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by **REDTILLDEAD** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:09 pm

Sabre wrote:
Intimidating atmoshere my [email]ars@.....I[/email] have been to "old tw@tford" many times

Hope not too many times.

How does the system to get away tickets work when for instance you want to watch Liverpool play there? I mean, are there queues, how does it work? It always seemed to be that the away Liverpool supporters sing louder, this season only, they have outsung most stadiums for what I can hear in tv, I don't think I'm exagerating

Its worked on a system of how many away games you attended from the previous season by means of recording what games you attended which season ticket holders are given priority for......at least thats how it works for me. :nod

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:13 pm

supersub wrote:The only thing that gets intimidated at old trafford is the ref

Yeah....cos the manure fans are to busy eating prawn sarnie's...and studying their motorway maps on how to get back on the M6 (southbound) to be bothered intimidating anyone. :laugh:

by **JC_81** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:14 pm

So basically you're saying that the atmosphere at games and whether or not 'ooters' diminish it really doesn't matter a fu.ck at the end of the day, and has little or no effect on the way the team plays. As United are apparently proving?

by **bigmick** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:14 pm

I actually think the "intimidating" atmosphere is often over-rated. Players I've spoken with have said the same thing, unless the crowd can actually run on and kick it, it doesn't intimidate you overly. Where the crowd has an absolutely huge effect IMHO is in the building up of your own players, making them find that little extra. When the crowd gets fired up, so does the team and it's why experienced players will occasionally start a bit of controversy, a ruccus or a row with a linesman when at home to fiure up the fans. It can be like a touchpaper once the emotional wick gets lit, and it's why you get so many upsets when big teams visit small teams in cups. It's not because you're "intimidated", it's because the fans fire the Home team up.

Equally, if someone goes erse opver tit tin the are and the ref thinks, in the fraction of a second he has to think about it "feck me that might be a penalty" and 40,000 people scream "PENALTY!!!!!!!!!" at the same time, he is obviously more likely to give it that he otherwise woud be. Similar situtions apply to bookings and marginal calls. I don't think the referee is scared somebody is going to smash his face in, but like everybody refs can get swayed by the body of people who apprently believe something.

I don't think the atmos' against Sunderland was that surprising though. It was the first match after most people (not all I accept) had given up on the title, so it was bound to be a bit flat.

by **JC_81** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:15 pm

supersub wrote:The only thing that gets intimidated at old trafford is the ref

Bollox supersub. Plenty of teams have walked onto the pitch already beaten at OT this season and over recent years. Are you trying to deny that?

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:16 pm

john craig wrote:So basically you're saying that the atmosphere at games and whether or not 'ooters' diminish it really doesn't matter a fu.ck at the end of the day, and has little or no effect on the way the team plays. As United are apparently proving?

Basically........no!! :no

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:19 pm

REDTILLDEAD wrote:
john craig wrote:So basically you're saying that the atmosphere at games and whether or not 'ooters' diminish it really doesn't matter a fu.ck at the end of the day, and has little or no effect on the way the team plays. As United are apparently proving?

Basically........no!!

What i meant was Basically no ooters......equals....a better atmosphere created by local supporters. :nod

by **JC_81** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:21 pm

REDTILLDEAD wrote:
john craig wrote:So basically you're saying that the atmosphere at games and whether or not 'ooters' diminish it really doesn't matter a fu.ck at the end of the day, and has little or no effect on the way the team plays. As United are apparently proving?

Basically........no!!

Explain it then.

Liverpool haven't done the business at Anfield this season and apparently it's partly because of a sh.it atmosphere caused by out of towners.

United have done the business at OT this season and apparently that's in spite of an atmosphere which isn't intimidating and that they are worse than LFC for out of town supporters.

Why should a sh.it atmosphere have a detrimental effect on the way Liverpool play but not on the way United play?? Make sense FFS.

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:27 pm

john craig wrote:
REDTILLDEAD wrote:
john craig wrote:So basically you're saying that the atmosphere at games and whether or not 'ooters' diminish it really doesn't matter a fu.ck at the end of the day, and has little or no effect on the way the team plays. As United are apparently proving?

Basically........no!!

Explain it then.

Liverpool haven't done the business at Anfield this season and apparently it's partly because of a sh.it atmosphere caused by out of towners.

United have done the business at OT this season and apparently that's in spite of an atmosphere which isn't intimidating and that they are worse than LFC for out of town supporters.

Why should a sh.it atmosphere have a detrimental effect on the way Liverpool play but not on the way United play?? Make sense FFS.

You seem to be having a degree of difficulty in understanding my simple explanations?...i how many times do i have to spell it out for you?......let me make it easy for you the answer is in the last cople of my posts...its not that hard to work out...honestly even you should be able to grasp it......mind you if your an ooter yer self then...

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by **JC_81** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:31 pm

REDTILLDEAD wrote:You seem to be having a degree of difficulty in understanding my simple explanations?

