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by **A.B.** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:41 pm

I apologize for making another Arsenal-Liverpool related topic but I have something to share with you all and I think the rest of the topics are bit spamful at the moment.

-I don't know if you all remember Tottingham Forests record, 21 wins, 21 draws = 42 games unbeaten. They were unbeaten from 1977 until 1978. Their record came to a stop when we (Liverpool) beat them on November 20thish (don't know the exact date) in 1978.

Arsenal set a new record of their own that is superior than Forests. Here is the irony of all this, on November 28th, Liverpool will face Arsenal for the first time this season. Will history repeat it self by Liverpool ending yet another record this time set by Arsenal? I believe we can.

I watched the Boro and Arsenal game, both teams played extremely well but Arsenal came on top at the end. Boro made one slight mistake that we have made in the past against Arsenal, we settled for a 2-1 (or higher) lead, which is something that you simply can not do against Arsenal.

I must give the Gunners credit for their good performance but I looked closely at both Boro's and Arsenal's defence.

First the goalkeepers were funny imo. Dudek/Kirkland is/are god(s) compared to Arsenal's and Boro's goalkeeper. They both alowed shots outside of the box for the most part which I think Dudek/Kirkland could had stopped those shots and Arsenal's defence is quite poor. They let Boro get through them quite easily. <----there is the Arsenal flaw.

1, being their goalkeeper and 2,their sloppy defence. Arsenal is very fortunate to have good strikers because last season they were always behind one ore more goals, so they had to come back and with the help of their strikers, win the game. However Liverpool at the moment is a very solid squad for the most part, every squad has a flaw, that has to be pointed out because no squad can be perfect otherwise we wouldn't be humans.

In my opinion our midfield and defence is superior then Arsenal's. Do they expect us to let them score 5 goals? With the midfield and the defence that we got, it is going to be a very hard thing to do and at the moment Liverpool is becoming more and more solid. Obiviously Rafa has the experience. He has proven that he can win something within the first season. La Liga is just as hard as the Premiership but there are some differences and I think that Rafa has noticed that in the two games that we have played.

We the fans shouldn't be worrying ourselves too much about Arsenal,Chelsea and I don't even know why people are talking about Manchester United, because their current squad is a joke. (A win over Norwich is a joke, Norwich could had scored another goal and it would had been a draw). Keep the faith, with Rafa and our squad things can and will happen that will show the world that Liverpool is a force to be reckoned with.

Y-N-W-A.

by **C-R** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:13 pm

Very nice thread, some really good points there mate.

I think on our day we can beat most teams, however if they (Arsenal) are at full steem we may struggle.

The future certainly is bright though

by **madred** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:20 pm

Makes me think back to the game last season at Anfield where we should have been 3-0 up by half time but we went in 1-1 due to that flukey Edu header. Got to hand it to Pires for that stunning winner but we should have wrapped that game up and hopefully if we get the same amount of chances this season against them we will bury them.

by **A.B.** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:34 pm

Wouldn't be something if both LFC and Arsenal were unbeaten this year and it came down to who won more games than the other?

I am really looking forward to our game against Arsenal in November, it would be a great thing if we were to end yet another record in November like we did against Forest.

by **fivecups** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:55 pm

I hope for the sake of the season that someone has beaten Arsenal before November 28th.

by **A.B.** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:10 am

Good point but I would like to see Liverpool crush Arsenal just as well.

by **A.B.** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:43 am

We have so much potential of doing good this season under Rafa. Our squad is improving every day. Imo Arsenal aren't the Invincibles because when they enter Anfield, when they step on the pitch it will be a whole new world for them because Liverpool won't go down without a fight, we are a force to be reckon with.

I don't want to sound biased because I'm a LFC fan but I know that we can beat Arsenal and that we can win this season. Its certainly not impossible.

by **stapo1000** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:48 am

they still have some of their best defensive players(campbell and viera) to come back in the squad before they play us which makes it even tougher

by **A.B.** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:07 am

True they have Viera and Campbell but one or two players don't make them the best. We aren't Boro, to let them go through the midfield and the defence without a sweat.

by **laza** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:09 am

Will history repeat itself?

