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by **GYBS** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:10 pm

Think were he fell down was who he brought in for cbs - dont think any of them were good enough .

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:27 pm

Under Evans we had a similar problem to Arsenal in that we would pass teams off the pitch but not get the goals our play deserved, because sometimes we seemed to get so carried away with passing, and forgot that the main aim is to put the ball in the net.

In 96 we had the team to win the league, its the last time I can remember were we actually had a better team than the mancs. The fact that we didn't win it is probably down to Evans not being quite hard enough to get that extra 10% out of the players thats the difference between winning and losing (or drawing in our case).

I don't think we quite had the "hard edge" that Fergie instilled in the mancs, that the win was everything.

by **Owzat** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 3:14 pm

s@int wrote:In 96 we had the team to win the league, its the last time I can remember were we actually had a better team than the mancs. The fact that we didn't win it is probably down to Evans not being quite hard enough to get that extra 10% out of the players thats the difference between winning and losing (or drawing in our case).

96/97 Liverpool Premiership Analysis

Games 01-10 : P10 W7 D2 L1 PTS 23
Games 11-19 : P9 W4 D3 L2 PTS 15
Games 20-28 : P9 W4 D3 L2 PTS 15
Games 29-38 : P10 W4 D3 L3 PTS 15

Just too many draws after an excellent start, winning less than 50% of our games

0 goals : P8 W0 D3 L5 F0 A7 PTS 3 (Won 0.00%)
1 goal : P13 W3 D7 L3 F13 A14 PTS 16 (Won 23.08%)
2 goals : P9 W9 D0 L0 F18 A6 PTS 27 (Won 100.00%)
3+ goals : P8 W7 D1 L0 F31 A10 PTS (Won 87.50%)

Basically didn't score enough goals in enough games resulting in seven 1-1s and three 0-0s. What was most disappointing is who the draws were against (not heard of that kind of disappointment before!

)

0-0 : Sunderland, Blackburn, West Ham
1-1 : Bitters (H&A), Wimbledon, Leicester, Notts Forest, Sheff Wed, Newcastle
3-3 : Middlesboro

Great start pissed away by drawing too many, sound familiar? What rubs it in a bit is this :

0-2 goals : 31 goals in 30 games
3+ goals : 31 goals in 8 games

Stuff Boro 5-1 at Anfield, draw 3-3 at wherever they played then (Tiresome Park or Riverside), stuff Chelsea 5-1 at Anfield, lost 0-1 at SB. Bear in mind the mancs finished seven points ahead of us, and that includes six points they took off us, against the rest they picked up just one more point than us. Had we beaten them home and away, we'd have finished top of the pile.

by **JBG** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 6:56 pm

Daglish was a legend but he doesn't deserve to be on that list. Had he spent more time in management then who knows, but as great and all as his achievements were, he doesn't come near those on that list.

I know he probably spent roughly the same time in management as Bob Paisely but Paisley's achievements in his 9 years were extraordinary.

by **GYBS** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:16 pm

JBG wrote:Daglish was a legend but he doesn't deserve to be on that list. Had he spent more time in management then who knows, but as great and all as his achievements were, he doesn't come near those on that list.

I know he probably spent roughly the same time in management as Bob Paisely but Paisley's achievements in his 9 years were extraordinary.

So you think Maureen should be on the list but not Dalglish ?

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:27 pm

GYBS wrote:
JBG wrote:Daglish was a legend but he doesn't deserve to be on that list. Had he spent more time in management then who knows, but as great and all as his achievements were, he doesn't come near those on that list.

I know he probably spent roughly the same time in management as Bob Paisely but Paisley's achievements in his 9 years were extraordinary.

So you think Maureen should be on the list but not Dalglish ?

Must we talk about Mourinho on EVERY thread mate? He's probably on there because he won the league with a record points total at the first time of asking, or because he never lost a Home game in four seasons or whatever.

Doesn't mean we have to go about it though surely

by **GYBS** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:29 pm

bigmick wrote:
GYBS wrote:
JBG wrote:Daglish was a legend but he doesn't deserve to be on that list. Had he spent more time in management then who knows, but as great and all as his achievements were, he doesn't come near those on that list.

I know he probably spent roughly the same time in management as Bob Paisely but Paisley's achievements in his 9 years were extraordinary.

So you think Maureen should be on the list but not Dalglish ?

Must we talk about Mourinho on EVERY thread mate? He's probably on there because he won the league with a record points total at the first time of asking, or because he never lost a Home game in four seasons or whatever.

