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by **Scottbot** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:24 am

Kharhaz wrote:I smoke and wont quit. And i'll tell you why. Why do many people quit? because they are told its bad for them. Im in a good position, I have seen old people (through my missus) who live through a variety of ages, 72 (her dad, who smoked), 42 (her cousin, who didnt smoke), 86 (her aunty, didnt smoke but worked in a nursing home were old people constantly smoked), 84 (another aunty who did smoke) and all through cancer. My attitude is this, im going to die of cancer. Whether or not it is my doing it is the common killer. One way or another we will die around the 70-80 mark unless we are really unlucky. Barry, dont feel guilty about sneaking in a couple of ciggys, unless all our charitible contributions towards cancer research result in seeing some kind of result, we are all going the same way. Its nature who decides, not us, and not whether or not we quit smoking that determines that. If it was as black and white as that, why dont we ban all kinds of transport with the gasses released from the engines and exhausts that also cause cancer? smoking is a no but bus faires can be raised and cause the same effect? Dont feel guilty, live life to the fullest, when you go you will have no say in it regardless. Just ask Roy Castle.

I've got a few mates who have a pretty similar outlook on things and i can fully understand that BUT (and it's quite a big but for me) I don't know of so many non-smokers out there who die of lung cancer. Now I don't know about anyone else but apart from our own DrummerPhil had to go through (bless his soul) It's lung cancer that would scare me the most. I never use to think about it much but the last couple of my years it's played on my mind a bit.

Anyways, not sure this is the best convo to be having before bed!

Night All

by **Kharhaz** » Fri May 15, 2009 1:29 am

Scottbot wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:I smoke and wont quit. And i'll tell you why. Why do many people quit? because they are told its bad for them. Im in a good position, I have seen old people (through my missus) who live through a variety of ages, 72 (her dad, who smoked), 42 (her cousin, who didnt smoke), 86 (her aunty, didnt smoke but worked in a nursing home were old people constantly smoked), 84 (another aunty who did smoke) and all through cancer. My attitude is this, im going to die of cancer. Whether or not it is my doing it is the common killer. One way or another we will die around the 70-80 mark unless we are really unlucky. Barry, dont feel guilty about sneaking in a couple of ciggys, unless all our charitible contributions towards cancer research result in seeing some kind of result, we are all going the same way. Its nature who decides, not us, and not whether or not we quit smoking that determines that. If it was as black and white as that, why dont we ban all kinds of transport with the gasses released from the engines and exhausts that also cause cancer? smoking is a no but bus faires can be raised and cause the same effect? Dont feel guilty, live life to the fullest, when you go you will have no say in it regardless. Just ask Roy Castle.

I've got a few mates who have a pretty similar outlook on things and i can fully understand that BUT (and it's quite a big but for me) I don't know of so many non-smokers out there who die of lung cancer. Now I don't know about anyone else but apart from our own DrummerPhil had to go through (bless his soul) It's lung cancer that would scare me the most. I never use to think about it much but the last couple of my years it's played on my mind a bit.

Anyways, not sure this is the best convo to be having before bed!

Night All

Dont get me wrong, it scares me also. Any form of cancer but my opinion is, whatever form, your going to get it. And your going to die from it. My opinion is, and I will get people who will disagree with it but simply, enjoy what your doing. Whatever you decide for the good of your health, the simple fact is, none of us are in control of what is actually going to kill us, and cancer is the common one. Old age being the second. Take a risk, enjoy yourself!

by **Number 9** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:18 am

Scottbot wrote:
Number 9 wrote:I had 3 ciggys!!

So hard to actual stop..I feel like a real looser now!
Im always gonna be addicted to something!

That's the real challenge though mate, most people quit, then start up again, feel terrible, submit to it all and then simply go back to smoking full on again, pushing all the thoughts of giving up to one side for another year or so. I should know, I've done it enough times! Buy that book and read it mate, seriously, it's very good.

Feel like a real kunt this morning now!!
Came down and there they were 7 of them in a box smiling at me..if they could talk they would say we won!!

Well they are broke up and in the bin now..wee bast'ards!
Going back on the patches today..will deffo look out for that book later mate,will order it online!!

by **Scottbot** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:35 am

Kharhaz wrote:Dont get me wrong, it scares me also. Any form of cancer but my opinion is, whatever form, your going to get it. And your going to die from it. My opinion is, and I will get people who will disagree with it but simply, enjoy what your doing. Whatever you decide for the good of your health, the simple fact is, none of us are in control of what is actually going to kill us, and cancer is the common one. Old age being the second. Take a risk, enjoy yourself!

The thing with the smoking is, you're not actually enjoying yourself though are we? That's all a big illusion and we've been well and truly suckered in. That first cigarette tasted bloody horrible, same goes for the next few, in fact , quite often they taste pretty rank. There's no enjoy in it anywhere, we're all just drug addicts, plain and simple really.

by **Judge** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:50 am

Number 9 wrote:I had 3 ciggys!!

So hard to actual stop..I feel like a real looser now!
Im always gonna be addicted to something!

there is only one ciggy

by **Sabre** » Fri May 15, 2009 7:52 am

Number 9 wrote:
SouthCoastShankly wrote:Being a non-smoker I must admit I find it really hard to comprehend smoking 20+ a day.

Is it ignorance that keeps smokers doing it? Or it is not caring that your improving that death wish with every fag?

Not having a go, just interested in what goes through the mind of a smoker?

Its very addictive mate and hard to stop,its that simple!

Plus its enjoyable too..Im sure that is hard for someone who has never smoked to believe,considering they stink!

