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[Bad Bob]

im still thinking about it today, its that mindblowing. F*ckin love this show. You know what this isnt a spoiler free zone, WTF is up with Locke

you know what surprised me at the time but makes more sense now:

How both Ben and Richard were so surprised that Locke died and came back to life.  I wouldn't think something like that would come as any kind of shock to them as they have probably seen the island do some just as crazy things, but there is a running line in the show "dead is dead."

It's a good point, Joe.  They were clearly wigged out by it and that's very interesting.

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Upon further review, I've decided that I was a bit harsh on Lost this season.  The Locke story line has become fascinating again and that part of the finale was awesome.  My frustration was with the storyline revolving around Faraday, Jack and the bomb.  For me, Faraday dropped off the radar far too long and showed up far too abruptly with the blueprint for averting a disaster that no one knew was coming.  There wasn't any time to settle into that story line and buy into it as a big threat that needed everyone's full attention to address.  It was more like, all this other sh!t's going on but Faraday's back now and blathering on about The Swan and Jack's buying in...I wonder what they're getting worked up about?  

To make matters worse, IMO, the writers did an absolutely ham-handed job of sorting out how people would first oppose and then get on board with Jack's plan.  How many abrupt, inexplicable about-faces did we see in those last two episodes when it came to Jack's plan?  Sloppy story telling, IMO, with Juliet a real victim, given that she's been one of the more even-keeled and consistent characters on the show. Much as I didn't like how it unfolded, however, they seemed to get there in the end: as far as I can tell, the bomb contributed to making the magnetic field an issue at the Swan so it's in keeping with the season-long idea (a very cool idea, at that) that our characters are establishing the conditions for their later crash on the island by monkeying about in 1977.

One last note on Radzinsky.  I missed this but I read somewhere that we've heard his name before.  In Season 2, Kelvin explains to Desmond that he used to have a partner in the hatch but that his partner blew his brains out one day and Kelvin had to give him a rushed 107.5-minute burial.  Guess what that partner's name was? 

[JoeTerp]

i Knew it was familiar, and when we first see him, he is in that communications room, I wondered if he was that eye patch guy, and I was looking forward to seeing how his eye got all messed up, but I guess that eye patch guy was named something else. 

I too found it frustrating how much flip-flopping there was from Kate, Juliete, and Sawyer.  Also, Kate I think should be even more motivated to stop Jack because she would be going to jail if the plan goes off.


I do find it very strange that there was very little questioning of the Miles idea that maybe they are causing the accident. Especially with so much talk throughout about "you can't change the past"  But you would have thought somebody as smart as Faraday would have done his research on the incident or something.  ALthough maybe not because of what happened to him later.


What is crazy is how each season makes the previous season's issue seem soooooooooooooo insignificant. I mean how small time does opening the hatch look now? or getting off the hydra island?


The next season could take place in an alternate reality where all the characters are also oddly connected but in a different way and either lots of things are now going well and then there will be an evil force out there trying to re undo the past, or it will be even more to the sh.ite (pretty much nobody is having anything near a happy life right now) and it will be up to Desmond to save them all because the rules don't apply to him, and he likely will have to chose between Penny and everyone else or something like that

[Mikz]

Its brilliant !! I can just picture everyone watching this show with these facial expressions     

One thing always wondered about watching Lost was the way certain characters would suddenly change ..for instance Locke when he suddenly became hugely knowledgeable about the island. I think old smokey has been possessing them at times. Remember when Locke started hammering Charlie i just dont think that was Locke at all.
Come out Esau wherever youre hiding.

[Bad Bob]

Come out Esau wherever youre hiding.

Good shout, mate. 

[fivecups]

Generally agree with most of the comments above. Overall still loving this show and still think it's very clever. I'm not sure why they persist with the love stories they're just boring - the bit at the end was as bad as Titanic. Agree with Bob that the whole - lets follow Jach thing felt contrived and unbelievable - also his motivations for going back because he'd blown it with Kate, I don't buy it.

