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by **Ciggy** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:17 pm

bavlondon wrote:What is wrong with everyone recently. Since the Madrid game there has been nothing but constant infighting with you lot. Calm the feck down will you. If you dont want to take part in this thread then dont post here. Dont post here moaning about this and that.

Hear hear bav. :buttrock

by **GYBS** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:17 pm

Dundalk wrote:The club dosent just consist of Rafa, Parry, Hicks and Gillett

Parry is gone now (or at the end of the season) but there are other people on the board that are able to make descions. I wouldnt rush into a replacment

Or do we really need to replace him at all mate ?

by **bigmick** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:18 pm

Anyway, aside from all bickering I guess we will employ a new CEO. I take GYBS's point about Ayres or Eyres or whatever he's called, but I thought he was marketing or accounts or something. Ultimately, someones got to employ the groundsman, the bar managers, the catering manager, the cleaners and all that stuff. Liverpool football club probably employs 100's of people all told and certainly turns over multi millions of pounds, someones got to be in charge of it.

I've got to be honest here, I don't overly have any faith in Brian Barwick either. Why do football clubs fell the need to employ "football people" in these positions? If we are going to completely let rafa control the transfer side of the operation (which I don't agree with but anyway), why not employ a proper CEO, someone who has business expertese? It doesn't matter if he hasn't got a clue about football, just get somebody in who make siure the marketers do their job right, make sure the sponsorship deals are right, make sure the various factions at melwood and the first team manager are working together?

Yes we need a CEO IMHO, but not some FA fuddy duddy clueless c...

by **aCe'** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:18 pm

mistyred wrote:Parry has lost us not only first choice players, but his marketing of Lfc
globaly was absolutely sh!t.

Maybe now we can get someone who knows what they are doing.

best point put out on this whole Parry thing so far mate.. :bowdown

agree 100% ..

When it comes to transfers and players being brought in i'm pretty sure Rafa was the one fckin up yet and again going out and buying sht player after the other and missing out on some more sht players while at it... im pretty sure we also missed out on some good players but you cant just come out and say that our transfers in the past 4 years or so have been average at best because Parry is cack... I dont think Parry could possible be this big A.hole that some are trying to make him out to be, he wouldnt want us to miss out on Simao or Alves if we were able and indeed WANTING to buy them in the first place... cant for the life of me believe for one second that Rafa would go to Parry and tell him " hey Rick Simao is available for 10mill go out and get him"..next day Parry comes back to Rafa "hey see i couldnt really be fcked travellin all the way to Spain to sign Simao so i decided to go to Holland and i got you Kuyt for the same money instead"

nonsense... only times i could see him getting involved is when something like the Barry situation would come up... we value the guy at 12mill... they want 20 for him... Rafa thinks we should sell Alonso and put some more money on top of that do it... Parry thinks thats nonsense..Parry trumps Rafa...

by **Kash_Mountain** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:20 pm

Heard our new CEO could be Brian Barwick..... not sure about him

by **stmichael** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:20 pm

Tony Evans's piece in the Times states that Gillett and Parry fell out due "over the stories that surfaced on Wednesday suggesting that Benitez was about to leave the club"

So it was Parry who started those rumours ahead of a massive game? If true, the guy needs to be shot not sacked.

by **red37** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:20 pm

Merged.

Now don't do it again - rapscallion!!

by **GYBS** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:21 pm

bigmick wrote:Anyway, aside from all bickering I guess we will employ a new CEO. I take GYBS's point about Ayres or Eyres or whatever he's called, but I thought he was marketing or accounts or something. Ultimately, someones got to employ the groundsman, the bar managers, the catering manager, the cleaners and all that stuff. Liverpool football club probably employs 100's of people all told and certainly turns over multi millions of pounds, someones got to be in charge of it.

I've got to be honest here, I don't overly have any faith in Brian Barwick either. Why do football clubs fell the need to employ "football people" in these positions? If we are going to completely let rafa control the transfer side of the operation (which I don't agree with but anyway), why not employ a proper CEO, someone who has business expertese? It doesn't matter if he hasn't got a clue about football, just get somebody in who make siure the marketers do their job right, make sure the sponsorship deals are right, make sure the various factions at melwood and the first team manager are working together?

Yes we need a CEO IMHO, but not some FA fuddy duddy clueless c...

