The Alonso Thread - hands in transfer request

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Postby Bad Bob » Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:00 pm

This has got to be one of the strangest stories I've seen in the Echo--no author and no quotes so it's likely just a bunch of speculative nonsense.  Still, if there's any truth to it... ???

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Anfield's pain game

Aug 19 2008

by Liverpool Echo


OVER the weekend Rafa Benitez moved to deny claims in parts of the media that we was about to resign in fury after Liverpool’s owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett pulled the plug on the Gareth Barry transfer bid. Here Liverpool writer Tony Barrett examines the ongoing tensions behind the scenes at Anfield which have surfaced with the Liverpool boss again airing his long-held frustrations at the start of the new season.

Barry and Alonso

TO put it bluntly, if Rafa Benitez had had his way Gareth Barry would now be a Liverpool player and Xabi Alonso wouldn't.

The Reds boss was more than willing to sacrifice Alonso – and belatedly told him so – if it meant Liverpool would then be in a position to sign Barry.

But as the Barry deal dragged on without being concluded and Liverpool did not receive the big offers for Alonso which Benitez had hoped for, an unhealthy impasse was created which is still to be resolved.

The relationship between Benitez and Alonso has deteriorated, to the point where the pair had a bust up in the build up to the Champions League qualifier against Standard Liege.

Having previously been settled at Anfield, Alonso is now adamant he has to leave after learning that his manager no longer values him as highly as he once did.

The problem is, Liverpool have not had an offer which would allow them to do business and grant Alonso – and Benitez for that matter – his wish.

Both Juventus and Arsenal have expressed an interest but the figures mentioned by both clubs came nowhere near to meeting Liverpool's expectations.

The situation is complicated still further by the fact that the deal which brought Alonso to Anfield saw Liverpool guarantee his former club Real Sociedad 6m euros if he was sold for 16m euros or less.

Anything above that and a 20% sell on clause kicks in, making it almost impossible for Liverpool to sell Alonso for 16m euros or less and still claim to have done good business.

Meanwhile, Benitez remains desperate to sign Barry before the transfer window closes but, despite claims from the Reds boss that he has been assured by Tom Hicks that the necessary finance is in place, it is unclear as to whether or not this is the case.

Benitez to walk away?

DESPITE reports suggesting that the Reds boss had considered his position, resignation was never a serious possibility.

As well as the myriad of reasons given by Benitez in his denial of the stories, there are two other key factors which need to be taken into account.

Firstly, the days of top managers giving up on contracts which plough millions of pounds into their bank accounts every single year over a point of principle appear to be long gone.

Secondly, and more importantly, there is no chance of Benitez walking away while at loggerheads with Rick Parry as he would feel he had suffered a very public loss of face.

His frustration at the failure to sign Gareth Barry is there for all to see and there have been times during the past 10 days when it has even turned to exasperation but quitting has not been a consideration.

Conspiracy theorists have pointed to the fact that the "Benitez on brink of Liverpool exit" story first appeared on the home page of Spanish journalist Guillem Balague as evidence that the Reds boss had pulled a stunt to alert the world to how frustrated he had become.

But even his biggest critics agree that if this was the case, the timing was awful as not only did the story appear less than 24 hours before Liverpool's first game of the season, it also meant that Benitez's attempts to turn the spotlight on Parry at the pre-match press conference was rendered instantly futile.

Balague is a hugely respected journalist with excellent contacts throughout football and he stands by his story that Benitez had thought about quitting.

What is beyond doubt is that, even if this was the case, it was never a serious consideration.

The owners

NEITHER Tom Hicks nor George Gillett have gone public on the ongoing Gareth Barry situation despite the continuing fallout.

But privately, Gillett is fuming that Rafa Benitez has chosen to make his displeasure public about Barry not being a Liverpool player.

The American businessman and his son Foster were heavily involved in the bid to bring Barry to Anfield and believe the Reds boss has since overstepped the mark.

Hicks' position on the matter is less clear with Benitez having told the media at the weekend that the Texan has told him the money is in place to sign Barry despite the fact that no further offer for the player is imminent.

Significantly, Hicks and Gillett chose not to put their names to an official club statement insisting the £18m asking price for Barry was too high, preferring to leave it to go out in Parry’s name.

In effect, Parry was handed a smoking gun, in all likelihood because the owners feared any perceived lack of backing for Benitez would have a negative effect on their already negligible popularity among Liverpool's fans.

