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by **lakes10** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:06 pm

so i think we know that Esau (now bad Loack) is Jacobs brother and if you read this then you wil;l start to see what i am saying, it was on the first part of last nights show, when he was cooking fish.

Esau :Genesis 25:29-34 shows him willingly selling his birthright to Jacob[1] in exchange for a "mess of pottage" (meal of lentils). Controversy has surrounded this scripture, in that some have noted that Esau may have been in danger of starving to death and was taken advantage of by Jacob in a vulnerable moment. Certainly, Jacob's refusal to share his food without exacting a high price from Esau is in conflict with Biblical principles for moral living such as charity and goodwill

by **mistyred** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:12 pm

lakes10 wrote:so i think we know that Esau (now bad Loack) is Jacobs brother and if you read this then you wil;l start to see what i am saying, it was on the first part of last nights show, when he was cooking fish.

Esau :Genesis 25:29-34 shows him willingly selling his birthright to Jacob[1] in exchange for a "mess of pottage" (meal of lentils). Controversy has surrounded this scripture, in that some have noted that Esau may have been in danger of starving to death and was taken advantage of by Jacob in a vulnerable moment. Certainly, Jacob's refusal to share his food without exacting a high price from Esau is in conflict with Biblical principles for moral living such as charity and goodwill

What? you lost me mate.

What i wanna know is why did Jacob lead the slave ship to the island (i guess that's what it was), but the other guy seemed so reluctant to have them there? as he said because they come and currupt.

Jacob doesn't sound at all rosy to me, and lastly who do you think is coming? (Jacobs last words).

by **lakes10** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:43 pm

mistyred wrote:
lakes10 wrote:so i think we know that Esau (now bad Loack) is Jacobs brother and if you read this then you wil;l start to see what i am saying, it was on the first part of last nights show, when he was cooking fish.

Esau :Genesis 25:29-34 shows him willingly selling his birthright to Jacob[1] in exchange for a "mess of pottage" (meal of lentils). Controversy has surrounded this scripture, in that some have noted that Esau may have been in danger of starving to death and was taken advantage of by Jacob in a vulnerable moment. Certainly, Jacob's refusal to share his food without exacting a high price from Esau is in conflict with Biblical principles for moral living such as charity and goodwill

What? you lost me mate.

What i wanna know is why did Jacob lead the slave ship to the island (i guess that's what it was), but the other guy seemed so reluctant to have them there? as he said because they come and currupt.

Jacob doesn't sound at all rosy to me, and lastly who do you think is coming? (Jacobs last words).

what you mean just like Moses led the Hebrew slaves out of Egypt, across the Red Sea, where they based themselves at Horeb

the link to the show of the Bible has got so strong its getting very clear.

Jacob is just another messenger from god, like Moses.

the more i look into it i find some of what i said might be wrong but only just a bit. bad Lock is Jacob brother (Esau )

Arron was set free by his mother just like Moses, so i take it that Arron as Moses but the real Arron as Moses had a brother called Arron....and a sister, i just wonder who the sister is...have we seen her yet? anyway i am sure Arron in some shape or form he will have something to do next year to lead more to the island or to lead them off the island but again i see it just ending up in the time loop.

by **lakes10** » Mon May 18, 2009 2:44 pm

by the way the Real Jacob has twelve sons and Benjamin is the youngest.

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Mon May 18, 2009 3:34 pm

lakes10 wrote:Arron was set free by his mother just like Moses, so i take it that Arron as Moses but the real Arron as Moses had a brother called Arron....and a sister, i just wonder who the sister is...have we seen her yet?

If there is a sister could it be Faraday's Mother??.. probably not because she has aged??

Arggghhh.. I'm answering my own questins now.

Just like to say I am a massive LOST fan.. and I have never read this thread before because i didnt want to see any spoilers, but I;ve really enjoyed the read.. Well in everyone!

by **Mikz** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:16 pm

Ive thought it had something to do with the Jacob and easau thing ever since I first heard the name Jacob, but I just didnt think it was a strong enough story to base it on.
If they are , who are the losties? other bible characters?
I doubt it lol plus they love playing with our heads, I mean the fish they were eating at the beginning of the finale?....yep red herring. :laugh:

by **mistyred** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:31 pm

I know what you mean now lakes, you have put some deep thought
in mate well done :nod

.