Did parry do all the emplying of people like that mick ? and parry had plenty of business expertise - look what he did with the prem - i think its his lack of football nounce that may or may not of let him down a bit. He seemed to have no probs selling the prem around the world so why not us ?

by **bunglemark2** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:21 pm

GRAHAM01 wrote:
peewee wrote:
GRAHAM01 wrote:
peewee wrote:its simple, does anyone think this will change our style of play?

the fact is parry is not the most pressing issue at the club, benitez is. rejoice all you want but this will change nothing on the pitch

i can see your point peewee and i can agree with what you are saying ( yes i know shock horrer )

rafa will not change the way he sends out his team because parry has gone, i would expect him to it's his style like it or not.

but without the fighting going on between them rafa may get the players HE wants and then he will have the team he wants playing in the style he wants!! if at that time he fails then yes it's time for him to go and we move on again, having parry there holding rafa back in getting the players he wanted has hindered his progress when trying to build the team he feels he needs to do the job

well that's how i see it anyway

this is assuming parry blocked signings based on parrys opinion rather than cost of the player. benitez can want kaka but if we cant afford him then its a moot point mate, we will still get what we can afford.

yes again you are right if rafa wanted the likes of kaka then he would get laughed out of the room but the players that have been mentioned and the time we were trying to buy them we had the money to get them, now i'm not going to say every player we failed to sign was down to parry ( i would be talking ) but i'm sure he has cost us some signings that would have helped the team and even helped rafa change the style he plays at the moment

i understand that with the money we have at transfers times might not be enough to get the 1st name on the list but when we then balls up the chance to get the 2nd name on the list someone needs to be held to court

just a little add on for heimdall: the way i see it as i have said a little above that if we had got 1st name on the list players we would have a better team giving rafa more of a chance to produce a championship winning team having to get 2nd or 3rd names will only hinder his team and ( i'm only saying maybe? ) hinder the true style he would like to play?

Some good points there mate....
You have to wonder about the kind of players RB "might" have signed if he had carte blanche anyway. I mean, you can almost predict the kind of players he *wouldn't* buy because his managerial philosophy on how he thinks the game should be played is a cautious, safety-first approach, defend at all costs, sneak a winner if possible...
You can't see him going after, say, a Ronaldo-esque type player 'cos it flies in the face of the way he believes the game should be played. Granted, goals conceded are kept to a minimum, but there's no free-spirited attacking side to the Benitez philosophy. No encouraging the players to take a man on and beat him. You don't see him linked to pure attack-minded players. My own recollection of players linked to RB is predominantly defensive-minded players....
I listened to Ronnie Whelan the other night on TV, making comments that players from the golden era find RB's mentality very dull and as a consequence, the games are dull to watch...

Now to link that all to this Parry thread.....IF indeed it was Parry who wanted A.N. Other striker (a.k.a. Keane) to score goals, for example, should he be lauded for that, or lambasted ? Should we not listen to his side of the story before naking a final judgement on Parry's tenure at the club ? I for one would definitely like to hear his thoughts...

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:21 pm

peewee wrote:
tommycockles wrote:
GYBS wrote:
peewee wrote:3 times and still nobody has laughed at it, maybe you would like to counter my comments instead

you don't need to laugh to show you agree!

so feel free to tell us why its a good thing, i have made my point that it wont change our play, counter that

Peewee, it could chnage the way we play as if we had a CEO who had been better at his job we may have better players at the club.

Of course it is not going to make a bit of difference this seasopn, and maybe even further along, but he has had a hand in shaping our team.

I'm not a big Rafa fan either, but I can see that Rick Parry has been a thorn in our side for years now so it has to be a good thing that he has gone

by **Dundalk** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:21 pm

GYBS wrote:
Dundalk wrote:The club dosent just consist of Rafa, Parry, Hicks and Gillett

Parry is gone now (or at the end of the season) but there are other people on the board that are able to make descions. I wouldnt rush into a replacment

Or do we really need to replace him at all mate ?

Well yeah, like any other business someone needs to be in charge at the top otherwise we will end up with a Houiller/Evans setup

by **heimdall** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:22 pm

GYBS wrote:
Ciggy wrote:
heimdall wrote:And what is the problem with posters being critical of rafa,

because every topic gets turned in to an Anti rafa one even though its not even about him

exactly right - this is about parry not rafa .

Can't argue with that and as I said in my initial post I don't think getting rid of Parry is such a good thing, Hicks now has complete control. I actually never had a dig at rafa in this thread I just asked how Parry was responsible for Rafa's negative tactics in agreement with PeeWee, it seems nobody bothered to answer that one though.

Anyway enough of this, I am also getting bored of all this infighting sh1t, can we all agree to knock it on the head, we all need to tolerate each other more.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:22 pm

Good and bad news.

And what happens with the owners?

Hicks, having been very open to selling last year, is going nowhere. He has built up a strong power base over the past six months or so and his alliance with Benítez has become powerful. As for Gillett, he has been looking to offload his stake for more than 12 months and today’s news leaves him with even less reason to stay around. There were strong rumours yesterday that an announcement today would be about Gillett finding a buyer and selling up immediately. In the end, the story was a different one, but I am sure Gillett’s departure will not be too far away.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol....391.ece

by **lakes10** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:23 pm

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by **tubby** » Fri Feb 27, 2009 12:23 pm

Really? Well he is quite experienced with England but wasnt it him who oringinally wanted Sven?

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