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Postby metalhead » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:43 pm

Number 9 wrote:Israels message is simple..Hamas stop firing rockets into civilian areas and Israel will lay off!Hamas are bringing this all on their own people..its their fault that this is happening.Israel warned them and warned them to stop with the rockets and still they kept firing them.
Its very sad that innocent people are dying but that unfortunately happens in war.Hamas are living in amongst civilians practically using themas human shields,its their fault that people are dying.Israel cant just keep saying please stop bombing our towns and people because they wont listen.
If Hamas had any sense they'd stop the bombing into Israel,saying that I fear its too late even if they do stop I reckon israel will finish the job now they've gone this far.

Mate, Hamas didn't bring this to the Palestinian people, Israel started it from the first place, believe me when I say it, they actually did.

During this so called "Truce'', Israel inflicted a Blockade around Gaza, that really f*cked up the whole place. Palestinians were slowly dying of starvation, there was no food, no water, not even electricity. So many times other countries told Israel to withdraw their blockade for aid to go in, for the people to get some electricity, some food and water! Now tell me, is that truce? killing those people slowly.

Hamas living among the people? ofcourse they ARE Palestinians!!! they aren't like Al Quada who are a multi national terrorist group. The same with Hizballah, they are Lebanese, as well as Hamas and Fateh. Basically they have the same rights as any other Palestinian citizen.

Then goes Israel saying their operation is to stop rockets firing inside, well yeh they are failing miserably and they are good at killing Children. Its not that they aren't intending to harm civilian mate, but it looks like they are! The U.N even told them there are areas thats under U.N jurisdiction, but they didn't listen and they bombed a school owned by the U.N  that killed 40 people, most of them were children. Hamas were firing rockets from the U.N building? you tell me.

over 640 Palestinian killed! Hamas aren't the one dropping the bombs, Israel are. From what Im saying Barry, I don't know if Israel will finish them off, till now they have done nothing to justify why they went all gun blazing on Gaza.

So many people right now are scared here in Lebanon because Hizballah are on high alert in the south of Lebanon, as well as Israel in the north of Israel, so there may be a war happening, I don't think Hizballah will do anything stupid though.

Emerald, spot on mate.
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Postby metalhead » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:45 pm

Emerald Red wrote:The American and British governments are not absolved of any bloodshed currently going on

and the Arab government just sit there and do nothing. :(
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Postby Number 9 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:50 pm

metalhead wrote:
Number 9 wrote:Israels message is simple..Hamas stop firing rockets into civilian areas and Israel will lay off!Hamas are bringing this all on their own people..its their fault that this is happening.Israel warned them and warned them to stop with the rockets and still they kept firing them.
Its very sad that innocent people are dying but that unfortunately happens in war.Hamas are living in amongst civilians practically using themas human shields,its their fault that people are dying.Israel cant just keep saying please stop bombing our towns and people because they wont listen.
If Hamas had any sense they'd stop the bombing into Israel,saying that I fear its too late even if they do stop I reckon israel will finish the job now they've gone this far.

Mate, Hamas didn't bring this to the Palestinian people, Israel started it from the first place, believe me when I say it, they actually did.

During this so called "Truce'', Israel inflicted a Blockade around Gaza, that really f*cked up the whole place. Palestinians were slowly dying of starvation, there was no food, no water, not even electricity. So many times other countries told Israel to withdraw their blockade for aid to go in, for the people to get some electricity, some food and water! Now tell me, is that truce? killing those people slowly.

Hamas living among the people? ofcourse they ARE Palestinians!!! they aren't like Al Quada who are a multi national terrorist group. The same with Hizballah, they are Lebanese, as well as Hamas and Fateh. Basically they have the same rights as any other Palestinian citizen.

Then goes Israel saying their operation is to stop rockets firing inside, well yeh they are failing miserably and they are good at killing Children. Its not that they aren't intending to harm civilian mate, but it looks like they are! The U.N even told them there are areas thats under U.N jurisdiction, but they didn't listen and they bombed a school owned by the U.N  that killed 40 people, most of them were children. Hamas were firing rockets from the U.N building? you tell me.

over 640 Palestinian killed! Hamas aren't the one dropping the bombs, Israel are. From what Im saying Barry, I don't know if Israel will finish them off, till now they have done nothing to justify why they went all gun blazing on Gaza.

So many people right now are scared here in Lebanon because Hizballah are on high alert in the south of Lebanon, as well as Israel in the north of Israel, so there may be a war happening, I don't think Hizballah will do anything stupid though.

Emerald, spot on mate.

So what do you reckon Israel should do MH?
Personally I think they are doing the only thing they can to ensure the shelling stops.
As I said if innocents die its sad,but it happens!
As for Israel started it.Well thats what you are hearing.Here its saying Hamas broke the ceasefire.Interesting that this is a pro Israel country and yours is pro Palestinian,both are blaming the other! :D
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Postby Emerald Red » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:51 pm

metalhead wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:The American and British governments are not absolved of any bloodshed currently going on

and the Arab government just sit there and do nothing. :(

America and Britain are the only two nations that can do anything to stop what is going on. That's just a fact. Until then, those two regions will always be at war with each other.
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Postby Number 9 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:52 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:The American and British governments are not absolved of any bloodshed currently going on

and the Arab government just sit there and do nothing. :(

America and Britain are the only two nations that can do anything to stop what is going on. That's just a fact. Until then, those two regions will always be at war with each other.