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Postby Sabre » Wed Aug 20, 2008 12:21 pm

The situation is complicated still further by the fact that the deal which brought Alonso to Anfield saw Liverpool guarantee his former club Real Sociedad 6m euros if he was sold for 16m euros or less.

Anything above that and a 20% sell on clause kicks in, making it almost impossible for Liverpool to sell Alonso for 16m euros or less and still claim to have done good business.



I'm in a position to claim this bit is not correct. Only the bit of 20% is correct.

The only (remaining) existing clause is the 20% on profit.

That is, if Alonso is sold for less than 16M€, RS will see zero, nil, zit.

If Liverpool receive 17M€ for him, then the profit is 1M, and RS would receive 200K€

That is, 20% of the profit, never assured 6M€. In fact, it would be very difficult to reach those 6M with the existing 20% clause.

As for the rest of the article, it's worrying because it comes from Liverpool Echo :(
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:09 pm

Very similar to the article I posted by Bascombe a few pages back Badbob, which leads me to believe the rumours about not only are there splits between members of the board and Rafa , but that there are splits with Journalists close to Liverpool as well.

Supposedly Bascombe and Barrett are being "fed" by Parry, while Balague, Reade, and Oliver Kay are supposedly being "fed " their stories by Rafa and people "close " to him.


I think Sabre is probably right in what he says about clauses, certainly I had never heard about a 20% sell on clause till Sabre posted it, so I believe him anyway.
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:13 pm

Rafael Benítez turns to Tom Hicks
Manager appeals to old adversary for support over bid for Barry
Oliver Kay

Rafael Benítez has turned to Tom Hicks for support as he struggles to revive his bid to sign Gareth Barry from Aston Villa. The Liverpool manager still hopes to sell Xabi Alonso and to recruit Barry, whom he has pursued since April, but continuing tensions behind the scenes at Anfield have led him to bypass Rick Parry, the chief executive, and go directly to Hicks, once his fiercest adversary, in the hope of finding a breakthrough.

BenÍtez briefly considered resigning after Hicks and George Gillett Jr, the co-owners, vetoed an earlier agreement with Villa over an £18 million deal for Barry. The manager’s long-term future remains precarious unless he can reach an understanding with Parry and the owners over a transfer strategy, but, as he refuses to give up on Barry, BenÍtez has pleaded with Hicks to support him in his pursuit of the England midfield player.

Alarmingly for BenÍtez, perhaps, Hicks and Gillett, having been at odds with each other for much of their 18-month tenure at Anfield, now appear to be united on this and certain other matters – a development that some at the club believe to be a short-term marriage of convenience as they look to secure their asset before resurrecting plans to sell.

BenÍtez has identified Hicks as his most likely ally in the continuing power struggle. “I was talking to Tom Hicks and he told me we have the money,” BenÍtez said after his team opened their Barclays Premier League campaign with a 1-0 win away to Sunderland on Saturday. “I was in contact with one of the owners [Hicks]. He was answering me. He was clear that we had some money and that, if we sell some players, we can buy some.” In order to finance a renewed bid for Barry, whom the owners consider overpriced, BenÍtez is prepared to sell Alonso, even though the Spain midfield player’s market value may have dropped since his participation in a Champions League qualifying match away to Standard Liège last week, which rendered him ineligible to play for another team in the competition. BenÍtez is also prepared to sell Steve Finnan, Jermaine Pennant, who is attracting strong interest from Blackburn Rovers, and Andriy Voronin, the Ukraine forward.



Alonso impressed as a substitute against Sunderland, but BenÍtez still plans to sell him, although neither Arsenal nor Juventus are willing to match BenÍtez’s valuation, which remains in the region of £16 million.
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Postby Fo Dne » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:33 pm

Number 9 wrote:Sabre if i was from San Sebatian would ya tell me i was beautiful?

Alonso needs to try harder...work harder,be better for the team and overall produce more in going forward!
He needs to put his head down an re produce the form he had in 05...LFC cannot have passengers...we are already carrying two Fu*king yanks!!

How you can say this about Xabi Alonso and then praise Dick Kuyt is a joke.

Kuyts a woeful player, Alonso's a top player. I'd rather have Alonso at 75% than Kuyt at 100% any day of the week.
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Postby Number 9 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 3:54 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
Number 9 wrote:Sabre if i was from San Sebatian would ya tell me i was beautiful?

Alonso needs to try harder...work harder,be better for the team and overall produce more in going forward!
He needs to put his head down an re produce the form he had in 05...LFC cannot have passengers...we are already carrying two Fu*king yanks!!

How you can say this about Xabi Alonso and then praise Dick Kuyt is a joke.

