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by **Effes** » Thu May 21, 2009 10:56 pm

GYBS wrote:Year Lge Cup Total

1981-82 32 17 3 3 49 30
1982-83 34 24 3 2 51 31
1983-84 41 32 2 2 65 47
1984-85 28 14 6 7 44 26
1985-86 40 22 8 6 56 33

1988-89 24 7 2 3 32 11
1989-90 36 18 8 6 48 26
1990-91 37 16 7 5 48 26
1991-92 18 4 5 1 31 9

Rushes record

That's the thing though when you try to compare Rush to other Liverpool strikers.

Look at his record with and without Dalglish.

He was also a flop at Juventus.

Imagine Fowler, Owen, Torres or Aldridge with Dalglish?

It's a tough call when you consider that - Owen and Fowler were all phenomenal when they broke onto the scene, but
they couldn't keep that form over the time that Rushie did.

Torres is a more complete player than Owen was; and may prove to be the best.

Im going for Folwer though with regard to the poll's question - i.e. the best finisher.

by **Reg** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:20 pm

GYBS wrote:Other Strikers Records

Hunt - 404 games - 245 goals
Keegan 230 games - 68 goals
Dalglish 515 games - 172 goals
Aldridge 83 Games - 50 Goals
Tosh - 246 games - 96 goals
Beardo - 131 games - 46 goals
Colleymore 63 games - 28 goals
Kuyt 103 games - 27 goals

I think I was the only one who said Tosh.

Some record eh?

People who voted Torres etc.. etc.. heh Mick? :eyebrow

by **bigmick** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:25 pm

Reg wrote:I think I was the only one who said Tosh.

Some record eh?

People who voted Torres etc.. etc.. heh Mick?

Well of course Toshack was a better player in his day than Torres is now, silly me for thinking otherwise :laugh:

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The outstanding record purely in goalscoring terms is John Aldridge in the modern era. He was playing in quite a good team though in fairness, as were most of the others. Also, many of the strikers in the list took penalities which I have long thought shouldn't be included in goalscorers stats.

Toshack though, it's an interesting opinion. Just out of interest Reg, you are taking the p!ss aren't you? I mean, you're not being serious like surely

by **Reg** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:33 pm

Anyone who can score 96 goals in 246 games gets in my team Mick.

They were all great players but it becomes a drag kissing the same :censored:

week in week out dont ya think?

by **112-1077774096** » Thu May 21, 2009 11:50 pm

ste123lfc wrote:You may jest at Dirk Kuyt, but in terms of a striker thats scored the most valuble goal, his in the last minute of the CL final qualifier against Liege must of earned the club millions.

well not really, if it wasn't for reina in that game we would have been out of it before then, also if he had not scored we were not going out, we were going to extra time and pens, people talk about that goal as if their memory is a little clouded and as though its the only reason we got through, thats a bit harsh on reina who made some important saves, in fact reina won us that game mate

by **bigmick** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:22 am

Reg wrote:Anyone who can score 96 goals in 246 games gets in my team Mick.

They were all great players but it becomes a drag kissing the same week in week out dont ya think?

Well I think it would be a drag kissing anyones erse even once, regardless of whether it was the same one you had to kiss the previous week.

I do understand though the desire to broaden the discussion a bit, to play devils advocate to the normal consensus. That said, I find it a drag on here sometimes when people take every opportunity to play down the contribution of people like Gerrard. You get the "stevie me" stuff, and you're called a Gerrard lover if you venture an opinion that he's actually quite good.

Similarly, some of us older supporters (which I'm guessing we both are) do have a tendency to constantly hark back to the old days, and the better players, whilst sometimes not giving credit where it's due to the current crop.

That's all I'm doing here, and I think in many ways my choosing of Torres over his illustrious predecessors is probably more controversial than many other peoples choices. Nothing to do with kissing anyones erse though, it's a football judgement.

by **Rorschach26** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:27 am

i think rush had a massive advantage playing in the team he did and with dalglish behind him so to compare goal scoring records is unfair

fowler and owen were amazing in their early years and injuries prevented them reaching their full potential

but i have to say torres is the most all round player out of all of them theres nothing the lad cant do and in time with more luck then hes had this season with injures he could well go on to be the best of the lot

by **stmichael** » Fri May 22, 2009 10:44 am

banana wrote:Rush, Aldridge, Hunt, Beardsley, King Kenny, Tosh, Torres

all of those above are great players.

Fowler, on the other hand, never was.

He played for the worst LFC team in the last 30 years in a time when english football sucked. England was never even close to qualifying for wc94 and english clubs were smacked in europe. Fowler never did anything in europe and was far behind players like Les Ferdinand, Ian Wright, Shearer, Sutton, Teddy Sheringham in the picking order for england.

