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by **Mikz** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:00 pm

The terrorists here dont work like that tho...they set theyre own rules -- we can bomb or shoot you...but youre not allowed to shoot us -you are only allowed to arrest us :talktothehand

It might be a good time to get tough .

by **Sabre** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:04 pm

Mikz wrote:The terrorists here dont work like that tho...they set theyre own rules -- we can bomb or shoot you...but youre not allowed to shoot us -you are only allowed to arrest us
It might be a good time to get tough .

Yes, that sounds familiar.

In order to Kill, they consider themselves "military" (but they kill often unarmed people).

But when they're caught, they claim to be civilians, and ask the civilian rights, not being scattered in the jails of Spain ( a tactic that seeks that they don't keep united as a group when they're prisoners) etc. Oh and they ask not to be tortured, because as you know, when you ask them about where are their hideouts or who gave the orders, they'll answer politely.

by **Mikz** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:07 pm

somethin like that -its a fcukking joke

by **Big Niall** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:44 pm

You got it the wrong way round. The hunger strikes were because they wanted to be seen as military. That was the whole point as then they'd be prisoners of war if taken.

by **Big Niall** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 1:50 pm

My own view, and it doesn't matter if it is either side in Northern Ireland, Eta in Spain, Farc in Columbia, or Alqueda around the world, or Israel dropping bombs on civilian areas in Palestine, targeting civilians (even by a government) is terrorism.

Guerilla fighting is shooting at "enemy" soldiers but you must have declared war on them and have some type of uniform to distinguish you from the community that you claim to represent.

The enemy then has the right to have a shoot to kill policy on them.

Regardless of politics - the above seems a moral "rules of war" to me.

by **Mikz** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:24 pm

Big Niall wrote:You got it the wrong way round. The hunger strikes were because they wanted to be seen as military. That was the whole point as then they'd be prisoners of war if taken.

Again youre talking about war with their rules . Thats the only war they were interested in .

by **Big Niall** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:51 pm

My point was that when Sabre's post said that when they were caught they claimed to be civlians was wrong.

I'm not defending the indefensible. The killers are scumbags.

by **dawson99** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 2:58 pm

Big Niall wrote:My own view, and it doesn't matter if it is either side in Northern Ireland, Eta in Spain, Farc in Columbia, or Alqueda around the world, or Israel dropping bombs on civilian areas in Palestine, targeting civilians (even by a government) is terrorism.

Guerilla fighting is shooting at "enemy" soldiers but you must have declared war on them and have some type of uniform to distinguish you from the community that you claim to represent.

The enemy then has the right to have a shoot to kill policy on them.

Regardless of politics - the above seems a moral "rules of war" to me.

Completely agree. I'd almost understand if it was soldiers they were attacking, that's warfare... but pizza guys and blokes in there homes... not on!

by **JC_81** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 5:22 pm

Some absolute nonsense being chatted in this thread about people who haven't got a clue what it's all about. You know who you are. Why the fu.ck is there even a thread on it in an LFC forum??

These Republican splinter groups are scum. They aren't politically motivated, they use it as an excuse for violence. The provisional IRA know who did it and they'll probably be the ones who get to them in the end. The military and the PSNI know who they are too though - you can bet anything you like that these groups are infiltrated by informants and double agents who tell the British army/ government exactly who killed these people, possibly even before it happened, which is the scary thing.

If anyone is genuinely interested in this type of thing, and unless you're from N.Ireland I don't expect you will be, you'll have read the book 'Stakeknife' which gives scary insight into paramilitary groups in N Ireland and how many British intelligence 'agents' are actually members. Shocking stuff. The point is though that it's not possible to just wade in and execute these guys. It's much more complicated than that.

This flare up coincided with the first time I've been back to Belfast in 8 months and I'm as gutted as anyone about it. This type of thing will never entirely go away, but how it's handled by the police, by the provisional IRA and by the British government will determine whether it escalates or not. Wading in and getting these guys is easy, but won't solve anything because there's always another mentalist to take their place. This is a very important development in N Ireland, make no mistake.

by **Number 9** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:35 pm

Big Niall wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Mikz wrote:So what is it youre saying Bazza?
I think its down to the provos to sort these boys out, they usually got their man -theyre using their name after all, they know who they are , sort it out or face the consequences.
Nobody wants to go back to that carry on! Every man and his dog know if it does start up it will be war this time.