The more you explain it the clearer it seems to me, it would be fantastic if the show
was based upon the bible, maybe Jacob and the other guy are like Kane and Able.

I get the feeling this will be the best ending to a program since Supernatural (I Hope)

P.s what book was Jacob reading when locke fell
from the window, it had a dove of peace on it.

Oh and why was he sorry that this happened to locke did
Jacob make it happen? and did he get Nadia run over.

That was not a short sentence sorry.

by **lakes10** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:36 pm

Mikz wrote: Ive thought it had something to do with the Jacob and easau thing ever since I first heard the name Jacob, but I just didnt think it was a strong enough story to base it on.
If they are , who are the losties? other bible characters?
I doubt it lol plus they love playing with our heads, I mean the fish they were eating at the beginning of the finale?....yep red herring.

yep the fish thing i did find funny, but again are they playing with us....they dont know that we they they know that we know they know.............."Friends"

the bomb going off was meant to happen, thats why they can not have children on the island........well thats one way or did the bomb blow up the statue and since then the island stops women from having children?

oh well, i think thats me done for today, off to work then turn my mind to Ashes To Ashes tonight lol thats just as hard to work out.

by **lakes10** » Mon May 18, 2009 4:56 pm

mistyred wrote:I know what you mean now lakes, you have put some deep thought
in mate well done .

The more you explain it the clearer it seems to me, it would be fantastic if the show
was based upon the bible, maybe Jacob and the other guy are like Kane and Able.

I get the feeling this will be the best ending to a program since Supernatural (I Hope)

P.s what book was Jacob reading when locke fell
from the window, it had a dove of peace on it.

Oh and why was he sorry that this happened to locke did
Jacob make it happen? and did he get Nadia run over.

That was not a short sentence sorry.

I think his brother might have pushed lock, his brother seems to take over a body.

again His brother might have been in the car.

Lock has a lot to do with the show, i stated on the first year that his Name being Lock was a part of the plan, if you find who is the Key to the Lock or what the key is they you find the answer......or is Lock also the Key......and the Key to what or the Lock to what?.

got to love this show and now i late for work.

by **Bad Bob** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:24 pm

lakes10 wrote:
mistyred wrote:I know what you mean now lakes, you have put some deep thought
in mate well done .

The more you explain it the clearer it seems to me, it would be fantastic if the show
was based upon the bible, maybe Jacob and the other guy are like Kane and Able.

I get the feeling this will be the best ending to a program since Supernatural (I Hope)

P.s what book was Jacob reading when locke fell
from the window, it had a dove of peace on it.

Oh and why was he sorry that this happened to locke did
Jacob make it happen? and did he get Nadia run over.

That was not a short sentence sorry.

I think his brother might have pushed lock, his brother seems to take over a body.

again His brother might have been in the car.

Lock has a lot to do with the show, i stated on the first year that his Name being Lock was a part of the plan, if you find who is the Key to the Lock or what the key is they you find the answer......or is Lock also the Key......and the Key to what or the Lock to what?.

got to love this show and now i late for work.

Okay, I can agree that there is something Biblical swirling around the show, mate, but I don't think it's quite as literal as you're suggesting above with all the stuff on Moses, Aaron, Jacob and Esau. I'm certainly skeptical about the 10 Commandments connection you've hypothesized since Jacob seems so spectacularly unsuccessful in preventing key characters from breaking commandments and, just as importantly, seems so uninterested in actually convincing them not to sin in these ways (it's not like he implored Sayid not to kill, for instance).

As for John Locke, the obvious reference is to the philosopher John Locke...although what parallels there are between the philosopher and the Lostie I couldn't say.

