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[Quadrophenia]

Although neither of these has "proven" Premiership quality they'd both be cracking signings on the cheap.

1) Joe Mattock, best left back outside the Premiership and better than most in England's top flight as well including our very own Andrea Dossena. The England U-21 international has helped Nigel Pearson's Leicester side storm to the top of League 1 with a bit of help from Jack Hobbs and David Martin.

2) Michael Kietly, really promising right winger and knows how to run past people with the ball rather than just run round and then play it backwards. Again he's having a top drawer season, I think it's seven goals for him already for Mick McCarthy's side which currently sit pretty at the top of the Championship. But with Paul Anderson's return next season, this signing won't be as vital in six or seven months but is now.

Now Mattock is quality and it doesn't look like Insua is gonna get his deserved chance anytime soon, so we need another quality left back because my god is Dossena . Kietly would show Babel what to do with bags of pace and show Kuyt how to corss.

Other "cheap" (both wages and fee) options Ebanks-Blake from Wolves, scores for absoloute fun. I've said we didn't need a forward but with Torres' injury looking likely to keep him out for longer than expected, we will need one because Nemeth isn't getting a chance and Ngog should just go. Another forward who I've been singing the praises of for quite a while is Steven Fletcher from Hibs. Real quality. I still want us to sign Hennersay from Wolves because Cavalieri and Intandje are useless.

Is this a wind up?

Course it is mate I mean how dare there be quality in the lower leagues eh. That's just like unthinkable isn't it. A lad playing in England but not the Premiership must surely be talentless and anyone suggesting must obviously be on a wind up.

Get a grip mate.

i'm not saying they're not good players but lets be realistic. leicester and wolves are top of their respective leagues and are vying for promotion so there's no way in a million years they'd let their best players go in the middle of a promotion campaign.

Every player has their price.

If top clubs come sniffing and the big time is offered to a player then he'll tell the club he wants to leave and they won't want an unhappy player at the club distrubting their promotion campaign.

[Madmax]

Bring back david james

[dawson99]

kielty and Matlock?

[tubby]

we need to buy English.

Are you sure? The english players that Rafa has bought havent really cut it here, keane, Pennant, Bellamy, Crouch (He wanted to leave I know). Plus they are the most overated, overpaid players on the planet.

Thats because they are all 2nd rate players at best. 

If he had the money to go for the top ones that would be different.

The bottom line is we cant afford top English talent. We never could and for the immediate future we wont ever. So im guessing Rafa will look abroad. But then again who even said Rafa has any money to get anyone abroad. My guess is that he will have to raise the money first by selling the shyte players and maybe Alonso too.

[dawson99]

We cant afford the top talent? We spent 20+mill on Robbie and 6+ on Dossena, the lack of money ain't the problem mate

[RedEire]

Exactly get rid of Dossena, Benayoun, Degen, Itandje, Pennant and Ngog - all together they should bring in £25mill - and also losing wages for 6 players - surely there is a player out there such as Henry or Gudjohnsen that would (a) be willing to come and (b) Rafa would want.  We need someone who may not be on the starting 11 but someone who can come off the bench and make the necessary impact - either by getting a score or calming things down when things are going wrong such as last Monday

[tubby]

We cant afford the top talent? We spent 20+mill on Robbie and 6+ on Dossena, the lack of money ain't the problem mate

Ok maybe I worded it wrong. When we have put the squeeze on the board we can sometimes get top players in some positions. Torres, Keane, Masch and Alonso are all examples. Well Alonso was only 10Mil so not so much. Aside from the odd big signing we have . In this day and age anyone in the top 7 of the table will generally have at least 1 or even 2 players wirth 15Milish. Even the bitters paid a hefty amount for that Fellani guy. Alves was expensive too.

The point I was making was that we can NOT afford top talent genrally all round which is where teams like Utd and Chelsea have the advantage as they have strength in depth.

An injury to Torres and look we cant even win a home game. I am dreading the both Torres and Gerrard are out.

[Ciggy]

I know Michael Kielty and I can personally say he wouldnt even cut in the bottom 3, of the league never mind LFC.
Nothing against the kid like but I used to babysit him.

On a brighter note Adam Pepper is 16 soon say no more
Rafa please do not ruine this kid.

[Emerald Red]

I know Michael Kielty and I can personally say he wouldnt even cut in the bottom 3, of the league never mind LFC.
Nothing against the kid like but I used to babysit him.

On a brighter note Adam Pepper is 16 soon say no more
Rafa please do not ruine this kid.

You used to babysit Paddy Kielty? 

[Ciggy]

I know Michael Kielty and I can personally say he wouldnt even cut in the bottom 3, of the league never mind LFC.
Nothing against the kid like but I used to babysit him.

On a brighter note Adam Pepper is 16 soon say no more
Rafa please do not ruine this kid.

You used to babysit Paddy Kielty? 

Michael.

[Emerald Red]

I know Michael Kielty and I can personally say he wouldnt even cut in the bottom 3, of the league never mind LFC.
Nothing against the kid like but I used to babysit him.

On a brighter note Adam Pepper is 16 soon say no more
Rafa please do not ruine this kid.

You used to babysit Paddy Kielty? 