They sent feckin Tony Blair to help...WTF! :D
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Postby Emerald Red » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:56 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:The American and British governments are not absolved of any bloodshed currently going on

and the Arab government just sit there and do nothing. :(

America and Britain are the only two nations that can do anything to stop what is going on. That's just a fact. Until then, those two regions will always be at war with each other.

They sent feckin Tony Blair to help...WTF! :D

Problem solved, then.
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Postby metalhead » Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:58 pm

Number 9 wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Number 9 wrote:Israels message is simple..Hamas stop firing rockets into civilian areas and Israel will lay off!Hamas are bringing this all on their own people..its their fault that this is happening.Israel warned them and warned them to stop with the rockets and still they kept firing them.
Its very sad that innocent people are dying but that unfortunately happens in war.Hamas are living in amongst civilians practically using themas human shields,its their fault that people are dying.Israel cant just keep saying please stop bombing our towns and people because they wont listen.
If Hamas had any sense they'd stop the bombing into Israel,saying that I fear its too late even if they do stop I reckon israel will finish the job now they've gone this far.

Mate, Hamas didn't bring this to the Palestinian people, Israel started it from the first place, believe me when I say it, they actually did.

During this so called "Truce'', Israel inflicted a Blockade around Gaza, that really f*cked up the whole place. Palestinians were slowly dying of starvation, there was no food, no water, not even electricity. So many times other countries told Israel to withdraw their blockade for aid to go in, for the people to get some electricity, some food and water! Now tell me, is that truce? killing those people slowly.

Hamas living among the people? ofcourse they ARE Palestinians!!! they aren't like Al Quada who are a multi national terrorist group. The same with Hizballah, they are Lebanese, as well as Hamas and Fateh. Basically they have the same rights as any other Palestinian citizen.

Then goes Israel saying their operation is to stop rockets firing inside, well yeh they are failing miserably and they are good at killing Children. Its not that they aren't intending to harm civilian mate, but it looks like they are! The U.N even told them there are areas thats under U.N jurisdiction, but they didn't listen and they bombed a school owned by the U.N  that killed 40 people, most of them were children. Hamas were firing rockets from the U.N building? you tell me.

over 640 Palestinian killed! Hamas aren't the one dropping the bombs, Israel are. From what Im saying Barry, I don't know if Israel will finish them off, till now they have done nothing to justify why they went all gun blazing on Gaza.

So many people right now are scared here in Lebanon because Hizballah are on high alert in the south of Lebanon, as well as Israel in the north of Israel, so there may be a war happening, I don't think Hizballah will do anything stupid though.

Emerald, spot on mate.

So what do you reckon Israel should do MH?
Personally I think they are doing the only thing they can to ensure the shelling stops.
As I said if innocents die its sad,but it happens!
As for Israel started it.Well thats what you are hearing.Here its saying Hamas broke the ceasefire.Interesting that this is a pro Israel country and yours is pro Palestinian,both are blaming the other! :D

I've been listening to both side of the stories mate, I have CNN ( which drives me insane lol), but I do agree in a way that Hamas has done alot of wrong, especially when they had an internal fight with Fatah. However mate, as I said, to my own analysis, Israel started it because there was never a truce in the first place! They had a blockade all around Gaza, this isn't truce, its war! It lasted for 18 months, and Hamas have warned Israel many times to lift it because people were dying of starvation! They get only 5 hours of electricity per day in Gaza you know that? only 5 hours, last month they only got 3 hours per day. Its madness!

Israel will not eliminate Hamas, they can't.
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Postby Number 9 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:03 pm

Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:The American and British governments are not absolved of any bloodshed currently going on

and the Arab government just sit there and do nothing. :(

America and Britain are the only two nations that can do anything to stop what is going on. That's just a fact. Until then, those two regions will always be at war with each other.

They sent feckin Tony Blair to help...WTF! :D

Problem solved, then.

Joking aside he did have a lot to do with bringing peace to Northern Ireland..something the majority of people here thought they would NEVER see!I sure never expected peace when I was growing up.

I doubt theres much he can do over there though.Both sides seem as stubborn as eachother.
I reckon Hamas' best bet is to call a ceasefire,stop shelling Israel.Then if Israel keep up what they are doing they will loose any support they have outside their own country.
But while Hamas continue to shell Israel,Hamas must be rooted out.
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Postby Number 9 » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:04 pm

metalhead wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Number 9 wrote:Israels message is simple..Hamas stop firing rockets into civilian areas and Israel will lay off!Hamas are bringing this all on their own people..its their fault that this is happening.Israel warned them and warned them to stop with the rockets and still they kept firing them.
Its very sad that innocent people are dying but that unfortunately happens in war.Hamas are living in amongst civilians practically using themas human shields,its their fault that people are dying.Israel cant just keep saying please stop bombing our towns and people because they wont listen.
If Hamas had any sense they'd stop the bombing into Israel,saying that I fear its too late even if they do stop I reckon israel will finish the job now they've gone this far.