I'm intrigued by the Jacob/ nemesis plot - as usual loads more questions have been raised. Who is Jacob? Whats the loophole all about? Who is the guy who's taken over Locke and why does he want to kill Jacob? just to stop him bringing people to the island? Who built the statue? How was it destroyed? I'm still hooked.

[Bad Bob]

also his motivations for going back because he'd blown it with Kate, I don't buy it.

Totally forgot to comment on that bit...utter rubbish as an explanation. Sort it out, writers.

Who is the guy who's taken over Locke and why does he want to kill Jacob?

Google the name Mikz has mentioned above, mate--it might be a theory about our mystery man and his motivations.

[fivecups]

also his motivations for going back because he'd blown it with Kate, I don't buy it.

Totally forgot to comment on that bit...utter rubbish as an explanation. Sort it out, writers.

Who is the guy who's taken over Locke and why does he want to kill Jacob?

Google the name Mikz has mentioned above, mate--it might be a theory about our mystery man and his motivations.

Cheers - interesting!

[lakes10]

ok heres my take on it now


well for me it just makes me feel right that i said two years ago that the show was going down the 10 Commandments road. in this last show we see jacob stoping all the losties from breaking one of the Commandments

i am sure we will find out its something to do with the israelites fleeing egypt and thats why theu built the statue.


ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'


Islam (Submission to the will of God) is the same and only religion ever given to the human race. It is the religion of Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, Muhammed and all the other messengers mentioned or not mentioned in the scripture. The Ten Commandments as we see them here are not any more than the same message given to the prophet Muhammed


so if we take it that Jacob is just one of the messengers then was the the bad Lock Moses as Ben said?


to add more to this

Claire's role in all of this is she is the Mother of Arron, , Arron as Moses,


According to the Torah, Jochebed Hebrew; Yah is glory/"Yahweh is glory") was the mother of Aaron, Moses, and Miriam



Claire had to give up Arron to save him, the same as Moses was sent down the river to save him by his mother. its all a time loop.

[Bad Bob]

ok heres my take on it now


well for me it just makes me feel right that i said two years ago that the show was going down the 10 Commandments road. in this last show we see jacob stoping all the losties from breaking one of the Commandments

i am sure we will find out its something to do with the israelites fleeing egypt and thats why theu built the statue.


ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'


Islam (Submission to the will of God) is the same and only religion ever given to the human race. It is the religion of Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, Muhammed and all the other messengers mentioned or not mentioned in the scripture. The Ten Commandments as we see them here are not any more than the same message given to the prophet Muhammed


so if we take it that Jacob is just one of the messengers then was the the bad Lock Moses as Ben said?


to add more to this

Claire's role in all of this is she is the Mother of Arron, , Arron as Moses,


According to the Torah, Jochebed Hebrew; Yah is glory/"Yahweh is glory") was the mother of Aaron, Moses, and Miriam



Claire had to give up Arron to save him, the same as Moses was sent down the river to save him by his mother. its all a time loop.

Whoah, hold up, mate.  Could you explain some of that a little bit more clearly please?  Starting with the idea that Jacob stopped key characters from breaking commandments.  Besides the Kate shoplifting incident (in which he didn't so much stop her as get her off the hook) I can't think of how it applies.  Unless, giving Jack a candy bar is related.   And, if he was really about stopping them breaking commandments, wouldn't he have prevented Kate from killing her stepdad instead of lifting a lunch box? 

[GYBS]

Has it finished then ? are they still lost ? or are they in the lost and found department in a shop ??

[mistyred]

Lakes you are deep my friend, Deep but interesting

Good theories, i would love it to be true, guess we'll find out next year.

[lakes10]

ok heres my take on it now


well for me it just makes me feel right that i said two years ago that the show was going down the 10 Commandments road. in this last show we see jacob stoping all the losties from breaking one of the Commandments

i am sure we will find out its something to do with the israelites fleeing egypt and thats why theu built the statue.


ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'


Islam (Submission to the will of God) is the same and only religion ever given to the human race. It is the religion of Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, Muhammed and all the other messengers mentioned or not mentioned in the scripture. The Ten Commandments as we see them here are not any more than the same message given to the prophet Muhammed


so if we take it that Jacob is just one of the messengers then was the the bad Lock Moses as Ben said?


to add more to this

Claire's role in all of this is she is the Mother of Arron, , Arron as Moses,


According to the Torah, Jochebed Hebrew; Yah is glory/"Yahweh is glory") was the mother of Aaron, Moses, and Miriam



Claire had to give up Arron to save him, the same as Moses was sent down the river to save him by his mother. its all a time loop.

Whoah, hold up, mate.  Could you explain some of that a little bit more clearly please?  Starting with the idea that Jacob stopped key characters from breaking commandments.  Besides the Kate shoplifting incident (in which he didn't so much stop her as get her off the hook) I can't think of how it applies.  Unless, giving Jack a candy bar is related.   And, if he was really about stopping them breaking commandments, wouldn't he have prevented Kate from killing her stepdad instead of lifting a lunch box? 

lol right ok

he gave Sawyer a pen for him to make the letter, the letter that he had with him all the time but never acted on it. he did not do the Murder

Jack.....'Honor your father and your mother

Sun..........You shall not commit adultery  (but did)

Hurley.......'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.   (he think he has done some sort of deal for things to go wrong but has not)

Sayid .......You shall not murder, (well he did)

all of them have have doing something or were going to do somthing they should not have done.


If we look at the real Aaron, Moses was his brother and Miriam, have a read of this and try to look at it as the plot to lost.


In the Bible, Aaron (Hebrew: אַהֲרֹן‎ Ahāron, Arabic: هارون‎ Hārūn), or Aaron the Levite (אהרֹן הלוי), was the brother of Moses. .(Exodus 6:16-20)[1] and represented the priestly functions of his tribe, becoming the first High Priest of the Hebrews. While Moses was receiving his education at the Egyptian royal court and during his exile among the Midianites, Aaron and his sister remained with their kinsmen in the eastern border-land of Egypt (Goshen). He there gained a name for eloquent and persuasive speech; so that when the time came for the demand upon the Pharaoh to release Israel from captivity, Aaron became his brother’s "nabi", or spokesman, to his own people (Exodus 4:16)[2] and, after their unwillingness to hear, to the Pharaoh himself (Exodus 7:9).[3] He is said to have flourished about 1200 BC (traditionally 1597 BC).

[burjennio]

he gave Sawyer a pen for him to make the letter, the letter that he had with him all the time but never acted on it. he did not do the Murder

he did do the murder, The real Sawyer was Lockes father, who appeared on the island and Locke was told by Richard to kill him, but he couldnt bring himself to so he convinced Sawyer to do it instead, revealing him to be the man in question

[mistyred]

he gave Sawyer a pen for him to make the letter, the letter that he had with him all the time but never acted on it. he did not do the Murder

he did do the murder, The real Sawyer was Lockes father, who appeared on the island and Locke was told by Richard to kill him, but he couldnt bring himself to so he convinced Sawyer to do it instead, revealing him to be the man in question

Nice one, Damn you have a good memory 

[lakes10]

he gave Sawyer a pen for him to make the letter, the letter that he had with him all the time but never acted on it. he did not do the Murder

he did do the murder, The real Sawyer was Lockes father, who appeared on the island and Locke was told by Richard to kill him, but he couldnt bring himself to so he convinced Sawyer to do it instead, revealing him to be the man in question

yes but that was once the was on the island, they were picked by Jacob to go to the island, I am stoping short of saying the island is the god but there seems to have links in that way.

once you are on the island you get tested for your sins or made better if you are ill.