Michael me young whipper snapper, Michael god bless ya, up de Oirish.

I dunno, sarcasm is lost on me these days...I think.

[aCe']

We cant afford the top talent? We spent 20+mill on Robbie and 6+ on Dossena, the lack of money ain't the problem mate

Ok maybe I worded it wrong. When we have put the squeeze on the board we can sometimes get top players in some positions. Torres, Keane, Masch and Alonso are all examples. Well Alonso was only 10Mil so not so much. Aside from the odd big signing we have . In this day and age anyone in the top 7 of the table will generally have at least 1 or even 2 players wirth 15Milish. Even the bitters paid a hefty amount for that Fellani guy. Alves was expensive too.

The point I was making was that we can NOT afford top talent genrally all round which is where teams like Utd and Chelsea have the advantage as they have strength in depth.

An injury to Torres and look we cant even win a home game. I am dreading the both Torres and Gerrard are out.

no you didnt word it wrong mate you just got it wrong all together !

we outspent Manutd and Arsenal by some margin and are pretty close to Chelsea's spending in the past couple of seasons or so i guess.. we'v spent ridiculous money and the whole "we cant match the big ones in terms of spending" argument doesnt really work anymore ! We buy way too many average players and if you think we'r not doing too well in the transfer market then it has got to be Rafa's fault and not the board's fault... because as far as im concerned Rafa has been backed up by the board and had more than enough to spend on so-called 'top targets'...

[Emerald Red]

We cant afford the top talent? We spent 20+mill on Robbie and 6+ on Dossena, the lack of money ain't the problem mate

Ok maybe I worded it wrong. When we have put the squeeze on the board we can sometimes get top players in some positions. Torres, Keane, Masch and Alonso are all examples. Well Alonso was only 10Mil so not so much. Aside from the odd big signing we have . In this day and age anyone in the top 7 of the table will generally have at least 1 or even 2 players wirth 15Milish. Even the bitters paid a hefty amount for that Fellani guy. Alves was expensive too.

The point I was making was that we can NOT afford top talent genrally all round which is where teams like Utd and Chelsea have the advantage as they have strength in depth.

An injury to Torres and look we cant even win a home game. I am dreading the both Torres and Gerrard are out.

no you didnt word it wrong mate you just got it wrong all together !

we outspent Manutd and Arsenal by some margin and are pretty close to Chelsea's spending in the past couple of seasons or so i guess.. we'v spent ridiculous money and the whole "we cant match the big ones in terms of spending" argument doesnt really work anymore ! We buy way too many average players and if you think we'r not doing too well in the transfer market then it has got to be Rafa's fault and not the board's fault... because as far as im concerned Rafa has been backed up by the board and had more than enough to spend on so-called 'top targets'...

We've outspent United and Chelsea by some margin? 

[aCe']

We cant afford the top talent? We spent 20+mill on Robbie and 6+ on Dossena, the lack of money ain't the problem mate

Ok maybe I worded it wrong. When we have put the squeeze on the board we can sometimes get top players in some positions. Torres, Keane, Masch and Alonso are all examples. Well Alonso was only 10Mil so not so much. Aside from the odd big signing we have . In this day and age anyone in the top 7 of the table will generally have at least 1 or even 2 players wirth 15Milish. Even the bitters paid a hefty amount for that Fellani guy. Alves was expensive too.

The point I was making was that we can NOT afford top talent genrally all round which is where teams like Utd and Chelsea have the advantage as they have strength in depth.

An injury to Torres and look we cant even win a home game. I am dreading the both Torres and Gerrard are out.

no you didnt word it wrong mate you just got it wrong all together !

we outspent Manutd and Arsenal by some margin and are pretty close to Chelsea's spending in the past couple of seasons or so i guess.. we'v spent ridiculous money and the whole "we cant match the big ones in terms of spending" argument doesnt really work anymore ! We buy way too many average players and if you think we'r not doing too well in the transfer market then it has got to be Rafa's fault and not the board's fault... because as far as im concerned Rafa has been backed up by the board and had more than enough to spend on so-called 'top targets'...

We've outspent United and Chelsea by some margin? 

read it again

[Owzat]

Exactly get rid of Dossena, Benayoun, Degen, Itandje, Pennant and Ngog - all together they should bring in £25mill - and also losing wages for 6 players - surely there is a player out there such as Henry or Gudjohnsen that would (a) be willing to come and (b) Rafa would want.  We need someone who may not be on the starting 11 but someone who can come off the bench and make the necessary impact - either by getting a score or calming things down when things are going wrong such as last Monday

Say

Dossena £5m
Pennant £5m
Benayoun £5m
Degen £2.5m
Itandje £1m
N'Gog £2m

Struggling to get £25m from that lot, you'd be looking at around £5m combined from selling the latter three, I've been generous in valuing them. I've arguably been generous in pricing the first three, might well get a bit for Dossena by selling him back to Serie A, but Pennant we'd be hard pressed to force out let alone get £5m for. Benayoun I doubt will raise more than we paid for him. And even if we got £15m-£20m for those six, how many players could we get? Maybe two or three of who knows what quality given Rafa paid £20m for that lot in the first place