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Top · by **woof woof !** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:13 pm

The advanced menbers section was something I never supported. I thought it would be divisive and although it never caused any major rifts in the forum, that was only because that most members including those that quailified to enter it just f'ucking ignored it.

Now, given the "level" we're at in the forum I find an "Advanced Members" section laughable and frankly embarrassing.

Hopefully we remove it before someone lodges a complaint and we're found guilty of breaching the "Trades Description Act"

Whadya think ?

Top · by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:15 pm

I think its a good section that is not being used correctly. Should not get rid of it, just put certain posts in there when eejits attempt to ruin, then ban said members from using the advanced section. 3 yellow cards and you're not allwoed in for example may work

Top · by **Sabre** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:24 pm

Remove it. It's pointless IMHO.

That is, MERGE the threads within there with the general section.

Top · by **woof woof !** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:28 pm

Well the "top" topic has had three replies since mid Dec, and the second topic on the menu was last replied to in November.

p.s know this is more about the forum than footy and should maybe be in "Gen Chat" but wanted to get as many opinions as poss.

Top · by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:32 pm

Can't we just use that section for Judge to flirt with Barry?

Top · by **red37** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:37 pm

Keep it - but use it as a kind of repository....an archive if you like of all the good posts that have been posted up before the last 18 months or so. One that is only readable and can't be edited.

That way...

All the decent stuff is readily accessed for whatever purpose - be it 'a jolly good read' or....simply a reference to find out a piece of information that has since been lost in the mist.

The only caveat i could see is in determining the criteria of whether or not a post/topic string is worthy of entering this hall of fame. And who does the deciding.

Just an idea like...

Top · by **Sabre** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:45 pm

My initial answer was thinking of the advanced section as it is. Reading Red37, I have a mixed idea.

Let's be honest, some "green" members, such as Bam or redtrader can bring better discussions than many orange members like myself.

So I'd remove the idea of "advanced section for orange members".

We should all be either green members (regular members), red members (mods), or grey members (probationary).

In the advanced section I'd allow reds and greens.

But instead of initiating a thread in the advanced section, I'd promote good discussions of general section to the advanced one.

That is, how many times have we seen a good thread ruined by Km long multiquotes with one lines, petty fights, or common fúckwittery?

My suggestion is that whenever the mods see several "good thread this", they move it to the advanced section. The difference in the advanced section would be a heavier moderation. That is, no fights allowed, no

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No insults, no hijacking threads, no topic drifting.

Just a suggestion. It's a bit inspired in red37 idea. Rather than promoting users, promoting discussions to preserve them from the usual problems of threads.

Top · by **tubby** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:46 pm

There probably isnt as much traffic in that section as in general chat and to be honest the mods do a good job here so I dont see a need to segregate. Trash it.

Top · by **account deleted by request** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:03 pm

Instead of having it as the Advanced Section, have it as the JUNK SECTION and just move all the threads there that are going to the dogs. So by default the General DISCUSSION section that is used much more SHOULD become much better and effectively become an Advanced section ...... BUT ONE THAT IS ACTUALLY USED.

Hopefully people won't want to see good well thought out Thread Topics moved to the JUNK section, so will in turn try to improve their own imput.

Top · by **bigmick** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:27 pm

I'd just get rid of it. It's become an irrelkevence because nobody posts in there.

As for the problems on the main board, IMHO it needs stronger moderation, as usual mostly from people themselves. That's not the "lets ban everyone" moderation, but moderation which reduces multiple threads on the same subject, reduces threads which have at their heart the desire to drag other posters into flame wars, and obviously the continual stamping out of abuse. I think people ought to help the mods by not abusing people, not starting threads which try and drag people into flame wars, and not starting multiple threads on the same subject.

Once though threads are up and running, I think it would help if people who don't like them don't post in them. We've had the strange situation over the last few days where people start threads which directly relate to the managers performance, and then when you voice an opinion in that thread (which often they started) they accuse you of spamming the forum with posts about the manager. Equally, a thread about another manager in a little used side corridoor of the forum seemingly gets people wound up. They could simply not read it if they don't want to.

Also, I think posters (me included) could do more to try and stay broadly within the thread title while posting. This doesn't mean if you post on the Aurelio thread that you shouldn't mention Insua, because obviously the young fella is of great interest to everyone, and his standing within the squad is directly linked to Aurelio. Equally, sayign within that thread you don't actually rate Dossena is fair enough (or indeed if you do rate him it's also fair enough) as it relates in. Obviously though, going off on one in the same thread that Rafa wasted 7 million quid buying Dossena and he is therefore s sh!te manager, is not really in the spirit of the forum. This I think is at the crux of what has wound people up, and it's fair enough.

I do seem to have been largely blamed for it, and I'm not talking by numpties who don't know their ersehole from their earhole, I'm talking about by normally sensible people. I don't agree with the accusations, and I must point out that I never saw any such boredom when we were top of the league and in every thread people were talking about how fantastic the manager was. That said though, on that score I'm sure I'm somehwere near the top of the list of people who could improve, and I'll do my best to do so.

On the moderators question, I should also point out that I'm not criticising them. I just think that as the forum evolves, there are times when a period of "lock down" is needed, zero tolerence for silliness and we might be in one of those periods now. If for instance I am truly guilt of spamming threads and derailing discussions, point it out and brandish cards (I obviously don't want cards but you get my drift).

