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by **account deleted by request** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:55 pm

lakes10 wrote:we need to buy English.

WHY? Have all the "proven prem players" we have signed been so much better than the foreigners we have brought in?

I think we just have to buy quality and hope that they work out. Transfers are ALWAYS a gamble.

by **lakes10** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:15 pm

Why buy English.......they know what Liverpool is about and out history, never say die, You never walk alone.

Keane (not English but but i will give you that), has been a bit of a shock, he is a good player but i think he is past his best....or fish out of water (not sure yet).Crouch should still be in our first team.

too many of our player dont know what the FA cup is about, they think all they have to do is to turn up and they will win the game, it comes as a bit of a shock when they are taken on a run from a div2 side......that is also true of Rafa in his first year.

too many player in our team right now dont know our history or what it means to put on a Liverpool shirt.

(ok so i know this post is a bit over the top but you know what i am saying)

not sure but under new rules are we not ment to have move home grown players.

by **stmichael** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:25 pm

john craig wrote:
Scottbot wrote:
john craig wrote:Martins is a player I want us to seriously consider. Top player, slightly wasteful in front of goal but always gets into goalscoring positions and can make his own chances.

He'd be a reasonable price as well, couldn't see him costing more than 7-8 mill depending on his contract situation and he would be a good fit for the way we play. Would love to see him at the club.

What is it that seems to put clubs off him though?

the fact that he's actually 43 not 23

by **RedEire** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:26 pm

I said in a previous thread that we needed someone like Hamann or McAllister who could be brought on late in a game when we are struggling to break down teams. To come on, put foot on ball and bring some order to those that might be getting a tad frustrated, a la last Monday night against West Ham. Who that person is, I dont know - perhaps Henry - ideal to bring on as he is not one to just slash at the ball for the sake of it and would have that little bit of genius required to get a goal. Whether is would ever be available i dont know but if i recall reading in Gerrard's autobiography, it was something that Gerrard would love to see and he is friendly with Henry - what exactly is his situation with Barca now???

by **Emerald Red** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 7:46 pm

Ciggy wrote:
lakes10 wrote:we need to buy English.

Are you sure? The english players that Rafa has bought havent really cut it here, keane, Pennant, Bellamy, Crouch (He wanted to leave I know). Plus they are the most overated, overpaid players on the planet.

Keane and Bellamy aren't English. You mean Premiership players, then aye. True, English and Premiership players cost too much and are much overrated. The jury is still out on Keane, though.

by **stmichael** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:15 pm

Hard to believe that we're top of the league isn't it?

I still think we would benefit from another creative player, someone an improvement on Benayoun if you like who can play in the AM positions. We would benefit a lot from someone with control and technique with the eye for a clever pass. Our only player who really has that passing ability is Alonso and he's often used far too deep to make the most of it. He's not often in the final third.

I think aside from that though, it's our style that needs to improve to break stubborn defences down. We have to increase the tempo, desperately, as well as look for our full-backs when they overlap to continue as far as the byline and cut inside behind defences when possible. We don't stretch teams enough and too often are laboured such that they reorganise. I think we should try to play less narrow also when teams drop deep, 'cause it's far too easy to defend against if you're organised - Riera and whoever's on the right needs to double up with our full-backs and murder the opposition's full-backs, getting beyond them repeatedly and getting behind the defence.

We're not that far off though and in a way i'm glad our only major problem is that we're failing to break teams who defend with 10 behind the ball down at home. I think it's something we can overcome because our players don't become bad players overnight. I'm glad we're away on Saturday against a team who are struggling as the pressure of the crowd will be off.

by **bigmick** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:22 pm

If you are buying an "impact player" for January, one who has the potential to carry us over the line in the Prem there are a few aspects to look at.

I think you need to buy firstly 'proven'. This doesn't necessarily mean Premiership proven, but it does mean top quality league/International credentials. That said, obviously Premiership proven is the ideal, even if there are no certainties. Many point to Keane as evidence of this, but he hasn't really got going yet and there's an ongoing debate about whether or not he's the right type of striker we needed, for me there's no debate that he's a quality player. There is the distinct possibility he may never prove it at Liverpool, but I would be surprised if anyone is of the opinion that he's not at least a very good player.

Secondly the person obviously has to be affordable. Usually this is going to mean a player who is on big money and in the latter stages of his contract that the club would like to offload. It also probably means you are looking at players over their ealry to mid twenties.

Thirdly the fella has to be hungry enough to want to bust a gut to make an impact.

Thierry Henri, he's the fella.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:27 pm

by **stmichael** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:38 pm

if not henry then eidur gudjohnsen isn't a bad shout. he's not getting a look in as far as i'm aware.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:55 pm

Eider Gudjohnsen would be a great signing in January. If we could get him on loan until the end of the season with a view to permanent transfer in the summer that would be perfect.

He is the right player to play in behind Torres. To think we could have probably got him for less than half the price we paid for Keane.

by **Quadrophenia** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:09 pm

Although neither of these has "proven" Premiership quality they'd both be cracking signings on the cheap.

1) Joe Mattock, best left back outside the Premiership and better than most in England's top flight as well including our very own Andrea Dossena. The England U-21 international has helped Nigel Pearson's Leicester side storm to the top of League 1 with a bit of help from Jack Hobbs and David Martin.

2) Michael Kietly, really promising right winger and knows how to run past people with the ball rather than just run round and then play it backwards. Again he's having a top drawer season, I think it's seven goals for him already for Mick McCarthy's side which currently sit pretty at the top of the Championship. But with Paul Anderson's return next season, this signing won't be as vital in six or seven months but is now.

