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by **Effes** » Tue May 27, 2008 12:36 am

Well, each season I take a deep breath before paying for my season ticket.
Im not wealthy, by a long stretch.

This year I wont be renewing and the Yanks are a major factor in my decision making.

by **Effes** » Tue May 27, 2008 12:38 am

sugarcoatediceberg91 wrote:If Mourinho came in he'd do well to get second.

But that's the thing - I think he would do well, and get 2nd.

Bu there's no point talking about Mourinho here.

by **Ciggy** » Tue May 27, 2008 12:49 am

Emerald Red wrote:That's bollox, Ciggy, and you know it. You'll always support the team and club no matter what. The Yanks could end up f*cking us, but not without a fight. If the sh*t hits the fans, those two c*nts will know about it.

E.R no its not sh!t, Ive been goin to Anfield since I was 5 Ive seen my team win the league, coming down scotty road along with the everton bus behind them when they won a cup even though we hate each other now, we didnt before.

But whats happened this past season has wiped away all my years of loving Liverpool, I love Liverpool because of the football, the players, the stadium.

But all I am worried about is the owners and what they are going to do and what they are not going to do, I havent even been thinking about new players, th only thing on my mind is for the yanks to leave.

They have to go they have ruined one of the most impotant things in my life, I want to love my team again and i cant until they leave.

My son wont be getting any new kits this season and we will not be going to any games until they go.

And if Hicks manages to pull off a new stadium I will not be setting foot inside his legacy and I swear that on my chids life.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue May 27, 2008 1:00 am

If you think that Mourinho's two league titles with Chelsea is gonna turn Dirk Kuyt into a 20 goal a season man then you're deluding yourself.

I don't - I think we wouldn't see Kuyt for dust, Mourinho certainly wouldn't persevere with a player with no goal threat playing up front for a season and a half mate.

If you think that Mourinho's two league titles with Chelsea is gonna turn Xabi Alonso into a scoring midfielder then you're wrong.

While I wouldn't expect god himself to be able to turn Alonso into a goalscoring midfieldplayer, he might just turn him back into an effective deep lying playmaker again.

If you think that Mourinho's two league titles with Chelsea is gonna suddenly turn us into this fast flowing Liverpool of old you're barking up the wrong tree mate

I don't - I would just expect him to turn us into an effective winning machine, that plays to its potential more often than not and give the players the motivation and desire to turn up every week not just in Europe or when it suits. I would expect him to win a few of the 6 pointers rather than folding like a cheap shirt like we have done on more than one occasion over the last few years.

If Mourinho came in he'd do well to get second

Thats still better than 4th mate, and I would be willing to bet that under Mourinho we would CHALLENGE for the title, something that we have not yet achieved under Rafa.

I can't stand the and never want to see him in the home dugout at Anfield.

I have no doubt if Rafa had gone to Chelsea rather than us YOU WOULD BE SAYING THE SAME THINGS NOW ABOUT RAFA

Its time a few people started to grow up, I would rather have a winner in charge than a nice guy that wins nothing. (and before anyone starts I am not referring to Rafa)

I have no doubt that Rafa can be a c*nt when he needs to be, you don't achieve success by being a pussy. Don't forget good ol' uncle Bob used to be Shanks hit man before Moran took on the role.

We don't have the money to be the nice guys anymore, if we are going to challenge and win more we have to see a bit more steel and a bit less velvet glove. If we have to play ugly to win a game I WANT our players to play ugly.

You don't even know Mourinho yet you hate him :laugh:

Sorry mate but I think you read too many comics.

I want the best manager and the best players at Liverpool, if thats Rafa......... great, if its not, we should be trying to sign whoever is!

by **Ciggy** » Tue May 27, 2008 1:00 am

Effes wrote:Well, each season I take a deep breath before paying for my season ticket.
Im not wealthy, by a long stretch.

This year I wont be renewing and the Yanks are a major factor in my decision making.

Good on yer mate I hope you told them the reason you wont be renewing your st let them stick the 80 thousand stadium up their holes.

by **Ciggy** » Tue May 27, 2008 1:11 am

s@int wrote:I want the best manager and the best players at Liverpool, if thats Rafa......... great, if its not, we should be trying to sign whoever is!

Saint you know I like you and its off season, but I think we have enough on our plate at the moment and we are lucky to have a manager.

We have no money, we have a pair of twatting owners, and lets face it things are looking grim, replacing Rafa would be suicidal at this moment in time.

I for one dont know how Rafa has not walked away yet, If I was him I would have.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue May 27, 2008 1:26 am

Ciggy wrote:
s@int wrote:I want the best manager and the best players at Liverpool, if thats Rafa......... great, if its not, we should be trying to sign whoever is!