Doesn't mean we have to go about it though surely

As opposed to winning the double as a player manager in your first ever season as a manager :;):

And mention maureen as IMO he is the one who doesnt deserve to be there .

by **bigmick** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:49 pm

You got one over on Mourinho there mate with the double. I think they got beat in the Portuguese Cup final in his first full season at Porto, but they did win the UEFA Cup, and the Champions League the following season. He's similar to Kenny in the sense that he won the League title with different clubs (in Mourinho's case, three, in different countries). Only the very best do that.

Incidently, I agree with you that Kenny Dalglish deserves to be on there. There are no other glaring omissions as I said, other than Kenny for Jock Stein the list is about right.

by **GYBS** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 11:55 pm

Surely what he did with Porto or any other non british club has feck all to do with the thread as the list seems to be about what they did in Britian . and Jock Stein won numerous titles with Celtic and first British club t win the Europena club and also did it with players all born within 30 miles i think off glasgow ?? that again beats Maureen

by **Owzat** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:30 am

bigmick wrote:or because he never lost a Home game in four seasons or whatever.

If you ever bump into him, ask him about his last home defeat

Don't forget to mention the "ghost goal", and then decide if you're going to punch his arrogant big head in

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:05 pm

Evans has a got a supposed reputation for being a soft manager just like how Venables was with the England team. but that's a myth as players such as Dicks and Wright has found out after being bombed out due to not taking pre-season friendly seriously. it was the Liverpool under Evans and with Fowler in it that i fell in love with. it was such a joy to watch and even though some results may not have gone our way you know the players would make every attempt to actually equalize and grab a point or 3 instead of sitting back and trying to contain their 1-0 lead which we have seen under Rafa but mostly under that french maggot. by then as im sure many should have known the LFC board was rubbish. Evans wanted many players who had gone to to light up the EPL but the board didnt want to cough up the money. they thought Sheringham was past it. Thuram, Desailly, Litmanen, Juninho were other players whom Evans wanted to buy but didnt have the backing perhaps due to the signing of Collymore. but buying him for 8mil and selling him for 7mil isnt exactly a bad piece of business is it? its not as if he didnt contribute at all

there was a whole collection of young internationals who just needed a fiery charector like Ince or Keane who would moan and whine and give the team the discipline it needed that probably wasnt there as players such as Rush and Barnes were in their final season. Fowler, Matteo, Macca, James, Redknapp, McAteer, Charnock, etc with a very very British core and players such as Owen, Carra, S.Wright, Warnock, Gerrard waiting to bloom. there was a future but in came the french maggot and ruined it all. i despise him for many reasons such as constantly using the press to make himself look good, being a 2-faced fartface and more significantly, selling many young potential players and bringing in duds such as Ferri, Diao, Diomede, Arphexad, Diouf, etc....not waning to sign Anelka on a perm basis. he and thompson were the worse combo any young player could have wanted. and another thing that baffled me was him not playing Litmanen enough IMO. so because of that, the way he ruined us, i do feel Rafa has had extra work to do even before he came in cause he had to deal with so much rubbish left by that imbecile. for those who haven't, Robbie Fowler's book is a real good read.

it was during the french period when i became disillusioned and was losing my passion for Liverpool as it wasnt the Liverpool i knew. it was all so political and training wasnt fun anymore as you could hardly even laugh. my head was being turned rapidly by Leeds Utd with such an amazing group of kids such as Woodgate, Ferdinand, Kewell, Viduka, Fowler, Smith, Keane, Matteo, Robinson, Bowyer, etc. and i started watching them due to Fowler and ive always been a fan of a british core. im not asking for the management to field 11 home grown youngsters like what McLaren did in his final game at the Riverside but by having too many foreigners the club loses its scouse roots. wouldnt it be amazing if we had a coaching team of Barnes, Molby, Macca, Fowler and former legends to guide the upcoming youngsters right now with the boot room system still in place but without Parry of course

for that, despite the success under Rafa, i would always consider Evans a better manager.

by **GYBS** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 3:40 pm

French Maggot ??!?! The same one that won how many trophies as opposed to one Carling Cup

!?!? while also making us competitive in the prem and putting us into the CL and into a CL Quarter while beating teams like Barce and Roma - something that never happened with Evans . GH started the foundations that Rafa has tried to build on top off . Evans produced one cup from his reign and that was a CC - the proof is there when you consider the talent at his disposal.

While Robbie Fowlers book maybe a good read - so are Gerrards ,Thommos and Carras books which all paint a very different picture about GH than what Robbie did .

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:17 pm

i felt GH was an extremist in his methods.

by **red37** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:24 pm

maypaxvobiscum wrote:
GYBS wrote:This member is in your ignore list and we have therefore blocked their post

you were saying?

I Hardly see the point of quoting that - its perfectly ok to block anothers contribution of course...however, why in gods name do the rest of the forum need to know about it? An achievement?

show a bit of integrity man.

by **maypaxvobiscum** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:25 pm

ok Red, point taken.

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