Does Terry Mac still have a perm

by **zarababe** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:29 am

Arsenal were losing 3-1 at one stage.. 5-3 is a good comeback.. but if a more resolute team were against them they might not have made-up the defecit..

Wishful thinking perhaps.. but Arsenal may not be as strong as last season, Chelsea have stregthened (naaa) and we're hopefully in better shape... it''s not gonna be such an easy ride for them.. but whoever finishes above them will be Champions... that's for sure :cool:

by **anfieldadorer** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 5:12 am

A.B. wrote:First the goalkeepers were funny imo. Dudek/Kirkland is/are god(s) compared to Arsenal's and Boro's goalkeeper. They both alowed shots outside of the box for the most part which I think Dudek/Kirkland could had stopped those shots and Arsenal's defence is quite poor. They let Boro get through them quite easily. <----there is the Arsenal flaw.
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In my opinion our midfield is superior then Arsenal's.
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We the fans shouldn't be worrying ourselves too much about Arsenal,Chelsea

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It's true, in the Boro match their defense looked vulnerable, don't know why they fielded another dodgy player beside Lehmann: pascal cygan. But the point's just there, even with vulnerable defense, they were able to play superbly. I think Wenger is more than aware about this. He definitely will sort it out and make them more scary, and remember, he still have much times to do this.

I'm not worrying, even I'm sure we have a big chance to beat them, but being realistic.

To be the champion, you don't merely talk about how to beat Arsenal, Chelsea and Manure. IMO we are capable to beat them all. But to be the champion you must also think about more complicated factors that sometimes are more important than technical measurements, e.g. "I WILL WIN THIS" mentality and how such suggestion is deeply implanted into your soul. Arsenal ALREADY have it. Technically, having been built systematically since the arrival of Wenger, Arsenal player can play the ball "with eyes closed" (read:fluency), a kind of factor that you can gain overnight, I believe even Chelsea haven't reached this stage.

In my opinion our midfield is superior then Arsenal's.

It's too early to tell. Perhaps it IS on paper. But assessing strength in football is no Mathematics problem-solving. Comparing two sides with approximately coequal, experience and mentality to win is very essential.

by **azriahmad** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 6:02 am

In the past 2 seasons, in spite of the ultra defensive and dire style of play, Liverpool had a decent squad. Not quite good enough to really trouble Arsenal but actually good enough to have finished second in my opinion. We only lacked one thing and that thing alone makes the Houllier Liverpool squad not worthy of being champoins - consistency.

Under Houllier, we have the measure of the big clubs - Manure, Arsenal - but somehow can fall prey to the little clubs - Charlton, Bolton, Portsmouth etc.

Now that we have some more quality players, we need to also forge a better consistency in out play and getting of results. If we can be much more consistent that Arsenal or Chelsea or manure, we have a real chance of finishing on top of the league table come May 2005. Not a pipe dream, and we do not have to match Arsenal's champagne football because player for player (individually) we may not be on par with them right now, but consistency is the key.

Arsenal has shown their inconsistencies during matches itself - start strongly, lost the plot in the middle phases and finish strongly to come out on top. Their excellent offensive players have been able to rescue them so far, but their defense especially without Sol Campbell can be found really wanting. If we want to beat them, we have to improve our possession play and our passing.

by **A.B.** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:47 pm

I agree. I believe we can mantain a good ball possession in every game. Arsenal's strikers will run out of gas sooner or later, they're not robots to be able to score a lot in every game. If we have a good midfield and defence it will be harder for them to score, but if they have a shaky defence we have a better chance of scoring. It all depends on the players, if they are mentaly and physicaly ready to make Arsenal crumble.

Chelsea is incosistent with their shooting. I was watching their latest games and they don't have a lot of shots on target.

by **anfieldadorer** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 7:06 am

[quote="A.B."][/quote]
I agree. I believe we can mantain a good ball possession in every game. AND?

Arsenal's strikers will run out of gas sooner or later, ONLY ARSENAL'S? WHAT ABOUT OURS AND THE OTHERS?

they're not robots to be able to score a lot in every game. ROBOTS? WHAT ARE YOU TALKIN ABOUT?

If we have a good midfield and defence it will be harder for them to score, BUT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE GOOD MIDS AND DEFENSE (NOT ONLY 'IF')

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