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[heimdall]

sorry i dont understand why we would sell him or put him on loan, the guy has just started to play well, the only thing i can think of is that he will not fit into the way we are going to play this season.

what is clear is that we will need to get a bloody good striker if he is not here or some will start saying its the managers fault for letting him go if we dont start with good results.

In fairness the replacement wouldn't have to be that good to compensate for Carroll not being here. Having said that I would actually want him to stay and fight for his place, he might become useful for us, who knows.

[friendlyguy33]

Absolutely... its Rodgers team now. if he doesnt want to keep some of Kenny's leftovers thats his prerogative. I have held back on the critique of Kenny simply because of who he is (many have held back completely)...he left an expensively assembled squad that is low on quality and Rodgers is having to pick up the pieces.

Ycsahwgdwhgdjg used to make balanced posts but hes turned into Thommo.

Fair enough he wants to improve the squad but junking key players and internationals before they've had a chance to prove themselves isn't a plan as far as I'm concerned. Borini is unlikely to prove to be a better signing than Carroll given that has no premiership experience has only played in the championship in this country and got into Italy's Euro 2012 squad on the back of about 10 goals in Serie A last season which is hardly that great.

Carroll was obviously over-priced when we bought him but what's done is done now. I think it will do more damage to replace him with another Ngog/Voronin type striker and cause more instability up front with the team than keeping Carroll and having some continuity to build on how he finished last season.

[friendlyguy33]

ESPN has now learnt that Carroll, 23, is determined to prove himself on Merseyside. A source said: "Andy is on holiday, and when he returns he is sure to seek clarification about his future with the new Liverpool manager.

"So there won't be anything for around ten days until that conversation takes place. It's all very well having discussions on the phone, but this requires a face to face.

"The feeling is that Andy won't leave Liverpool because he is proud to be a Liverpool player and wants to prove to the manager that he is capable of fitting into his system. It might be that the manager doesn't think Andy will fit in, but Andy wants to prove that he can.

"Andy knows he will get his chance, and when he does he wants to take it. So his immediate thoughts are to stay and prove himself capable of adapting to a new style of play. But it is early days, and we shall have to wait and see how it all unfolds."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... rs?cc=5901

I see Benny. So when I quote Rodgers two days ago at the press conference confirming that he would be prepared to send Carroll out on loan you say that it was all because of the spin I'm putting on it and because of the story has been dressed up by the BBC and the press.

Yet when you produce a link by an equally spurious source (ESPN and offside.com regularly get things wrong) about what Carroll wants and in terms of wanting to stay all on the authority of a 'source' I'm supposed to believe it and that's different.

You've just undermined your own arguments from last night by putting that link up here today Benny. Regardless of whether my deduction of Rodgers comments on Monday were correct or incorrect it won't matter a jot what Carroll wants or doesn't want in terms of his own future if Liverpool have decided to sell or farm him out on loan for a season in order to sell next summer.

[ethanr]

That's an actual statement from soccernet, a respected source with a straight quote.  The ***** they put out a few days ago didn't sound like Rogers was interested in getting rid at all, it was clearly twisted by the media.  It was Rogers complimenting him and essentially saying people will be interested in Carroll for the same reasons they will be interested in Suarez.

It looks like all the news has rattled Carroll if anything, and he wants to make sure he's at Liverpool next season.  He's on holiday right now so he's not sure what's happening at the club, but it seems like Rogers isn't really looking at getting rid, and he wants to give Andy his chance.

[Benny The Noon]

ESPN has now learnt that Carroll, 23, is determined to prove himself on Merseyside. A source said: "Andy is on holiday, and when he returns he is sure to seek clarification about his future with the new Liverpool manager.

"So there won't be anything for around ten days until that conversation takes place. It's all very well having discussions on the phone, but this requires a face to face.

"The feeling is that Andy won't leave Liverpool because he is proud to be a Liverpool player and wants to prove to the manager that he is capable of fitting into his system. It might be that the manager doesn't think Andy will fit in, but Andy wants to prove that he can.