One more thought on Jacob and his visits to various characters in the past. I find it interesting that he visited a bunch of people (Kate, Jack, Sun and Jin, Hurley, Sayid, Locke, Sawyer) but that some he visited before they crashed the first time and some before they returned to the island (Hurley and Sayid). Also, it's interesting that Ilana seemed to know Jacob when he visited her, whereas he was just some random stranger to the rest of them.

by **dawson99** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:40 pm

Jacob is fate.
He comes to the help of the losties when they are at there lowest.

Look at the 'course correcting' episode in season 5. It is saying something went wrong in the line of fate that needed correcting.

Jacob is Jacks grandfather I reckon and there is something about the items they HAVE to use (jacks dad's shoes, Lockes compass)

that's what I reckon anyways, not biblical, fate and karma

by **Madmax** » Tue May 19, 2009 2:50 am

Watched the finale and it was brill but yet confusing aswel. One theory i have about guy that talks about the loophole of trying to kill jacob. Has all this happened the plane crash, bringing locke back to the island etc only so the guy create a way to kill jacob? I think he has been building all this from day one just to get back at jacob. Maybe the loophole guy is the devil.
Also i think the black smoke is the loophole guy. He has the ability to change into dead people. Example being when ben and locke went to the temple and ben met his daughter. That was loopy telling ben do whatever locke tells you to do. Locke infact is loopy of course so his plan was going just as he wanted to.
Lakes has an interesting theory and one that makes me think. Can't wait for the next series.....

by **JoeTerp** » Tue May 19, 2009 3:05 pm

Madmax wrote:Watched the finale and it was brill but yet confusing aswel. One theory i have about guy that talks about the loophole of trying to kill jacob. Has all this happened the plane crash, bringing locke back to the island etc only so the guy create a way to kill jacob? I think he has been building all this from day one just to get back at jacob. Maybe the loophole guy is the devil.
Also i think the black smoke is the loophole guy. He has the ability to change into dead people. Example being when ben and locke went to the temple and ben met his daughter. That was loopy telling ben do whatever locke tells you to do. Locke infact is loopy of course so his plan was going just as he wanted to.
Lakes has an interesting theory and one that makes me think. Can't wait for the next series.....

it certainly seems like the ultimate game of cat and mouse. It will be interesting to see how far back the man in black was planning his move. Maybe there is one origin event waaaay farther back than we think that set all of these things into motion.

An interesting thing to think about is what is the origin of the compass that Locke and Alpert seem to be passing along to each other. It is in sort of this closed loop system and unless I missed something it comes out of nowhere (the person who has it got it from the previous person who told them to give it to the other person as proof).

One thing that might be a sign that Jacob is in fact a step ahead and not the loser of the game, is that he visited all the players off the island, and clearly it was for some kind of purpose. As of now, we don't have any evidence that the black shirt guy/smoke monster can influence things off the island or leave the island. Jacob was not shocked by what was happening and he practically encouraged Ben to stab him. Jacob doesn't seem like the type to get outwitted easily (Ben used to seem that way, but now he has sort of been exposed as a bit of a fraud when it comes to upper-level mind game evil planning)

by **Madmax** » Tue May 19, 2009 4:19 pm

Yeah for real its an interesting insight. This game that they are playing is something know one could have thought about. All the theories people created have been put aside.
It has become very confusing and yet interesting now. Maybe they both are aliens and have been living in the earth for centuries studying human nature. Jacob feels the human race is good whilst black shirt/smokey wants to kill them all!

by **Mikz** » Tue May 19, 2009 4:51 pm

The only game scenario I can think of is the Jacob and Easu thing, the way Jacob stole his birthright and the refusal to eat together etc Also the references to BAD TWIN
other references..
Esau became a strong and skillful hunter who loved the outdoors.

Jacob was a quiet man, who preferred to stay home.

After the birthright was stolen God told Esau :You will not have the richness of the earth,
The dew from heaven won’t be given to you.
You will have to live by taking,
and you will serve your brother.
But one day you will break free.”

The only statue reference i can think of is in Bethal they built statues as Gods and worshipped them and Jacob destroyed them or something alone them lines
:lookaround

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