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redbeergoggles wrote:

s@int wrote:

If you think that Mourinho's two league titles with Chelsea is gonna turn Dirk Kuyt into a 20 goal a season man then you're deluding yourself.

I don't - I think we wouldn't see Kuyt for dust, Mourinho certainly wouldn't persevere with a player with no goal threat playing up front for a season and a half mate.

If you think that Mourinho's two league titles with Chelsea is gonna turn Xabi Alonso into a scoring midfielder then you're wrong.

While I wouldn't expect god himself to be able to turn Alonso into a goalscoring midfieldplayer, he might just turn him back into an effective deep lying playmaker again.

If you think that Mourinho's two league titles with Chelsea is gonna suddenly turn us into this fast flowing Liverpool of old you're barking up the wrong tree mate

I don't - I would just expect him to turn us into an effective winning machine, that plays to its potential more often than not and give the players the motivation and desire to turn up every week not just in Europe or when it suits. I would expect him to win a few of the 6 pointers rather than folding like a cheap shirt like we have done on more than one occasion over the last few years.

If Mourinho came in he'd do well to get second

Thats still better than 4th mate, and I would be willing to bet that under Mourinho we would CHALLENGE for the title, something that we have not yet achieved under Rafa.

I can't stand the and never want to see him in the home dugout at Anfield.

I have no doubt if Rafa had gone to Chelsea rather than us YOU WOULD BE SAYING THE SAME THINGS NOW ABOUT RAFA

Its time a few people started to grow up, I would rather have a winner in charge than a nice guy that wins nothing. (and before anyone starts I am not referring to Rafa)

I have no doubt that Rafa can be a c*nt when he needs to be, you don't achieve success by being a pussy. Don't forget good ol' uncle Bob used to be Shanks hit man before Moran took on the role.

We don't have the money to be the nice guys anymore, if we are going to challenge and win more we have to see a bit more steel and a bit less velvet glove. If we have to play ugly to win a game I WANT our players to play ugly. 

You don't even know Mourinho yet you hate him

Sorry mate but I think you read too many comics.

I want the best manager and the best players at Liverpool, if thats Rafa......... great, if its not, we should be trying to sign whoever is!

Mourinho is tactically naive, we all seen this when he was reduced to playing Huth upfront in a desperate attempt to penetrate our rearguard.
We all witnessed his  influence at Anfield when he was handed a second opportunity to take Chelsea to a European cup final ,again he blew it ,in point of fact i think the ball boys had more influence on that particular game .
Its now patently obvious thats the type of media darling you would deem qualified to take up the esteemed reins of our glorious club ,but me as a scouser cannot abide the thought of an arrogant prancing diva like Mourinho, degrading this club and soiling our touchline with his histrionics ,surely the yanks have taken us as low as is possible, without this clown dropping us to new depths .
Sure Mourinho won titles ,but Avram Grant took Chelsea to the final day of the season with the Mancs and to a Champions league final ,and he was clueless .Its the team that took Mourinho to back to back Premiership titles .
If you want Hollywood go for a film star ,but lay off a man whose humility and standing amongst true supporters is synonymous with the greats, the man deserves time and a modicum of  patience, but more importantly he needs the true fans the essential heart of the club to beat in unison. 
I give you this scenario ,if Rafa were to leave for pastures new, and Mr Hollywood replaced him and indeed he won us the league ,but in that same season Rafa won the Champions league with his new club ,how long before the whining parasites start complaining about always being also rans in the Champions League,I bet you fella not long .

maguskwt wrote:

s@int wrote:I have no doubt if Rafa had gone to Chelsea rather than us YOU WOULD BE SAYING THE SAME THINGS NOW ABOUT RAFA

Its time a few people started to grow up, I would rather have a winner in charge than a nice guy that wins nothing. (and before anyone starts I am not referring to Rafa)

I have no doubt that Rafa can be a c*nt when he needs to be, you don't achieve success by being a pussy. Don't forget good ol' uncle Bob used to be Shanks hit man before Moran took on the role.

We don't have the money to be the nice guys anymore, if we are going to challenge and win more we have to see a bit more steel and a bit less velvet glove. If we have to play ugly to win a game I WANT our players to play ugly. 

