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[Kharhaz]

I smoke and wont quit. And i'll tell you why. Why do many people quit? because they are told its bad for them. Im in a good position, I have seen old people (through my missus) who live through a variety of ages, 72 (her dad, who smoked), 42 (her cousin, who didnt smoke), 86 (her aunty, didnt smoke but worked in a nursing home were old people constantly smoked), 84 (another aunty who did smoke) and all through cancer. My attitude is this, im going to die of cancer. Whether or not it is my doing it is the common killer.  One way or another we will die around the 70-80 mark unless we are really unlucky. Barry, dont feel guilty about sneaking in a couple of ciggys, unless all our charitible contributions towards cancer research result in seeing some kind of result, we are all going the same way. Its nature who decides, not us, and not whether or not we quit smoking that determines that. If it was as black and white as that, why dont we ban all kinds of transport with the gasses released from the engines and exhausts that also cause cancer? smoking is a no but bus faires can be raised and cause the same effect? Dont feel guilty, live life to the fullest, when you go you will have no say in it regardless. Just ask Roy Castle.

That's the daftest thing I think I ever heard. 

One in five smokers WILL get lung cancer, and you are ten times more likely to get it if you are a smoker rather than a non-smoker.  Once you get it it's incurable and you're talking on average 6 months to live.  It spreads to your bone (excruciating pain), brain (almost like you've had a stroke), liver (which can cause you to bleed from any orifice), everywhere and chemotherapy, radiotherapy or even those few amenable to surgery (which are all horrible experiences in themselves) only buy you a bit of extra time.

It is also the leading risk factor for heart disease and the second leading risk factor for strokes (after high blood pressure). You're also at risk of chronic bronchitis/emphysema which will eventually kill you and make your lungs unfit for any anaesthetic (if you ever needed an operation for something else) and you're at risk of kidney cancer, bladder cancer, ulcerative colitis etc etc etc.

Of course you will get some smokers who live long and some non-smokers that won't, but don't let that fool you.  The statistics are overwhelming.

The good news is that if you quit around the age of 30, all of these risks decrease rapidly by the year and by the time you're older, most of these risks fall to being about the same risk as someone who hasn't smoked.

Barry, you're at the right age mate, fu.cking knock it in the head now, whatever it takes.

By the way, if this post offends anyone it's not intended, but if it convinces just one of you to stop it's worth it.

How is it the daftest? A large majority of people will die from cancer. Its a fact. Many people in many families have died because of it. In the many forms it has the fact is people have died from cancer.

You are right though about smoking. It doesnt help, but im too stubborn to change my view on this one. It would wee wee me off big time if I eventually gave up cigarettes only to get a cancer of a different form. So right or wrong, im going to continue to smoke, and eat red meat, and drink milk, and beer and all the rest as it sure beats living a long life with sod all to enjoy to the end compared to a shorter one enjoying the basics that life offers.

[Kharhaz]

Heres an article:

The World Today - Thursday, 19 March , 2009  12:42:00
Reporter: Sara Everingham
ELEANOR HALL: Now to some surprising research on lung cancer. While smoking rates in Australia are on the decline, the latest figures show that the number of deaths from lung cancer is rising.

Many of the victims are people who gave up smoking decades ago and some are young people who've never smoked in their lives.

Sara Everingham has our report.

SARA EVERINGHAM: In 2005 Sue Pusey's son Matthew was diagnosed with lung cancer.

SUE PUSEY: We were absolutely devastated.

SARA EVERINGHAM: She says her son had never smoked, lived a healthy lifestyle, ate well and exercised. He survived with the disease for just over three years and died in November last year. He was 31.

SUE PUSEY: Questions were asked why if had never smoked in his life, how could you get lung cancer?

SARA EVERINGHAM: Cancer experts say anecdotally cases like Matthew Pusey's seem to be increasingly common.

William Darbishire is the CEO of the Australian Lung Foundation.

WILLIAM DARBISHIRE: It seems to us maybe because we're more active that there are more and more never-smokers appearing, yes, and particularly women.

SARA EVERINGHAM: Do we have any idea what can cause lung cancer in people who've never smoked?

WILLIAM DARBISHIRE: There's no scientific evidence. We've seen a particular increase in the number of young Asian women falling to lung cancer, never-smokers. You know, you could perhaps say well that might subsidiary smoking or secondary smoking, but that's not proven.

SARA EVERINGHAM: What is known is that overall deaths from lung cancer are on the rise.

William Darbishire again.

WILLIAM DARBISHIRE: In 2007 the ABS stats came out yesterday and there's now 7,623 Australians dying of the disease. You know there's more women being killed by lung cancer now than any other cancer.

SARA EVERINGHAM: And most people who die from lung cancer are former smokers. Associate Professor Matthew Peters is from the Cancer Council.

MATTHEW PETERS: What we're seeing now is 10 per cent more lung cancer deaths in women than breast cancer deaths. It's really a legacy of past decades of smoking.