Saint you know I like you and its off season, but I think we have enough on our plate at the moment and we are lucky to have a manager.

We have no money, we have a pair of twatting owners, and lets face it things are looking grim, replacing Rafa would be suicidal at this moment in time.

I for one dont know how Rafa has not walked away yet, If I was him I would have.

I agree Ciggy that first thing on our agenda should be getting those two out of our club (closely followed by Parry and probably Moores). I am still hoping that before the season starts we will have new owners. Owners who will give our team and manager the backing and stability we need, if not I really do worry about the future of our club.

If we don't however, I still expect a better season than this last one. We have enough surplus in the squad to obtain sufficient funds for the one or two top quality signings we really NEED.

One of my worries at the moment is that its gone very quiet.... Rafa is not ranting and raving about how much money he needs.......so maybe he sees it like I do, or more likely he has been told to keep quiet.

Maybe its the quiet before the storm, or maybe its just the grudging acceptance that Hicks is here for the forseeable future and Rafa has to go along to get along

by **account deleted by request** » Tue May 27, 2008 1:46 am

1) Mourinho persisted with the diving, cheating, couldn't score a goal Didier Drogba for two years. Only in 06/07 did he start scoring.

Drogba has scored 50 goals in 87 league games, that suggests to me that he didn't have to wait too long before Drogba started scoring?

2) It's not up to a manger to turn Alonso back into this playmaker, it's up to the man himself.

But a good manager can certainly help a player recover his form, while a bad manager can make even a great player look cr@p.

3) A winning machine? You mean the one he had at Chelsea that drew with Rosenbourg and cost him his job. Money to burn and he still couldn't match Benitez' exploits in europe.

A winning machine that won the title twice on the trot - when did we last win it twice on the trot?
Maybe while we were resting players in league games because we had NOTHING ELSE TO PLAY FOR - Chelsea was playing for and winning titles and cups?

We have won nothing for two seasons, Mourinho won something every year with Chelsea till he left.

4) Second may be better than fourth, but it's not first so it's not good enough.

Still better than 4th

and who's to say he wouldn't surprise you and win it?

As for the rest of your post, I think a title win and you would be shouting his name as loudly as everyone else.

by **maguskwt** » Tue May 27, 2008 2:08 am

s@int wrote:As for the rest of your post, I think a title win and you would be shouting his name as loudly as everyone else.

you don't know him...

by **maguskwt** » Tue May 27, 2008 2:28 am

s@int wrote:I have no doubt if Rafa had gone to Chelsea rather than us YOU WOULD BE SAYING THE SAME THINGS NOW ABOUT RAFA

Its time a few people started to grow up, I would rather have a winner in charge than a nice guy that wins nothing. (and before anyone starts I am not referring to Rafa)

I have no doubt that Rafa can be a c*nt when he needs to be, you don't achieve success by being a pussy. Don't forget good ol' uncle Bob used to be Shanks hit man before Moran took on the role.

We don't have the money to be the nice guys anymore, if we are going to challenge and win more we have to see a bit more steel and a bit less velvet glove. If we have to play ugly to win a game I WANT our players to play ugly.

You don't even know Mourinho yet you hate him

Sorry mate but I think you read too many comics.

I want the best manager and the best players at Liverpool, if thats Rafa......... great, if its not, we should be trying to sign whoever is!

It's not a matter of growing up. It's a matter of principle. Some people with principle will continue to dislike mourinho. The man does not have dignity... he is more of a sore loser than he is a winner... he has the courage to strike a man down when he's hurt... avram grant did better than he did last season in the league and avram grant did better than him than he ever did in europe with chelsea... that's considering grant took over after he messed up the start of the league for chelsea... so just because his ego was hurt by the sacking he has the courage to add insult to injury against grant. It's the same indignity that made him discredit LFC even after a fair and square beating we gave them. He is 10 times worse than Ferguson... it's amazing some people look up to those kind of qualities in a person and say that he is a winner but I guess it is their prerogative...

by **account deleted by request** » Tue May 27, 2008 2:49 am

So for a fella who cost twice as much as Kuyt he managed a mere 7 goals more. So I would say Mourinho persists with a non scoring forward.

But everyone said what a great first season Kuyt had, so if Drogba scored more, which he DID, he must have had an exceptional season - especially as they won the league, while we have yet to win a trophy with Kuyt.

Lets not forget Kezman.

So maybe we should also remember Morientes ?

He won the league twice, so did Kenny Dalglish shall we go back to the king

Not twice on the trot mate WHICH WAS WHAT I ASKED

AND thats twice more than Rafa is it not?

