on loan – in general, not just Andy – can benefit the club in the long term.

“It gets them game experience, and they come back a better player, a more confident one. Certainly more so than if they’ve been sitting on the bench for the majority of the season.

“Andy’s always going to be linked with clubs, whether he was here or not. I have spoken to him on his holidays, he knows exactly where he stands, but I have had no inquiries about him.”

I fail to see how Carroll going on loan to another club particularly one in this country or in of all places Italy will possibly boost his confidence particularly when this happens eighteen months after they moved to a big club for £35 million. What is he saying that if Carroll comes back having knocked in 30 goals for Birmingham City to help them win promotion to the premiership or kept West Ham up with 20 goals that he's going to be able to fit in to a 4-3-3?

When a manager says 'it's something I would have to look at' this is about more than forming a theory in my mind. It means he hasn't ruled it out it means it could happen why else say it?

All of Rodgers's most recent predacessors including Souness would never have talked to the media and the press in this way about a key player openly discussing his future while the lad is away on holiday not training with his teammates. I regard it as unprofessional and an illustration already of his inexperience.

[Benny The Noon]

Thats the same BBC article regurgitated FFS - the same quotes from the same press conference

[friendlyguy33]

Thats the same BBC article regurgitated FFS - the same quotes from the same press conference

No it was an interview that Brendan Rodgers gave to the Daily Telegraph which is why it comes straight from the Daily Telegraph site.

Those were his exact words.

[Benny The Noon]

Guess which site this is from

Andy Carroll loan move a possibility - Brendan Rodgers
10 July 12 09:27

Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers says he would consider letting striker Andy Carroll go out on loan.
The 23-year-old England international has struggled to meet expectations since joining the club from Newcastle for a club record £35m in January 2011.
"It's something I would have to look at, I have to be honest," said Rodgers.
"Andy's always going to be linked with clubs, whether he was here or not. He knows exactly where he stands, but I have had no inquiries about him."
Carroll has been linked with a loan move to Italian side AC Milan, who were reportedly impressed by his displays at the recent European Championships, where he made three appearances for England and scored once, against Sweden.
Rodgers said: "There are many things to going on loan. Is it going to be beneficial for the club, that's the most important thing?
"Sometimes a player going out on loan - in general, not just Andy - can benefit the club in the long term.
"It gets them game experience and they come back a better player, a more confident one. Certainly more so than if they've been sitting on the bench for the majority of the season.
"I'm not going to sit here and say I will never let anyone go on loan, then come in here in two weeks and a player's gone, and you're saying 'you said you wouldn't let them go'."
Carroll came into this summer's international tournament in Poland and Ukraine following arguably his best form in a Liverpool shirt, during which he scored the winner in the Premier League game against Blackburn and goals in the FA Cup semi-final and final.
Prior to that the striker had come under criticism for his performances in a Reds shirt, with him having scored just eight goals in 49 appearances since his high-profile move from Newcastle for a record fee for a British player.
Critics have also suggested that Carroll may struggle to fit into Rodgers' preferred 4-3-3 style of play, while the manager is also believed to be keen to sign forward Fabio Borini - with whom he has worked at both Chelsea and Swansea - from Italian side Roma.
"He's [Carroll] no different to any player we have here," added Rodgers. "They might have all the attributes but not the mentality to play.
"It's a wee bit unfair for Andy to get labelled any other way. He's a good kid, a good lad, so we will just see how the formation of the group shapes up over the next four or five weeks.
"My task is to build a group that can challenge. Hopefully when the bus leaves at the end of pre-season, it will have the people on it who I want."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/mobile/football/18778825

That was from yesterday morning from the BBC and the quotes are from the press conference - can you see the similarity !! And yes it was a day before the Telegraph printed the same thing once again from his press conference.

[Roger Red Hat]

I'm betting that Rodgers has scratched a team down on a bit of paper that he thinks will fit the mould of his style of football. Come on, we know what style footie he likes to play we've seen it many times, mostly as his team were ripping us a new one. So he's not had a look for himself yet as players haven't all returned yet to training but he'll know straight off the players that won't adapt to his style. Carroll is probably one name he didn't put on his scribbled down team sheet. He'll know how he plays, he'll know his limitations... he'll know he isn't suited to the new way. Whats the big feking deal? He'll loan him out or he'll sell him, either or. you think the owners have said "Brendan lad, loan Carroll out cos we paid £35 million for him and we'll look like d!ckheads if we sell him now for £15 million"?  really?  £20 million drop on a player is small change to them. these fukr's are paying individuals in baseball millions a fuking week!!!!

get a grip lads, if Carroll doesn't fit the new liverpool playing style that our new, very talented, young manager is trying to develop then i'd rather he was shipped out than made to play and possibly c@cking the system up.

[Benny The Noon]

Carroll is more than capable of doing the role that Grahan did for Swansea.

I'm worried Rodgers is going to try and do too much too soon. It's all well and good trying this Barce style but we don't have the players for it and for Swansea it lacked penetration. Rodgers has to have an open mind and have different options and variety.