SARA EVERINGHAM: Whatever the cause of their lung cancer, William Darbishire says patients often feel unfairly stigmatised.

WILLIAM DARBISHIRE: Everyone's being put into this category, it's well you know almost if you've got lung cancer you deserve it because you've been a smoker.

But you know some people have given up 20-odd, 30 years ago and then it's sort of coming back to haunt them. And that's also creating what we characterise as a stigma in people who've been diagnosed and people aren't seeking treatment because they're thinking, oh well I deserve it, which is you know, nobody deserves lung cancer.

SARA EVERINGHAM: While lung cancer rates are on the rise they will eventually fall in line with the drop in the number of people smoking. Even so Matthew Peters argues those with lung cancer now need more help.

MATTHEW PETERS: Projections are for the next 20 years at least, lung cancer will still be the number-one cause of cancer death in our community.

So in these 20 years and even beyond that, we've got to start working not just on prevention which we've done a good job with, but we need to improve better treatment and also better support.

You know a woman with lung cancer should expect the equivalent of a breast cancer nurse, but a woman with lung cancer won't get a lung cancer nurse to help her in her passage through this difficult problem.

So matching the sort of intense overall management that breast cancer patients get, which they should get, for lung cancer patients would be a welcome change.

ELEANOR HALL: That's Associate Professor Matthew Peters from the Cancer Council ending Sara Everingham's report.

Link: ABC

What I am saying is true, as harsh as it is, the fact is many of us will die from cancer, and whether or not you choose to smoke doesnt make a jot of difference.  The future holds one thing for sure, we will get cancer, and we will die from it. I choose to enjoy the simplicity of life. I will smoke and enjoy my food, I will hate Davina McCall and I will enjoy reading this forum. But one thing I acknowledge, the chances of me dying from cancer are pretty high, and I will enjoy the basics I have. If that makes me foolish then by all means, im the biggest idiot here, but im enjoying being that idiot. Imagine on your deathbed, "I GAVE UP SMOKING!" compared to my "gimme a can of beer, one fag and im outta here !" Im guessing I will have a lasting effect. My little speech will have a bigger effect than most.

[Homebooby]

Never smoked myself, but have watched lots of friends go through the same process that you are all describing here. From an outsiders perspective, the people who I have seen be successful are simply those that are the most determined. You can almost smell it on them when they tell you what they are doing. I have always interpreted that they are the ones who have won the psychological battle before they start. The ones who fail are the ones who aren't too sure, but are giving it a try because they think they ought to, or are getting grief from others.

I think the reality is, like with anything else, if you want it enough, you'll do it, if you don't then it will continue to be a problem. There lies the rub, too many smokers love it...either for the timeouts it provides, the relaxation, the nerve calming in awkward social situations, or indeed in stressful situations and the major killer..just the habit itself, what to do with the time you would normally spend smoking.

In general one habit is replaced by another and that is why people put on weight as food comes into the equation, one because the appetite suppression isn't there any more and 2 because you're always looking for something to do. I think the key is to find something that you enjoy that benefits you for not smoking...i.e running. Hopefully the one will trade off against the other. Alternatively there is always chronic masturbation to turn too 

The thing that has surprised me is how long it keeps a grip on you. I know several people who stopped for years and then all of a sudden started again. In most cases it was some sort of shock to the system (death in the family etc) and they reached for the old crutch, just for a little while and they're hooked worst than before and hating themselves even more for it.

You all have my support on this one, especially as I am not sure if I would be able to do it myself.

[dawson99]

Well some of us enjoy smoking, believe it or not.
I love a cigarette... and don';t see why pubs won't let you smoke, there should at least be some pubs where you can... fecking nanny state gone too far.

Now I'm off for some of that sweet sweet nicotine

[Judge]

i stopped along time ago now. it was difficult, but made the decision and feel better for it. however, i did have few smokes just after my dad died, but none since

[ashgray2]

Stop smoking!
Smoking can kill us. Cancer is one output of smoking.
You can't deny it. So stop smoking guy's.
There are lot of things to do, so if you smoke so hard, you can't make it attain your goal cause your dead!


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My Games, Health Tips

[Number 9]

I smoke and wont quit. And i'll tell you why. Why do many people quit? because they are told its bad for them. Im in a good position, I have seen old people (through my missus) who live through a variety of ages, 72 (her dad, who smoked), 42 (her cousin, who didnt smoke), 86 (her aunty, didnt smoke but worked in a nursing home were old people constantly smoked), 84 (another aunty who did smoke) and all through cancer. My attitude is this, im going to die of cancer. Whether or not it is my doing it is the common killer.  One way or another we will die around the 70-80 mark unless we are really unlucky. Barry, dont feel guilty about sneaking in a couple of ciggys, unless all our charitible contributions towards cancer research result in seeing some kind of result, we are all going the same way. Its nature who decides, not us, and not whether or not we quit smoking that determines that. If it was as black and white as that, why dont we ban all kinds of transport with the gasses released from the engines and exhausts that also cause cancer? smoking is a no but bus faires can be raised and cause the same effect? Dont feel guilty, live life to the fullest, when you go you will have no say in it regardless. Just ask Roy Castle.