2 weeks now I aint smoked and Im still dying for one..starting to think it will never go away!

I'm reading book Carr's book again. It worked for many friends, and this time it will work for me too, because unlike some years ago, I now want to quit.

The book strongly advices to keep smoking while you read it.

The book destroys the notion that smoke makes your life things more enjoyable.

In my last holidays I went with the missus to a remodeled pub in my village, and it's a bit separated from the rest of the pubs. I reached there and I had no tobacco, and there wasn't tobacco to buy in the new pub. I felt like a cúnt, because I wasn't enjoying a coffee that otherwise I would be enjoying. All because fúcking tobacco. My missus understands it's a drug, but I felt like a cúnt anyway. It makes you feel like a junkie when you leave home at 12 am because you realise you don't have tobacco.

The point is the book destroys the notion that smoke makes the things you do more enjoyable. It's quite the opposite. The book calls the push to smoke as the monster. Let's see if I can find that book for you in PDF. It has worked with many people.

by **JC_81** » Fri May 15, 2009 8:03 am

Kharhaz wrote:I smoke and wont quit. And i'll tell you why. Why do many people quit? because they are told its bad for them. Im in a good position, I have seen old people (through my missus) who live through a variety of ages, 72 (her dad, who smoked), 42 (her cousin, who didnt smoke), 86 (her aunty, didnt smoke but worked in a nursing home were old people constantly smoked), 84 (another aunty who did smoke) and all through cancer. My attitude is this, im going to die of cancer. Whether or not it is my doing it is the common killer. One way or another we will die around the 70-80 mark unless we are really unlucky. Barry, dont feel guilty about sneaking in a couple of ciggys, unless all our charitible contributions towards cancer research result in seeing some kind of result, we are all going the same way. Its nature who decides, not us, and not whether or not we quit smoking that determines that. If it was as black and white as that, why dont we ban all kinds of transport with the gasses released from the engines and exhausts that also cause cancer? smoking is a no but bus faires can be raised and cause the same effect? Dont feel guilty, live life to the fullest, when you go you will have no say in it regardless. Just ask Roy Castle.

That's the daftest thing I think I ever heard.

One in five smokers WILL get lung cancer, and you are ten times more likely to get it if you are a smoker rather than a non-smoker. Once you get it it's incurable and you're talking on average 6 months to live. It spreads to your bone (excruciating pain), brain (almost like you've had a stroke), liver (which can cause you to bleed from any orifice), everywhere and chemotherapy, radiotherapy or even those few amenable to surgery (which are all horrible experiences in themselves) only buy you a bit of extra time.

It is also the leading risk factor for heart disease and the second leading risk factor for strokes (after high blood pressure). You're also at risk of chronic bronchitis/emphysema which will eventually kill you and make your lungs unfit for any anaesthetic (if you ever needed an operation for something else) and you're at risk of kidney cancer, bladder cancer, ulcerative colitis etc etc etc.

Of course you will get some smokers who live long and some non-smokers that won't, but don't let that fool you. The statistics are overwhelming.

The good news is that if you quit around the age of 30, all of these risks decrease rapidly by the year and by the time you're older, most of these risks fall to being about the same risk as someone who hasn't smoked.

Barry, you're at the right age mate, fu.cking knock it in the head now, whatever it takes.

By the way, if this post offends anyone it's not intended, but if it convinces just one of you to stop it's worth it.

by **Judge** » Fri May 15, 2009 8:27 am

not everyone who gets lung cancer dies!!

you can google those who have survived lung cancer, unless you are talking about those who left it too late of course

by **JC_81** » Fri May 15, 2009 8:36 am

Judge wrote:not everyone who gets lung cancer dies!!

you can google those who have survived lung cancer, unless you are talking about those who left it too late of course

Of course everyone who gets lung cancer dies. Everyone dies.

I presume you mean not everyone who gets lung cancer will die from it. I'll come back to that, have to go to work.

by **Judge** » Fri May 15, 2009 8:57 am

ney probs john

by **Judge** » Fri May 15, 2009 9:00 am

website

those stats do not include my auntie who has been in remission for 10yrs now

however, you are technically correct john, but 7% will survive 5yrs or so

by **Mikz** » Fri May 15, 2009 9:48 am

Ffs dont be so miserable ! Light up enjoy yer life

by **Judge** » Fri May 15, 2009 9:58 am

Mikz wrote:Ffs dont be so miserable ! Light up enjoy yer life

cough cough cough splutter cough

by **Number 9** » Fri May 15, 2009 4:48 pm

Scottbot wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:Dont get me wrong, it scares me also. Any form of cancer but my opinion is, whatever form, your going to get it. And your going to die from it. My opinion is, and I will get people who will disagree with it but simply, enjoy what your doing. Whatever you decide for the good of your health, the simple fact is, none of us are in control of what is actually going to kill us, and cancer is the common one. Old age being the second. Take a risk, enjoy yourself!

The thing with the smoking is, you're not actually enjoying yourself though are we? That's all a big illusion and we've been well and truly suckered in. That first cigarette tasted bloody horrible, same goes for the next few, in fact , quite often they taste pretty rank. There's no enjoy in it anywhere, we're all just drug addicts, plain and simple really.

First one last night was like heaven mate..although it made me dizzy!The other 2 were not really enjoyable one bit!
Aint smoked all day,back on the patches..The girl in the chemist says to keep on the patches for 8 weeks!!
8 feckin weeks!

by **Judge** » Fri May 15, 2009 5:16 pm

it gets easier baz

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