Mate, Hamas didn't bring this to the Palestinian people, Israel started it from the first place, believe me when I say it, they actually did.

During this so called "Truce'', Israel inflicted a Blockade around Gaza, that really f*cked up the whole place. Palestinians were slowly dying of starvation, there was no food, no water, not even electricity. So many times other countries told Israel to withdraw their blockade for aid to go in, for the people to get some electricity, some food and water! Now tell me, is that truce? killing those people slowly.

Hamas living among the people? ofcourse they ARE Palestinians!!! they aren't like Al Quada who are a multi national terrorist group. The same with Hizballah, they are Lebanese, as well as Hamas and Fateh. Basically they have the same rights as any other Palestinian citizen.

Then goes Israel saying their operation is to stop rockets firing inside, well yeh they are failing miserably and they are good at killing Children. Its not that they aren't intending to harm civilian mate, but it looks like they are! The U.N even told them there are areas thats under U.N jurisdiction, but they didn't listen and they bombed a school owned by the U.N  that killed 40 people, most of them were children. Hamas were firing rockets from the U.N building? you tell me.

over 640 Palestinian killed! Hamas aren't the one dropping the bombs, Israel are. From what Im saying Barry, I don't know if Israel will finish them off, till now they have done nothing to justify why they went all gun blazing on Gaza.

So many people right now are scared here in Lebanon because Hizballah are on high alert in the south of Lebanon, as well as Israel in the north of Israel, so there may be a war happening, I don't think Hizballah will do anything stupid though.

Emerald, spot on mate.

So what do you reckon Israel should do MH?
Personally I think they are doing the only thing they can to ensure the shelling stops.
As I said if innocents die its sad,but it happens!
As for Israel started it.Well thats what you are hearing.Here its saying Hamas broke the ceasefire.Interesting that this is a pro Israel country and yours is pro Palestinian,both are blaming the other! :D

I've been listening to both side of the stories mate, I have CNN ( which drives me insane lol), but I do agree in a way that Hamas has done alot of wrong, especially when they had an internal fight with Fatah. However mate, as I said, to my own analysis, Israel started it because there was never a truce in the first place! They had a blockade all around Gaza, this isn't truce, its war! It lasted for 18 months, and Hamas have warned Israel many times to lift it because people were dying of starvation! They get only 5 hours of electricity per day in Gaza you know that? only 5 hours, last month they only got 3 hours per day. Its madness!

Israel will not eliminate Hamas, they can't.

Well wheres it gonna end then?
Why do they not just accept eachothers right to live?
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Postby metalhead » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:08 pm

Hamas won't stop shelling until Israel withdraw their forces and stop the airstrikes, the EU union have asked Israel to do so, but they refused  :)
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Postby Emerald Red » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:15 pm

Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
Number 9 wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:
metalhead wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:The American and British governments are not absolved of any bloodshed currently going on

and the Arab government just sit there and do nothing. :(

America and Britain are the only two nations that can do anything to stop what is going on. That's just a fact. Until then, those two regions will always be at war with each other.

They sent feckin Tony Blair to help...WTF! :D

Problem solved, then.

Joking aside he did have a lot to do with bringing peace to Northern Ireland..something the majority of people here thought they would NEVER see!I sure never expected peace when I was growing up.

I doubt theres much he can do over there though.Both sides seem as stubborn as eachother.
I reckon Hamas' best bet is to call a ceasefire,stop shelling Israel.Then if Israel keep up what they are doing they will loose any support they have outside their own country.
But while Hamas continue to shell Israel,Hamas must be rooted out.

It's true that he did that in N.I. Though Israel is a different beast altogether. I'll probably open a can of worms here, but Israel is the native home of the Jew, and everyone knows that some of the most lucrative business's in America and elsewhere are Jewish owned. They are the number crunchers of the American economy, so why would America poke their noses in and bite the proverbial hand that helps to feed them? It would be cutting their own noses off to spite their faces. No jokes allowed at that last pun either.
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Postby neil » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:17 pm

it wont stop until Israel nuke Iran.
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Postby Emerald Red » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:20 pm

neil wrote:it wont stop until Israel nuke Iran.

What's Iran got to do with it?
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Postby Cool Hand Luke » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:29 pm

neil wrote:it wont stop until Israel nuke Iran.

Or Iran nuke Israel.
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Postby Emerald Red » Tue Jan 06, 2009 8:33 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:
neil wrote:it wont stop until Israel nuke Iran.

Or Iran nuke Israel.

Or they fire one off at the same time and see what happens. Though the Iranians would probably lose that one because they'd most likely send someone up in a car with the nuke strapped to their back. It would be the biggest suicide bombing in history.
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