That's the daftest thing I think I ever heard. 

One in five smokers WILL get lung cancer, and you are ten times more likely to get it if you are a smoker rather than a non-smoker.  Once you get it it's incurable and you're talking on average 6 months to live.  It spreads to your bone (excruciating pain), brain (almost like you've had a stroke), liver (which can cause you to bleed from any orifice), everywhere and chemotherapy, radiotherapy or even those few amenable to surgery (which are all horrible experiences in themselves) only buy you a bit of extra time.

It is also the leading risk factor for heart disease and the second leading risk factor for strokes (after high blood pressure). You're also at risk of chronic bronchitis/emphysema which will eventually kill you and make your lungs unfit for any anaesthetic (if you ever needed an operation for something else) and you're at risk of kidney cancer, bladder cancer, ulcerative colitis etc etc etc.

Of course you will get some smokers who live long and some non-smokers that won't, but don't let that fool you.  The statistics are overwhelming.

The good news is that if you quit around the age of 30, all of these risks decrease rapidly by the year and by the time you're older, most of these risks fall to being about the same risk as someone who hasn't smoked.

Barry, you're at the right age mate, fu.cking knock it in the head now, whatever it takes.

By the way, if this post offends anyone it's not intended, but if it convinces just one of you to stop it's worth it.

All true!
And Im off em again,but slipped up on Sat cause was out in the Pub!!

[Igor Zidane]

The feckin ale Barry lad , every time .

Promised me judy i'm giving it another go after pay day (end of may ) . Anyway so here's my plan .

I'm going to an engagement doo on the 30th may . So i'm gonna get absolutely sh!tfaced and smoke as many bifters in one night as is humanely possible. Ok (only smokers will get onto this ) you know the morning after when you think that you should have a ciggy and it's the worst thing you can do for your hangover. Well i can quite easily go all day without a fag the next day ,so i'll just do that and start chonging on the inhalator the day after or when i start to really want one .. Now is that a plan or what?

[Effes]

you know the morning after when you think that you should have a ciggy and it's the worst thing you can do for your hangover.

I fall for that every time Igor - Im fecked as it is, but after a smoke Im almost pi$$ed again and have to leg it to drop me guts.

Im gonna get some acupuncture done to stop.

A place by me has just opened, I think I'll call in next week.

[dawson99]

the morning ciggy after a big drink is one of the best, only bettered by the meeting/plane/dinner/sex ciggys

And ashgray, we like smoking, us smoker,s the few of us left, enjoy it... let us enjoy something!!!

[Judge]

the morning ciggy after a big drink is one of the best, only bettered by the meeting/plane/dinner/sex ciggys

And ashgray, we like smoking, us smoker,s the few of us left, enjoy it... let us enjoy something!!!

was she any good?

[dawson99]

...always left me wanting more

[Judge]

...always left me wanting more

good that you out stamina'd her 

[Number 9]

The feckin ale Barry lad , every time .

Promised me judy i'm giving it another go after pay day (end of may ) . Anyway so here's my plan .

I'm going to an engagement doo on the 30th may . So i'm gonna get absolutely sh!tfaced and smoke as many bifters in one night as is humanely possible. Ok (only smokers will get onto this ) you know the morning after when you think that you should have a ciggy and it's the worst thing you can do for your hangover. Well i can quite easily go all day without a fag the next day ,so i'll just do that and start chonging on the inhalator the day after or when i start to really want one .. Now is that a plan or what?

Too true,the old beer mate!
Was out last sat early and had a few beers during the day,by 7PM id have killed someone for a smoke!Out of about 12 of us there was only 1 other smoker their(unbelievable)..I was begging him for one and he kept saying no!Then he eventually i had him ground down,he pulled out a packet of Fu*king silk cut!!
You would need about 10 of them in one go.Gay smokes!!
So went over to the vending machine and bought one of them wee 16 packs ya get,of Benson(mans smoke).We got back here about 2 am and i had none left!

Basically to totally cut it out of your life,you need to stop drinking too,cause once you have a few beers all the good intentions and willpower are shot to sh'it!!
No Fu*king way im quitting drinking,I dont smoke in work no more and I dont smoke if i aint having fanta so it aint so bad overall!

I dont know about them wee inhalator things lad,they keep you at the physical act of smoking if ya get me!I can say the patches work well,it does not bother me in work atal anymore!
Though the other day I was working in a boiler house and it was fecking roasting,was sweating like fu'ck and the patch came off at lunch time!By 3pm i was busting for a smoke,if the patch is on all day that does'nt happen!

[Judge]

silk cut = gay smokes @ baz