Kuyts a woeful player, Alonso's a top player. I'd rather have Alonso at 75% than Kuyt at 100% any day of the week.

If Alonso put as much effort in as Kuyt did for the team last term he would'nt be in this position now!
Im never gonna say Kuyts a world class player but he done well for us in the second part of last season as was an important player for the team.I admired his effort.

Im not gonna argue with anyone that (although a totally different type of player) Alonso is of better class than Kuyt but the fact is that he has'nt been doing it on the pitch for too long.
Hes at the age now where he SHOULD be in his prime.I would love to see the Alonso of old back as much as anyone.
I dont believe that Alonso has lost his class though and I cant see any other reason for his dip in form over that last 2 years other than lack of effort.
Maybe you could enlighten the forum as to why he looks half the player he used to...as I said i cant see any other reason other than he's not trying  hard enough.
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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Aug 20, 2008 4:18 pm

Fo Dne wrote:
Number 9 wrote:Sabre if i was from San Sebatian would ya tell me i was beautiful?

Alonso needs to try harder...work harder,be better for the team and overall produce more in going forward!
He needs to put his head down an re produce the form he had in 05...LFC cannot have passengers...we are already carrying two Fu*king yanks!!

How you can say this about Xabi Alonso and then praise Dick Kuyt is a joke.

???  You give people sh!t left, right and centre for using childish names like that.
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:53 pm

Alonso appears to have maintained his good early season form with 2 goals for Spain after coming on as a sub.
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Postby metalhead » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:03 pm

I heard he had a brilliant game
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Postby Sabre » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:03 pm

The first goals, assisted by Torres, and with a nice technical gesture that I won't try to explain in english -- I struggle to explain this things, rather will show you when it's available in youtube.

Torres despite not scoring was very lively, terrorised the Danish and looked sharp.
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Postby SupitsJonF » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:25 pm

I hope the transfer window closes already, so Rafa doesn't make a mistake by rushing to conclusions with Xabi.  He's been playing well, let's see how long it continues before throwing him out!
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Postby ruskiy playmaker » Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:25 am

s@int wrote:Alonso appears to have maintained his good early season form with 2 goals for Spain after coming on as a sub.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wMSmCsV4sI

Now this is the true Alonso.  I  hope he keeps on playing like this.
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Postby Sarge » Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:37 am

Watched last night's Spain performance

F*ck barry. Keep Alonso

'Nuff said.
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Postby LegBarnes » Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:44 am

Sarge wrote:Watched last night's Spain performance

F*ck barry. Keep Alonso

'Nuff said.

Yep i agree better the devil you know .  :D
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Postby RUSHIE#9 » Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:33 am

The Daily Mail

Barry for Arsenal: Wenger eyeing Villa star after Liverpool reject £10m Alonso bid

By Neil Ashton Last updated at 11:49 PM on 21st August 2008

Arsene Wenger confirmed Arsenal's interest in Aston Villa midfielder Gareth Barry after a move for Xabi Alonso collapsed.

Alonso had agreed personal terms on a move, but Wenger pulled out after Liverpool said Arsenal's £10million offer was not enough.

Barry, also a long-term Liverpool target, has already played for Villa in the UEFA Cup and is ineligible for the Champions League until February.

But Wenger will decide whether or not to move for the midfielder after the draw for the group stage next week.
Gareth Barry

In demand: Barry has also been courted by Liverpool, but could complete a move to the Emirates

The Arsenal manager said: 'There is interest in Gareth Barry, but I cannot say much more. Once someone plays in Europe it devalues a player for the season, but it doesn't necessarily mean you don't buy him.

'Barry is a good player, but the problem with players who are 27 or 28 is that you pay big money and then you get nothing back.'

Cheeky Feckers!! We're labelled as penniless cheapskates when we don't just bend over and pay what a club expects us to but come someone wanting our players a laughable bid is tabled.
Fair enough Wenger is trying to get a player for as little as possible, but £10m for a European championship winning player and one of your main rivals top midfielders is just insulting.

I think it has to be taken as either Arsenal trying to cash in on Rafa's apparent desperation to sign Barry or as a diversionary tactic whilst they nip in and grab Barry on the quiet.

If Rafa can clear the air with Coco then I think we must all call on him to do the same with Xabi. The lad is showing early signs of possibly finding his form again, he's looked good in pre-season and the first competitive games for us and had a blinder for Spain the other night. Rafa would be setting himself up to look an even bigger clown than Parry if he were to let Alonso go just as he returns to his best - especially to a big rival, that's one of the unwritten rules of football and good management.
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