Four, well stickin me neck on the line lad, I don't think Mourinho will win us the league

I don't think Rafa will either but that doesn't mean he won't. I am pretty sure you never expected Torres to score so many goals this season - it didn't stop him doing it !

Finally I'd sing Mourinho's name as loud as anything if he was the manager of our club (title or no title) because I wish success on anybody connected with this club. I may not like the fella as a person (what I know of him) but if he became our manager (something i hope doesn't happen) i'd wish success on him.

You know it makes sense

by **account deleted by request** » Tue May 27, 2008 2:53 am

maguskwt wrote:
s@int wrote:As for the rest of your post, I think a title win and you would be shouting his name as loudly as everyone else.

you don't know him...

Finally I'd sing Mourinho's name as loud as anything if he was the manager of our club

I obviously know him better than you !

by **account deleted by request** » Tue May 27, 2008 3:25 am

Liverpool gaffer Rafael Benitez admits that failing to sign Gabriel Heinze, losing Daniel Agger through injury and the need to spent huge sums of money have all hampered the Reds this term...

Rafa Benitez has pointed to the loss of stopper Daniel Agger as an early blow to Liverpool's push for silverware this season.

The Dane provided both an aerial presence and a goal threat, with the Reds boss concerned about the amount of goals conceded from set-pieces in his absence,

Now, he admits that the defender comes back in good shape, but insists that only minor squad surgery is needed at Anfield this summer.

"The squad is better [than one year ago] and we have a better team," Benitez told LFC TV.

"Especially in the last three months, the understanding between the players was really good. We were winning games and scoring goals and we nearly got to the final of the Champions League.

"This year we have improved a lot. We signed two or three really good players, and also players who've been good for the squad.

"Every year you must improve a lot because the other teams are doing the same. I think Chelsea have just spent £16million on a right full back even though they got to the final."

Spine of the Team

In addition to the loss of Agger, Rafa admits that failing to sign Gabriel Heinze, who eventually signed for Madrid from Man Utd, was a blow. Asked if Heinze would have provided more defensive cover, the boss said: "Yes, I think so.

"We conceded goals at the end of games and drew. The centre backs - Carra [Jamie Carragher] and Sami [Hyypia] - were playing too many games.

"Sometimes Jack Hobbs or Alvaro Arbeloa played, but we clearly missed Agger. Agger is a centre back who can play the ball, he is a threat to the opposition.

"We have a lot of good players and we also have some really good young players; this is important. I think we have the spine of the team next season and now we need to add players in certain positions.

"We have analysed a lot of things this year. For example, we have conceded a lot of goals from set pieces. We need to understand why because last season we conceded six, now it's 16, yet we're doing more or less the same things.

"We can improve in this area. We also need to keep the team scoring in open play while at the same time improving a little bit in defence. We have been really good in defence for three of four years, but I think we need to improve a little bit if we want to be at the top of the table."

Benitez continued to say the money spent in the Premiership is daunting, particularly at the top end, before observing: "Clearly it's more difficult than in Spain because the top sides spend big, big money.

"We will try to do our best and the key for me is to not talk about the title. The key is to be near the top, to be contenders. If we stay close then I think we are capable of doing it."

by **LFC2007** » Tue May 27, 2008 3:39 am

Fairly random, but to think we could've signed Alves for £12m, he'd probably have sorted our right side out. Now his cost would probably be twice that figure.

Missing opportunities such as those, opportunities where we had the chance to nail a position in one go, have gradually led to this lack of balance in quality within the squad.

We had to sign a ST and a RW, and but for Cisse getting injured - thwarting an outright transfer to Marseille, we may have used the extra funds to get Alves instead of Pennant. Although if we'd had a degree of flexibility in our budget akin to the Manc's or Chelsea, it probably wouldn't have been an issue anyway.

by **ruskiy playmaker** » Tue May 27, 2008 3:59 am

LFC2007 wrote:Fairly random, but to think we could've signed Alves for £12m, he'd probably have sorted our right side out. Now his cost would probably be twice that figure.

Missing opportunities such as those, opportunities where we had the chance to nail a position in one go, have gradually led to this lack of balance in quality within the squad.

We had to sign a ST and a RW, and but for Cisse getting injured - thwarting an outright transfer to Marseille, we may have used the extra funds to get Alves instead of Pennant. Although if we'd had a degree of flexibility in our budget akin to the Manc's or Chelsea, it probably wouldn't have been an issue anyway.

We should have gone for Maicon when he was at Monaco, he's a much better FB than Alves.

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