"Andy knows he will get his chance, and when he does he wants to take it. So his immediate thoughts are to stay and prove himself capable of adapting to a new style of play. But it is early days, and we shall have to wait and see how it all unfolds."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... rs?cc=5901

I see Benny. So when I quote Rodgers two days ago at the press conference confirming that he would be prepared to send Carroll out on loan you say that it was all because of the spin I'm putting on it and because of the story has been dressed up by the BBC and the press.

Yet when you produce a link by an equally spurious source (ESPN and offside.com regularly get things wrong) about what Carroll wants and in terms of wanting to stay all on the authority of a 'source' I'm supposed to believe it and that's different.

You've just undermined your own arguments from last night by putting that link up here today Benny. Regardless of whether my deduction of Rodgers comments on Monday were correct or incorrect it won't matter a jot what Carroll wants or doesn't want in terms of his own future if Liverpool have decided to sell or farm him out on loan for a season in order to sell next summer.

Hold your horses pal.

I didn't say you had to believe what that report has said - I have posted it for information - its up to you what you believe.

But I can tell you now not once during the press conference I saw did Rodgers say that Carroll was available for loan - that is a fact.

[parchpea]

Not so much what Rodgers did say about Carroll but rather what he didnt.

He left the door wide open for speculation and potential interest by not
confirming he wants the lad to be part of his plans and from what we have
seen so far Rodgers wouldnt do that by mistake either.

[lakes10]

"Hold your horses pal.

I didn't say you had to believe what that report has said - I have posted it for information - its up to you what you believe."


now you know how i felt for a year during the take over pmsl

[friendlyguy33]

ESPN has now learnt that Carroll, 23, is determined to prove himself on Merseyside. A source said: "Andy is on holiday, and when he returns he is sure to seek clarification about his future with the new Liverpool manager.

"So there won't be anything for around ten days until that conversation takes place. It's all very well having discussions on the phone, but this requires a face to face.

"The feeling is that Andy won't leave Liverpool because he is proud to be a Liverpool player and wants to prove to the manager that he is capable of fitting into his system. It might be that the manager doesn't think Andy will fit in, but Andy wants to prove that he can.

"Andy knows he will get his chance, and when he does he wants to take it. So his immediate thoughts are to stay and prove himself capable of adapting to a new style of play. But it is early days, and we shall have to wait and see how it all unfolds."

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... rs?cc=5901

I see Benny. So when I quote Rodgers two days ago at the press conference confirming that he would be prepared to send Carroll out on loan you say that it was all because of the spin I'm putting on it and because of the story has been dressed up by the BBC and the press.

Yet when you produce a link by an equally spurious source (ESPN and offside.com regularly get things wrong) about what Carroll wants and in terms of wanting to stay all on the authority of a 'source' I'm supposed to believe it and that's different.

You've just undermined your own arguments from last night by putting that link up here today Benny. Regardless of whether my deduction of Rodgers comments on Monday were correct or incorrect it won't matter a jot what Carroll wants or doesn't want in terms of his own future if Liverpool have decided to sell or farm him out on loan for a season in order to sell next summer.

Hold your horses pal.

I didn't say you had to believe what that report has said - I have posted it for information - its up to you what you believe.

But I can tell you now not once during the press conference I saw did Rodgers say that Carroll was available for loan - that is a fact.

Thanks for posting it for information. Rodgers has stated publicly that Carroll could go on loan to another club even if he didn't state it at the press conference. Who's the mystery source on the ESPN link? John Henry perhaps? Dear me.

[Benny The Noon]

Not so much what Rodgers did say about Carroll but rather what he didnt.

He left the door wide open for speculation and potential interest by not
confirming he wants the lad to be part of his plans and from what we have
seen so far Rodgers wouldnt do that by mistake either.

He did leave it wide open for specualtion and gossip and rumours and they most certainly surfaced with his own clubs fans swallowing them whole. I expect Carroll is one of the players he needs to work with first to judge to see how things go. The problem is now everyone is taking these rumours in and expecting him gone yet it's be confirmed NO BID either selling or on loan has been received .

[friendlyguy33]

Not so much what Rodgers did say about Carroll but rather what he didnt.

