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Ace Ventura wrote:

GYBS wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:

GYBS wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:Who are the wide players that you feel would of been affordable, that would come to Liverpool and that are better players than Keane ?

Not saying there arent any like, just wanting your opinion.

well imo you can look to players like Silva,Podolski(who covers both areas),Arshavin (initally but now prob way too expensive)- even cough up an extra 10 mil for benzema who can play both areas. even downing would add that extra width.

Silva reportedly turned down united cos he wants to stay in Spain, Podolski i like but dont think he is better than Keane and they do play similar positions.
Arshavin looks top class but the money they wanted would of been a gamble with his wages in there as well.

Downing we could still get if rumours are to be believed.

apparenlt another person we could be looking at is Drenthe is has no chance of breaking into the madrid team- could be another cheaper option.

my first choice would be silva and think he will be perfect for us plus he has plenty of time to develop

Drenthe from what i have seen looks a decent player, decent pace can play left back or left midfield and is a very strong robust player. Would deffo be worth a look.

GYBS wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:I agree with some of what you are saying, it is clear that we need better quality wide attacking players. But maybe there arent any that were available or affordable.


What i disagree on is whether we needed Keane, i think we definately did. Not only is he a great player to bring in if Torres is not fit or (cough) rotated 
But he is also a clever enough player to play alongside Torres or just behind. We were very short in that department despite all the names you listed.
Only Torres out of all of them is proven.
What we have now is another top player who once he has settled in will score and create goals, cant see how Rafa can be criticised for that one mate.

i just think with our budget spending 20 mil on a striker was a luxury we really couldnt afford mate - yeah we did need someone else up front but not at that price and at the expense of bigger priority . like i say i like keane a lot and hope he does work out but i can see him being played and shoe horned into the team to the detrement of the team - seen it in the last couple of games . hopefully he can adapt to a different role within a 4-2-3-1 (which is think is our best formation) maybe on the left or right or in gerrrard role but then why is rafa after barry ?

Toffeehater wrote:

GYBS wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:I agree with some of what you are saying, it is clear that we need better quality wide attacking players. But maybe there arent any that were available or affordable.


What i disagree on is whether we needed Keane, i think we definately did. Not only is he a great player to bring in if Torres is not fit or (cough) rotated 
But he is also a clever enough player to play alongside Torres or just behind. We were very short in that department despite all the names you listed.
Only Torres out of all of them is proven.
What we have now is another top player who once he has settled in will score and create goals, cant see how Rafa can be criticised for that one mate.

i just think with our budget spending 20 mil on a striker was a luxury we really couldnt afford mate - yeah we did need someone else up front but not at that price and at the expense of bigger priority . like i say i like keane a lot and hope he does work out but i can see him being played and shoe horned into the team to the detrement of the team - seen it in the last couple of games . hopefully he can adapt to a different role within a 4-2-3-1 (which is think is our best formation) maybe on the left or right or in gerrrard role but then why is rafa after barry ?

Last season we were complaining about torres and gerrard were the only 2 goal scorers who could win matches for us and what happens when they got marked out of the game or were having a bad game? We needed a second striker to ease the load of either of them and we got keane , so i think we should give keane a chance to prove himself instead of just jumping on his back after 2 competitive games. You want quality , you pay for quality if not you may get another voronin

GYBS wrote:

Toffeehater wrote:

GYBS wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:I agree with some of what you are saying, it is clear that we need better quality wide attacking players. But maybe there arent any that were available or affordable.


What i disagree on is whether we needed Keane, i think we definately did. Not only is he a great player to bring in if Torres is not fit or (cough) rotated 
But he is also a clever enough player to play alongside Torres or just behind. We were very short in that department despite all the names you listed.
Only Torres out of all of them is proven.
What we have now is another top player who once he has settled in will score and create goals, cant see how Rafa can be criticised for that one mate.

i just think with our budget spending 20 mil on a striker was a luxury we really couldnt afford mate - yeah we did need someone else up front but not at that price and at the expense of bigger priority . like i say i like keane a lot and hope he does work out but i can see him being played and shoe horned into the team to the detrement of the team - seen it in the last couple of games . hopefully he can adapt to a different role within a 4-2-3-1 (which is think is our best formation) maybe on the left or right or in gerrrard role but then why is rafa after barry ?

Last season we were complaining about torres and gerrard were the only 2 goal scorers who could win matches for us and what happens when they got marked out of the game or were having a bad game? We needed a second striker to ease the load of either of them and we got keane , so i think we should give keane a chance to prove himself instead of just jumping on his back after 2 competitive games. You want quality , you pay for quality if not you may get another voronin

not jumping on his back personally mate - just think for us to play with a second striker we go 442 and we dont have the personell to play 442 - no width either side and gerrard sits deeper- in a 4-2-3-1 we do with babel and kuyt but would prefer a more creative player .

last season i wasnt complaining about goals from up front it was goals from other areas - ie the midfield esp in the wide areas.

if gerrard is marked out of the game who supplies the two strikers we have got ? with a more creative left sided player that gives us much more options and flexability . while we play 442 all our play will be narrow and easy to defend against so wont matter playing two up front as they wont get the ball .

GYBS wrote:

Toffeehater wrote:

GYBS wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:I agree with some of what you are saying, it is clear that we need better quality wide attacking players. But maybe there arent any that were available or affordable.