You don't even know Mourinho yet you hate him

Sorry mate but I think you read too many comics.

I want the best manager and the best players at Liverpool, if thats Rafa......... great, if its not, we should be trying to sign whoever is!

It's not a matter of growing up. It's a matter of principle. Some people with principle will continue to dislike mourinho. The man does not have dignity... he is more of a sore loser than he is a winner... he has the courage to strike a man down when he's hurt... avram grant did better than he did last season in the league and avram grant did better than him than he ever did in europe with chelsea... that's considering grant took over after he messed up the start of the league for chelsea... so just because his ego was hurt by the sacking he has the courage to add insult to injury against grant. It's the same indignity that made him discredit LFC even after a fair and square beating we gave them. He is 10 times worse than Ferguson... it's amazing some people look up to those kind of qualities in a person and say that he is a winner but I guess it is their prerogative...

he isnt a sore loser. he is a confident ambitious man who doesnt consider the title as an option. besides, one lucky fan will get a winner's medal after he throws his into the crowd again as he already has one 

Bamaga man wrote:

Look at the team which won the Champions' League. Quite peobably the cheapest side to EVER win the big one.

Yes, with mostly Houllier players.

He has spent millions after that, and with what ? 4th spot, oh yes, all is fine and dandy.

s@int wrote:

You could say we lost a bit of value to the first team in losing Garcia, in fact I'd argue that bit creativity he provided is something we've lacked this season.

Surely thats a mistake by Rafa preferring Benayoun ? If it wasn't down to Garcia wanting to go?

Sissoko was exceptional in his first season (who knows if he'd have regained form? His form at Juve by all accounts is pretty good)

But Rafa wasn't giving him the chance to play regularly was he ? Masch and Gerrard, Masch and Lucas and later Masch and Alonso was his preferred choices. Sissoko left for first team football which didn't appear to be an option with us. The fact that since playing regularly again he has rediscovered his form is perhaps further damnation of Rafa's handling of players?

Bellamy was decent at times, as was Cisse. More potent than Kuyt and Voronin? I'd say so, overall potential effect on season?

So again it was a mistake by Rafa in replacing them with poorer quality....... and Babel?

We had to sell players who were of reasonable playing value in order to sanction deals to sign other players.

We had to sell players who had been replaced by supposedly better players ...... as do ALL CLUBS. If we didn't we would have a very large squad!

Emerald Red wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

Emerald Red wrote:

Bamaga man wrote:

There's no evidence that Grant was a good manager. He just got lucky against us in the CL.

And equally there is no evidence he is a bad one.

Thats bollo.x, especially bout the lucky thing against us. Well yes Riise Og was lucky, but unlike Mouriniho and Rafa himself, he didnt try toover complecate things and make weird tacical decisisons as Mouriniho did in the past. He kept it simple and beat us, simple.

Get it right: he, or they, didn't beat us. We beat us with our own mistakes (and an extra minute of ET that didn't exist). They were lucky. End of.

He and his team beat us 3-2 at the bridge, dress it up ith luck, but thats burying your head in the sand.

How the f*ck is that burying my head in the sand? Fact is this: we should have won by at least 3 or 4 at Anfield, and likewise at the Bridge. They went through by a overly late OG and a pen (which we should have had also). How the f*ck is that not lucky? The better team lost for a fact.

Anyway, this isn't the thread for it, so that's the last I'll write about it.

club_Levis wrote:

Ciggy wrote:Alex Ferguson wants to spend his £50m summer transfer budget within the next fortnight, with Micah Richards and Sevilla's Brazilian duo Luis Fabiano and Daniel Alves top of his wish-list.

Meanwhile Liverpool bid 1 million for
Bristol City defender Liam Fontaine.

If these things happen forget about winning any league for the for-seable future.

Not surprised...The manager talked about 3 additions to the squad...Deggen, Dossena and Probably Barry!!! and seeing he only regards winning the title as only an 'option' we can forget about winning the league.

So why is Rafa so patient ??

LFC2007 wrote:Better get him out of here sharpish then.