We have these bad hair months on here occasionally, it's unfortunate but inevitable. I actually don't find the forum too bad a place to hang out at the moment, and on a personal level am getting probably marginally less abuse than I was a couple of weeks ago which is cool. Many people do though appear to have a problem with the way things are, so lets have a bit of lights out at 8pm.

Top · by **dawson99** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:37 pm

bigmick wrote:I'd just get rid of it. It's become an irrelkevence because nobody posts in there.

As for the problems on the main board, IMHO it needs stronger moderation, as usual mostly from people themselves. That's not the "lets ban everyone" moderation, but moderation which reduces multiple threads on the same subject, reduces threads which have at their heart the desire to drag other posters into flame wars, and obviously the continual stamping out of abuse. I think people ought to help the mods by not abusing people, not starting threads which try and drag people into flame wars, and not starting multiple threads on the same subject.

Once though threads are up and running, I think it would help if people who don't like them don't post in them. We've had the strange situation over the last few days where people start threads which directly relate to the managers performance, and then when you voice an opinion in that thread (which often they started) they accuse you of spamming the forum with posts about the manager. Equally, a thread about another manager in a little used side corridoor of the forum seemingly gets people wound up. They could simply not read it if they don't want to.

Also, I think posters (me included) could do more to try and stay broadly within the thread title while posting. This doesn't mean if you post on the Aurelio thread that you shouldn't mention Insua, because obviously the young fella is of great interest to everyone, and his standing within the squad is directly linked to Aurelio. Equally, sayign within that thread you don't actually rate Dossena is fair enough (or indeed if you do rate him it's also fair enough) as it relates in. Obviously though, going off on one in the same thread that Rafa wasted 7 million quid buying Dossena and he is therefore s sh!te manager, is not really in the spirit of the forum. This I think is at the crux of what has wound people up, and it's fair enough.

I do seem to have been largely blamed for it, and I'm not talking by numpties who don't know their ersehole from their earhole, I'm talking about by normally sensible people. I don't agree with the accusations, and I must point out that I never saw any such boredom when we were top of the league and in every thread people were talking about how fantastic the manager was. That said though, on that score I'm sure I'm somehwere near the top of the list of people who could improve, and I'll do my best to do so.

On the moderators question, I should also point out that I'm not criticising them. I just think that as the forum evolves, there are times when a period of "lock down" is needed, zero tolerence for silliness and we might be in one of those periods now. If for instance I am truly guilt of spamming threads and derailing discussions, point it out and brandish cards (I obviously don't want cards but you get my drift).

We have these bad hair months on here occasionally, it's unfortunate but inevitable. I actually don't find the forum too bad a place to hang out at the moment, and on a personal level am getting probably marginally less abuse than I was a couple of weeks ago which is cool. Many people do though appear to have a problem with the way things are, so lets have a bit of lights out at 8pm.

so...

get rid?

Top · by **Effes** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:38 pm

dawson99 wrote:so...

get rid?

Top · by **bigmick** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:44 pm

dawson99 wrote:so...

get rid?

Yeah cheers Daws', that's what I meant

Top · by **Sabre** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 8:45 pm

Good post that Mick. I have made some accusations (I'd call them observations but anyway) yes, but I'm no better than you and I have to improve, I could list a list of my personal sins too but most of you already know which those are.

I'll make a comment though about stronger moderation. Stronger moderation requires more collaboration from the regular users. Just like when you play football you have to agree ref's decission, we can't question every single decission they take.

Imagine a situation: Today one post of mine has been deleted. By who? by the mods. Why? because it was unnecessarily antagonistic and could bring flame wars. Do I have to agree that criteria? no. Do I have to respect it? definitely, and I won't complain publicly (nor privately for that matter).

We do have to realise that the mods are not there as dictators, but as the ones who have a job to make this forum better.

This forum is big enough. Weakly moderated big forums become Jungles, in which the worst of other forums can join and live well.

This forum is weakly moderated, and not because the moderators are weak, but because they've been too handtied.

Like you I'm not talking about multibans, but if one post is deleted because it could bring a fight, please respect the criteria of the ones that have the job of keeping the peace. Sometimes we don't let the mods kill fires, and then we complain about them when the fire extended to all the building.

Top · by **bigmick** » Sun Mar 08, 2009 9:01 pm

Sabre wrote:Imagine a situation: Today one post of mine has been deleted. By who? by the mods. Why? because it was unnecessarily antagonistic and could bring flame wars. Do I have to agree that criteria? no. Do I have to respect it? definitely, and I won't complain publicly (nor privately for that matter).

I'm going to quickly say only one thing and then I'll leave this or once again we'll be on a tangent. I think the crux of your post, the thrust of it is my moaning the other week about three Rafa threads being merged into one.

I was wrong there, not in thinking it was a questionable decision because it was, but wrong to moan about it publically. I quite liked Dundalks thread as I thought it was a good idea, to kind of plot how people jumped around "Runaround" style with each result. That's only natural BTW, I only made my own mind up once and for all six weeks ago so I'm not brandishing the fickle accusations here. Anyway, I was wrong to publically voice my ire at that one.

I've quoted you here as a polite little nudge in the ribs, as your memory is becoming quite selective in your old age. This thing about not complaining publically must mean you have a double then, or one of your friends is using your log on. Whoever it is, they are on the forum publically having a moan about Lando being banned each time he is. I don't actually disagree with you on Lando, of the guys who is abusive he is by far the funniest.

Anyway, like I say I was wrong to publically moan, and sorry to the mods for that.

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