Substitute 'my simple explanations' for 'my complete lack of logic' and you are correct. I'll save my breath for someone who has two brain cells to rub together.

by **REDTILLDEAD** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 10:33 pm

john craig wrote:
REDTILLDEAD wrote:You seem to be having a degree of difficulty in understanding my simple explanations?

Substitute 'my simple explanations' for 'my complete lack of logic' and you are correct. I'll save my breath for someone who has two brain cells to rub together.

Hmm.....that will be someone with one cell more than you then!. :nod

by **Dundalk** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:16 pm

From The Times

The most knowledgeable fans in the world...."BOOOOOO"

Liverpool fans once had a reputation for being the most knowledgeable in football. We respected the opposition, recognised good football and supported our team like no other; but I'm afraid those days are all but gone. There are still pockets of fans around the ground that maintain those traditions and uphold that reputation; yet they are now drowning in a sea of clueless new fans urinating on everything we stand for.

Last night, Lucas Leiva was brought on with only a matter of minutes remaining of a game we were comfortably winning 2-0. As he stepped onto the field, pockets of "fans" around the ground then decide to boo him. Yes, they chose to boo one of our own players entering the field of play, for no other reason than they don't rate him!

I could say I was lost for words; but I'm not.

First of all, I don't think you'll find a single Liverpool fan on this planet that thinks Lucas has had a good season; not by any stretch of the imagination. He has been poor, and each and every misplaced pace or clumsy tackle has been met with groans and moans from the stands, throughout the many frustrating draws that have cost us any chance of the league title. I can fully understand that frustration, and have screamed out in frustration myself.

So while those groans do nothing to encourage and support a player on the field, it is not even close to booing a player entering the field before he's even touched the ball.

A few minutes earlier, Djibril Cisse was brought on a substitute and received a round of applause from all sides of the ground. It was a reception usually reserved for returning ex-players that have actually deserved it. I'd argue that Cisse doesn't come anywhere near that level, and the reception for his return was massively over the top. Yet some of those same fans that applauded him onto the field, minutes later were booing the introduction of one of our current players in Lucas. The mind boggles.

The vast majority of the crowd are stuck in a routine of sitting there in silence, rising only to berate the referee or have a good moan. Are these fans morphing into Evertonians? We've now taken it to a whole new level of booing our own players; a day I thought I'd never see. Disagreeing with the manager's tactics and negative approach is one thing, but openly booing one of our own players just because they don't rate him? The more I think about it the more annoyed I become.

Annoyed and confused; and really struggling to fathom a reason of what it was meant to achieve.

I hope they're proud of themselves. You're a disgrace to the club you propose to support.

Paul Jones

http://timesonline.typepad.com/fanzine....le.html

by **KennyisGod....still** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:48 pm

The unfortunate truth is (IMO) the crowd has changed over the years to people with a little more 'disposable income' that have a mentality far removed from that of just 10-20 years ago. Todays crowd have no patience, no respect and less knowledge in line with the 'see it - want it' attitude of the current times.

It may be OOTers (I'm one - so what?) or it may be a mix of OOTers and scousers, but either way one thing that easily shows the change is lookin at the crowd on derby day, where it used to be a mix throughout but is today far more severely stewarded and segregated.

We've never been a club thats taken to the corporate pound in quite the way some of our rivals do, but unfortunately (and very quickly) thats become the norm for us and some people object to it. Will it make us a better club? Impossible to say, but it SHOULD make us a finacially more secure club IF HANDLED PROPERLY. But this comes at a cost, and with a stadium that holds just around 40,000 home fans then some people will miss out. In Rafa's words "Fact!!" Invariably these are going to be people that can no longer go to every game, or can no longer afford the season ticket they held so dear. Quite obviously these guys get replaced, and as is the case everywhere, those with the money take the prize. It aint rocket science, but it aint always palatable - its the way things are.

This aint gonna bother H & G, they aint gonna care if there's little atmosphere so long as the dough comes in, regardless of who's pocket it comes from. And don't be misled into thinkin any other owner will wanna change it back so only locals get tickets, corporates get sloppy seconds and OOTers are forced to follow their own local clubs. Money talks and B/S walks, and fanciful talk of OOTers bein responsible for quiet Anfield nights is jus that. B/S.

by **NANNY RED** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:54 pm

Dundalk that article is spot on.An its about time someone had ago like that.
If you dont rate a player fine have ago an a moan in the pubs or on the internet forums . but while any player an i dont care who he is wears that red shirt at Anfield an plays for us . we have to show support for that player , Weather hes on the pitch or the bench.. Its an absolute disgrace that some of our fans our behaving like this, An they should just do one imo. never set foot inside the ground again,

We dont need fans like that , a NEW BREED OF FAN HAS EMERGED AT OUR CLUB AN I DONT LIKE IT.

im gettin good here i didnt use one swear word,

by **tubby** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:56 pm

This new breed of fan is surley synonamous with the modern game and widespread.

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