What im saying is simple mate..we have a garden and in it there are weeds!We have a system that cannot take care of the weeds.We need to bring in a system that will do away with them before they gain power or any support..overtake the garden?
Execute the bast,ards..kill them!
As for emy red..shush son,you are not an ulsterman,you do not understand and are too far caught up in warped romanticism to have a clue,worry about Ireland mate,your own country,the UK will look after itself as we always do and come off best!

An honest question.

I always think of Northern Ireland as being British and have no interest in a united ireland as long as the majority of people in Northern Ireland want to stay British (and currently many catholics want to stay British too).

however, I find it strange that Northern ireland people talk about "ulster" all the time, when 3 of the 9 counties of Ulster are in the Republic of Ireland.

Why do the unionist people in NI talk about Ulster. And again - i know people up there are sensitive on all this so no offense meant.

Geographically you are right Niall there are nine counties in Ulster.Antrim,Down,Tyrone,Londonderry,Fermanagh,Armagh,Cavan,Donegal and Monaghan.The last 3 are in the Republic of Ireland,as im sure you are aware!
As for your question why do people refer to refer to NI as Ulster.Probably because the whole country lies within the province of Ulster..it is Ulster,but its not all of Ulster!

Probably the same thing as someone from Wales saying they are in the UK,they are but not all of the UK!

This is one version of an Ulster flag!

This is another.
Although geographically as you said there are 9 counties in the province,many unionists dont recognize the 3 counties in the ROI as part of Ulster as they see them as part of another country,which they are I guess.So the top on represents the nationalist version and the bottom one the unionist!
Confusing wee country!

by **Big Niall** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:59 pm

cheers - I thought there was a chance I'd get my head ripped off for asking.

I've never seen the top flag.
I don't know any unionists from NI so you now have become my reference point.

do unionist cheer for the Ireland team in rugby, it is obviously an all island team(not sure why) and many great ulster lads like ferris are in it. I've never thought the ROI anthem should be played unless the NI one is too (which i think is god save the queen). either play both or just play ireland's call(a song written recently to reconcile both sides of the border)

do you celebrate st patricks day - as he introduced christianity to the Island, he is no more catholic than protestant.

Is NI a country? they always call it a provence in the news? is it a state? whats the difference, as you said, confusing country

by **Number 9** » Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:31 pm

Big Niall wrote:cheers - I thought there was a chance I'd get my head ripped off for asking.

I've never seen the top flag.
I don't know any unionists from NI so you now have become my reference point.

do unionist cheer for the Ireland team in rugby, it is obviously an all island team(not sure why) and many great ulster lads like ferris are in it. I've never thought the ROI anthem should be played unless the NI one is too (which i think is god save the queen). either play both or just play ireland's call(a song written recently to reconcile both sides of the border)

do you celebrate st patricks day - as he introduced christianity to the Island, he is no more catholic than protestant.

Is NI a country? they always call it a provence in the news? is it a state? whats the difference, as you said, confusing country

Holy feck!

Yes i like to see Ireland win at Rugby,although wearing an Ireland rugby top may be a bad idea in certain areas sadly!Some bitter people Id say though would not support them,but I can only speak for me!

Do i celebrate St Patricks Day..well its a statutory leave day up here for most regardless of religion.

Is it a country?,well yeah as much as England,Scotland and Wales are!They are the 4 that make up the UK..so i guess it is!
But its also known as a province too...because its one of the 4 in Ireland..Ulster,Munster,Connaught,Leinster..but as I said before Unionists only recognize 6 counties as part of Ulster where as nationalists recognize the 9!
Fecked up.
Either way and whatever your views,terrorism needs to stop as it will never solve anything,if it does'nt the government need to get tougher IMO!That applies to murderers on both sides by the way!

by **Judge** » Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:19 am

i'll say this, the best barbed wire you can buy is from the northern irish

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