Just making it real.

absolutely clueless

by **Owzat** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:41 pm

peewee wrote:
ste123lfc wrote:You may jest at Dirk Kuyt, but in terms of a striker thats scored the most valuble goal, his in the last minute of the CL final qualifier against Liege must of earned the club millions.

well not really, if it wasn't for reina in that game we would have been out of it before then, also if he had not scored we were not going out, we were going to extra time and pens, people talk about that goal as if their memory is a little clouded and as though its the only reason we got through, thats a bit harsh on reina who made some important saves, in fact reina won us that game mate

And you wonder why you get grief over Kuyt :rolleyes: Trying letting one go every now and then, and I don't mean farting

by **DrPepe** » Fri May 22, 2009 1:03 pm

peewee wrote:
ste123lfc wrote:You may jest at Dirk Kuyt, but in terms of a striker thats scored the most valuble goal, his in the last minute of the CL final qualifier against Liege must of earned the club millions.

well not really, if it wasn't for reina in that game we would have been out of it before then, also if he had not scored we were not going out, we were going to extra time and pens, people talk about that goal as if their memory is a little clouded and as though its the only reason we got through, thats a bit harsh on reina who made some important saves, in fact reina won us that game mate

what the f.uck? :wwww

by **Owzat** » Fri May 22, 2009 1:05 pm

stmichael wrote:
banana wrote:Rush, Aldridge, Hunt, Beardsley, King Kenny, Tosh, Torres

all of those above are great players.

Fowler, on the other hand, never was.

He played for the worst LFC team in the last 30 years in a time when english football sucked. England was never even close to qualifying for wc94 and english clubs were smacked in europe. Fowler never did anything in europe and was far behind players like Les Ferdinand, Ian Wright, Shearer, Sutton, Teddy Sheringham in the picking order for england.

Just making it real.

absolutely clueless

I have to agree, besides anything else the question was about our best striker and FA to do with England. Fowler was never given a (decent) run in the England side because Shearer and Sheringham were our two main strikers, then Owen and Shearer. Despite that he still scored seven goals in 26 appearances which is not bad for an irregular. Sutton and Ferdinand were nothing great for England, Ferdinand played LESS games for England and scored less goals. Not sure where the genius comment about Sutton came from, he played just ONCE for England (didn't he refuse to play a B international or something, or was that someone else?)

Even Ian Wright doesn't have quite the record some might think, he too suffered from the other strikers around during his career including Lineker. He scored 9 goals in 33 apps, not a huge amount better than Fowler's record and he too played when England "was never even close to qualifying for wc94". Plenty of top name strikers in the Premiership never have and never will convert that to success in an England shirt.

I think part of the problem was there was always Shearer and then Owen as 1st choice England striker, and the managers preferred to play a supporting striker like Sheringham and Heskey rather than another striker. You could also blame luck, his peak in seasons 94/95 to 96/97 coincided with Shearer being #1. By the time Shearer retired in 2000 it was Owen to the fore and Fowler was past his peak. I bet with ANY of the other home nations he'd have got 50+ caps and 20+ goals.

Fowler ranks FIFTH on our all time scorers list.

1. 346 goals - Ian Rush
2. 286 goals - Roger Hunt
3. 241 goals - Gordon Hodgson
4. 228 goals - Billy Liddell
5. 183 goals - Robbie Fowler
6. 172 goals - Kenny Dalglish
7. 158 goals - Michael Owen
8. 151 goals - Harry Chambers

Not sure how being in the "worst Liverpool side for 30 years" makes Fowler's record unimpressive, if anything you can argue that makes it even more impressive. Fowler is sixth in the list of Liverpool's top scorers in Europe with 14, wasn't he among our scorers in the UEFA Cup final against Alaves?

And FWIW, Toshack isn't even in the top 15 Liverpool scorers, nor is Beardsley and Torres is scoring fast but neither he nor Aldo are in the top 15 either.

On a side note, I notice Gerrard and Barnes are in the top 15.

by **DrPepe** » Fri May 22, 2009 1:10 pm

aye fowler came off the bench against Alaves and scored a cracker for what i thought would be the winner :down:

by **Octsky** » Fri May 22, 2009 2:50 pm

DrPepe wrote:aye fowler came off the bench against Alaves and scored a cracker for what i thought would be the winner

ya he dribbled past a few players in the box and "passed" the ball into the net. that is the big euro trophy that we have not won for decades. and the uefa cup at that period is not joke. we have to get past roma and barca.

sadly i nvr get to see Rush played but i know he holds the most goals scored in our club history. from the highlights i saw Ian Rush seems to be a great finisher, always full of composure, finishing with the sweet side foot instead of smashing the ball.

My vote is for fowler, great left foot, good with his head, torres come close but he's new.

by **112-1077774096** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:42 pm

Owzat wrote:
peewee wrote:
ste123lfc wrote:You may jest at Dirk Kuyt, but in terms of a striker thats scored the most valuble goal, his in the last minute of the CL final qualifier against Liege must of earned the club millions.

well not really, if it wasn't for reina in that game we would have been out of it before then, also if he had not scored we were not going out, we were going to extra time and pens, people talk about that goal as if their memory is a little clouded and as though its the only reason we got through, thats a bit harsh on reina who made some important saves, in fact reina won us that game mate

And you wonder why you get grief over Kuyt :rolleyes: Trying letting one go every now and then, and I don't mean farting

I would make the same comment whoever scored the goal, are you suggesting I am wrong? is that goal the ONLY reason we progressed in the CL?

sadly you have joined the forum idiots who miss the fact I have not slated kuyt for months and praised his improved performances, even the comment in the poll is a joke, you know J O K E, or do you only know what a joke is when its talking about someone's mother flashing her vagina

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