Carroll does have the ability to play in a passing side and pressing - he creates a lot of space for other players to use - just go and watch the derby from last year - Gerrard and Suarez destroyed Everton using the space created by Carroll.

If Carroll does go - it better not be on loan and he better have a replacement more than Borini lined up !!

[friendlyguy33]

Guess which site this is from

Andy Carroll loan move a possibility - Brendan Rodgers
10 July 12 09:27

Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers says he would consider letting striker Andy Carroll go out on loan.
The 23-year-old England international has struggled to meet expectations since joining the club from Newcastle for a club record £35m in January 2011.
"It's something I would have to look at, I have to be honest," said Rodgers.
"Andy's always going to be linked with clubs, whether he was here or not. He knows exactly where he stands, but I have had no inquiries about him."
Carroll has been linked with a loan move to Italian side AC Milan, who were reportedly impressed by his displays at the recent European Championships, where he made three appearances for England and scored once, against Sweden.
Rodgers said: "There are many things to going on loan. Is it going to be beneficial for the club, that's the most important thing?
"Sometimes a player going out on loan - in general, not just Andy - can benefit the club in the long term.
"It gets them game experience and they come back a better player, a more confident one. Certainly more so than if they've been sitting on the bench for the majority of the season.
"I'm not going to sit here and say I will never let anyone go on loan, then come in here in two weeks and a player's gone, and you're saying 'you said you wouldn't let them go'."
Carroll came into this summer's international tournament in Poland and Ukraine following arguably his best form in a Liverpool shirt, during which he scored the winner in the Premier League game against Blackburn and goals in the FA Cup semi-final and final.
Prior to that the striker had come under criticism for his performances in a Reds shirt, with him having scored just eight goals in 49 appearances since his high-profile move from Newcastle for a record fee for a British player.
Critics have also suggested that Carroll may struggle to fit into Rodgers' preferred 4-3-3 style of play, while the manager is also believed to be keen to sign forward Fabio Borini - with whom he has worked at both Chelsea and Swansea - from Italian side Roma.
"He's [Carroll] no different to any player we have here," added Rodgers. "They might have all the attributes but not the mentality to play.
"It's a wee bit unfair for Andy to get labelled any other way. He's a good kid, a good lad, so we will just see how the formation of the group shapes up over the next four or five weeks.
"My task is to build a group that can challenge. Hopefully when the bus leaves at the end of pre-season, it will have the people on it who I want."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/mobile/football/18778825

That was from yesterday morning from the BBC and the quotes are from the press conference - can you see the similarity !! And yes it was a day before the Telegraph printed the same thing once again from his press conference.

Regardless of when or how he said it what he said is more important.

[Benny The Noon]

Can you not now see its the media mixing around quotes taken from the press conference and it's not actually Rodgers speaking to the journos themselves ?

It's something that O Neill sued Sky for doing. Taking quotes mixing them around and getting a story.

There is comments in there that were actually attached to Aquilani but they have attached them to Carroll instead !!

[friendlyguy33]

Can you not now see its the media mixing around quotes taken from the press conference and it's not actually Rodgers speaking to the journos themselves ?

It's something that O Neill sued Sky for doing. Taking quotes mixing them around and getting a story.

There is comments in there that were actually attached to Aquilani but they have attached them to Carroll instead !!

Though he did say what was reported about Carroll. Are you saying that the Echo have also got it wrong about Rodgers looking at the possibility of shipping out Carroll?

I'm not going to go on about this forever I agree with your earlier post that he should have been more careful with what he said and the way he said it.

[Benny The Noon]

He mentioned Carrolls name twice - in response to the question about AC Milan and then said anyone could possibly be loaned . And the Echo used the same conference and the same article quotes.

The guy is currently out of the country yet media have him talking to West Ham.

Tony Barrett tweets that Liverpool would let him

But then says but only if it's the right deal.

It's all bloody gossip derived from that in desicive statement from Rodgers and they have leapt on it - now maybe Rodgers didn't mean it that way and he has prob never dealt with so much media pressure and maybe didn't realise the reaction it would cause but IMO it was pretty stupid and niave because Carroll isn't the most confident lad - Rodgers could have ruined any self belief and confidence he had built up.

But I will be very disappointed if he is acting this way without speaking to Carroll face to face or even seeing him in training as well.

Also if Carroll was being offered for loan and there was a possibility he was being sold then I would expect statements from his agent and I would expect Carroll to be seen flying back to the UK etc instead of still relaxing on holiday.

[Reg]

Who gives a tommytit?

Carroll did sweet fanny admas last years and suddenly we're all concerned?

Gimme a lad for 7 million who has both the talent and is hungry and I'd let the big geordie flop wallow out for nowt.

[Thommo's perm]

B-Rod has not said that Carroll will definitely not be loaned out therefore he must be saying that he definitely will be loaned out. OK?
If B-Rod has no plans for Carroll being a part of LFCs future then I must admit I am concerned about what the future holds