Now Mattock is quality and it doesn't look like Insua is gonna get his deserved chance anytime soon, so we need another quality left back because my god is Dossena :censored:

. Kietly would show Babel what to do with bags of pace and show Kuyt how to corss.

Other "cheap" (both wages and fee) options Ebanks-Blake from Wolves, scores for absoloute fun. I've said we didn't need a forward but with Torres' injury looking likely to keep him out for longer than expected, we will need one because Nemeth isn't getting a chance and Ngog should just go. Another forward who I've been singing the praises of for quite a while is Steven Fletcher from Hibs. Real quality. I still want us to sign Hennersay from Wolves because Cavalieri and Intandje are useless.

by **NANNY RED** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:26 pm

Ill have to go an wikki them ive never heard of them :laugh:

by **stmichael** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:31 pm

Quadrophenia wrote:Although neither of these has "proven" Premiership quality they'd both be cracking signings on the cheap.

1) Joe Mattock, best left back outside the Premiership and better than most in England's top flight as well including our very own Andrea Dossena. The England U-21 international has helped Nigel Pearson's Leicester side storm to the top of League 1 with a bit of help from Jack Hobbs and David Martin.

2) Michael Kietly, really promising right winger and knows how to run past people with the ball rather than just run round and then play it backwards. Again he's having a top drawer season, I think it's seven goals for him already for Mick McCarthy's side which currently sit pretty at the top of the Championship. But with Paul Anderson's return next season, this signing won't be as vital in six or seven months but is now.

Now Mattock is quality and it doesn't look like Insua is gonna get his deserved chance anytime soon, so we need another quality left back because my god is Dossena . Kietly would show Babel what to do with bags of pace and show Kuyt how to corss.

Other "cheap" (both wages and fee) options Ebanks-Blake from Wolves, scores for absoloute fun. I've said we didn't need a forward but with Torres' injury looking likely to keep him out for longer than expected, we will need one because Nemeth isn't getting a chance and Ngog should just go. Another forward who I've been singing the praises of for quite a while is Steven Fletcher from Hibs. Real quality. I still want us to sign Hennersay from Wolves because Cavalieri and Intandje are useless.

Is this a wind up?

by **Quadrophenia** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:40 pm

stmichael wrote:
Quadrophenia wrote:Although neither of these has "proven" Premiership quality they'd both be cracking signings on the cheap.

1) Joe Mattock, best left back outside the Premiership and better than most in England's top flight as well including our very own Andrea Dossena. The England U-21 international has helped Nigel Pearson's Leicester side storm to the top of League 1 with a bit of help from Jack Hobbs and David Martin.

2) Michael Kietly, really promising right winger and knows how to run past people with the ball rather than just run round and then play it backwards. Again he's having a top drawer season, I think it's seven goals for him already for Mick McCarthy's side which currently sit pretty at the top of the Championship. But with Paul Anderson's return next season, this signing won't be as vital in six or seven months but is now.

Now Mattock is quality and it doesn't look like Insua is gonna get his deserved chance anytime soon, so we need another quality left back because my god is Dossena . Kietly would show Babel what to do with bags of pace and show Kuyt how to corss.

Other "cheap" (both wages and fee) options Ebanks-Blake from Wolves, scores for absoloute fun. I've said we didn't need a forward but with Torres' injury looking likely to keep him out for longer than expected, we will need one because Nemeth isn't getting a chance and Ngog should just go. Another forward who I've been singing the praises of for quite a while is Steven Fletcher from Hibs. Real quality. I still want us to sign Hennersay from Wolves because Cavalieri and Intandje are useless.

Is this a wind up?

Course it is mate I mean how dare there be quality in the lower leagues eh. That's just like unthinkable isn't it. A lad playing in England but not the Premiership must surely be talentless and anyone suggesting must obviously be on a wind up.

Get a grip mate.

by **stmichael** » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:47 pm

Quadrophenia wrote:
stmichael wrote:
Quadrophenia wrote:Although neither of these has "proven" Premiership quality they'd both be cracking signings on the cheap.

1) Joe Mattock, best left back outside the Premiership and better than most in England's top flight as well including our very own Andrea Dossena. The England U-21 international has helped Nigel Pearson's Leicester side storm to the top of League 1 with a bit of help from Jack Hobbs and David Martin.

2) Michael Kietly, really promising right winger and knows how to run past people with the ball rather than just run round and then play it backwards. Again he's having a top drawer season, I think it's seven goals for him already for Mick McCarthy's side which currently sit pretty at the top of the Championship. But with Paul Anderson's return next season, this signing won't be as vital in six or seven months but is now.

Now Mattock is quality and it doesn't look like Insua is gonna get his deserved chance anytime soon, so we need another quality left back because my god is Dossena . Kietly would show Babel what to do with bags of pace and show Kuyt how to corss.

Other "cheap" (both wages and fee) options Ebanks-Blake from Wolves, scores for absoloute fun. I've said we didn't need a forward but with Torres' injury looking likely to keep him out for longer than expected, we will need one because Nemeth isn't getting a chance and Ngog should just go. Another forward who I've been singing the praises of for quite a while is Steven Fletcher from Hibs. Real quality. I still want us to sign Hennersay from Wolves because Cavalieri and Intandje are useless.

Is this a wind up?

Course it is mate I mean how dare there be quality in the lower leagues eh. That's just like unthinkable isn't it. A lad playing in England but not the Premiership must surely be talentless and anyone suggesting must obviously be on a wind up.

Get a grip mate.

i'm not saying they're not good players but lets be realistic. leicester and wolves are top of their respective leagues and are vying for promotion so there's no way in a million years they'd let their best players go in the middle of a promotion campaign.

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