He left the door wide open for speculation and potential interest by not
confirming he wants the lad to be part of his plans and from what we have
seen so far Rodgers wouldnt do that by mistake either.

He did leave it wide open for specualtion and gossip and rumours and they most certainly surfaced with his own clubs fans swallowing them whole. I expect Carroll is one of the players he needs to work with first to judge to see how things go. The problem is now everyone is taking these rumours in and expecting him gone yet it's be confirmed NO BID either selling or on loan has been received .

David Gold has said today that West Ham would be interested in Carroll. Suppose West Ham offer £15 million next week in time for Carroll's return from holiday and Liverpool accept it straightaway having not even given Carroll one pre-season start to prove himself let alone until the end of the window at the end of August. Will you come on here then and say that Rodgers still wants to work with him to see how it goes?

[Benny The Noon]

We went through all this last night - you have formed your theory and you believe reports that are written - despite not being said to all the other reporters in the conference.
Reports from a guy who said Sigurdsson was about to join the club and wasn't having a medical at Spurs.

[Benny The Noon]

Not so much what Rodgers did say about Carroll but rather what he didnt.

He left the door wide open for speculation and potential interest by not
confirming he wants the lad to be part of his plans and from what we have
seen so far Rodgers wouldnt do that by mistake either.

He did leave it wide open for specualtion and gossip and rumours and they most certainly surfaced with his own clubs fans swallowing them whole. I expect Carroll is one of the players he needs to work with first to judge to see how things go. The problem is now everyone is taking these rumours in and expecting him gone yet it's be confirmed NO BID either selling or on loan has been received .

David Gold has said today that West Ham would be interested in Carroll. Suppose West Ham offer £15 million next week in time for Carroll's return from holiday and Liverpool accept it straightaway having not even given Carroll one pre-season start to prove himself let alone until the end of the window at the end of August. Will you come on here then and say that Rodgers still wants to work with him to see how it goes?

West Ham also said they have had NO contact with either the club or the player.

I'm sure if you asked them if they would like Gerrard and they said yes that doesn't mean he is on his way there.

It's pure specualtion and you swallow it all.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

in todays echo it basically says rodgers doesnt see carroll as being part of a high energy dynamic pressing team and if we recieve an acceptable offer he can go.
thats fair enough, i`m dissappointed to see carroll go and i think he will do some damage in this league in the future but if the manager has a clear plan and carroll physically hasnt got the attributes to be part of it then as i say fair enough.
but at least replace him with someone with a bit of experience and proven ability. being realistic how many 21 year old`s come into the prem and rip up tree`s? especially one that hasnt even played 50 career games. the lad scored 10 goals in italy last season which is quite impressive for someone that inexperienced but it`s not the type of return thats going to fire us into the CL places. he may be a great player in the future but in the short term we seem to be going backwards.
we dont have the air about us of a club determined to reach the top of the game. we have got to chase down some powerful clubs and i`m not convinced we can do it buying £8m players here and £10m players there.

[parchpea]

Not so much what Rodgers did say about Carroll but rather what he didnt.

He left the door wide open for speculation and potential interest by not
confirming he wants the lad to be part of his plans and from what we have
seen so far Rodgers wouldnt do that by mistake either.

He did leave it wide open for specualtion and gossip and rumours and they most certainly surfaced with his own clubs fans swallowing them whole. I expect Carroll is one of the players he needs to work with first to judge to see how things go. The problem is now everyone is taking these rumours in and expecting him gone yet it's be confirmed NO BID either selling or on loan has been received .

I agree with you and nothing has happended and may not.

He will be pretty much out of most teams reach fee wise considering what we paid
and a loan is a poor solution for us in my opinion but Rodgers seemed much keener
on that than me.

What I would add is that I was surprised how he handled the question, and if he
didnt mean it to come across as invitation for interest then he has dropped his
first bollock by opening a media frenzy and creating a situation with and around
this player.

[Benny The Noon]

I agree Parch - this is his first f*ck up - he should of been a bit more careful with his words because they (he ) has created all this rumours.