What i disagree on is whether we needed Keane, i think we definately did. Not only is he a great player to bring in if Torres is not fit or (cough) rotated 
But he is also a clever enough player to play alongside Torres or just behind. We were very short in that department despite all the names you listed.
Only Torres out of all of them is proven.
What we have now is another top player who once he has settled in will score and create goals, cant see how Rafa can be criticised for that one mate.

i just think with our budget spending 20 mil on a striker was a luxury we really couldnt afford mate - yeah we did need someone else up front but not at that price and at the expense of bigger priority . like i say i like keane a lot and hope he does work out but i can see him being played and shoe horned into the team to the detrement of the team - seen it in the last couple of games . hopefully he can adapt to a different role within a 4-2-3-1 (which is think is our best formation) maybe on the left or right or in gerrrard role but then why is rafa after barry ?

Last season we were complaining about torres and gerrard were the only 2 goal scorers who could win matches for us and what happens when they got marked out of the game or were having a bad game? We needed a second striker to ease the load of either of them and we got keane , so i think we should give keane a chance to prove himself instead of just jumping on his back after 2 competitive games. You want quality , you pay for quality if not you may get another voronin

not jumping on his back personally mate - just think for us to play with a second striker we go 442 and we dont have the personell to play 442 - no width either side and gerrard sits deeper- in a 4-2-3-1 we do with babel and kuyt but would prefer a more creative player .

last season i wasnt complaining about goals from up front it was goals from other areas - ie the midfield esp in the wide areas.

if gerrard is marked out of the game who supplies the two strikers we have got ? with a more creative left sided player that gives us much more options and flexability . while we play 442 all our play will be narrow and easy to defend against so wont matter playing two up front as they wont get the ball .

Toffeehater wrote:

GYBS wrote:

Toffeehater wrote:

GYBS wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:I agree with some of what you are saying, it is clear that we need better quality wide attacking players. But maybe there arent any that were available or affordable.


What i disagree on is whether we needed Keane, i think we definately did. Not only is he a great player to bring in if Torres is not fit or (cough) rotated 
But he is also a clever enough player to play alongside Torres or just behind. We were very short in that department despite all the names you listed.
Only Torres out of all of them is proven.
What we have now is another top player who once he has settled in will score and create goals, cant see how Rafa can be criticised for that one mate.

i just think with our budget spending 20 mil on a striker was a luxury we really couldnt afford mate - yeah we did need someone else up front but not at that price and at the expense of bigger priority . like i say i like keane a lot and hope he does work out but i can see him being played and shoe horned into the team to the detrement of the team - seen it in the last couple of games . hopefully he can adapt to a different role within a 4-2-3-1 (which is think is our best formation) maybe on the left or right or in gerrrard role but then why is rafa after barry ?

Last season we were complaining about torres and gerrard were the only 2 goal scorers who could win matches for us and what happens when they got marked out of the game or were having a bad game? We needed a second striker to ease the load of either of them and we got keane , so i think we should give keane a chance to prove himself instead of just jumping on his back after 2 competitive games. You want quality , you pay for quality if not you may get another voronin

not jumping on his back personally mate - just think for us to play with a second striker we go 442 and we dont have the personell to play 442 - no width either side and gerrard sits deeper- in a 4-2-3-1 we do with babel and kuyt but would prefer a more creative player .

last season i wasnt complaining about goals from up front it was goals from other areas - ie the midfield esp in the wide areas.

if gerrard is marked out of the game who supplies the two strikers we have got ? with a more creative left sided player that gives us much more options and flexability . while we play 442 all our play will be narrow and easy to defend against so wont matter playing two up front as they wont get the ball .

I would like the 4-2-3-1 with keane playing as a 2nd striker in the hole as gerrad was . Its clear that torres plays better upfront when he does not haev to worry about his other strike partner or where to pass . SO maybe rafa should play keane a little deeper and i suspect he will revert to that formation when the monster returns .

GYBS wrote:It might take the manager a bit of time to get to it but a 4-2-3-1 with Gerrard and Babel running rampant on the outside and Keane playing in the hole is the way forward.

Ace Ventura wrote:I agree with some of what you are saying, it is clear that we need better quality wide attacking players. But maybe there arent any that were available or affordable.


What i disagree on is whether we needed Keane, i think we definately did. Not only is he a great player to bring in if Torres is not fit or (cough) rotated 
But he is also a clever enough player to play alongside Torres or just behind. We were very short in that department despite all the names you listed.
Only Torres out of all of them is proven.
What we have now is another top player who once he has settled in will score and create goals, cant see how Rafa can be criticised for that one mate.

LegBarnes wrote:

Ace Ventura wrote:I agree with some of what you are saying, it is clear that we need better quality wide attacking players. But maybe there arent any that were available or affordable.


What i disagree on is whether we needed Keane, i think we definately did. Not only is he a great player to bring in if Torres is not fit or (cough) rotated 
But he is also a clever enough player to play alongside Torres or just behind. We were very short in that department despite all the names you listed.
Only Torres out of all of them is proven.
What we have now is another top player who once he has settled in will score and create goals, cant see how Rafa can be criticised for that one mate.

downing or Bently we missed a trick with those could have got them both for 30 mil instead of buying keane and barry.

With those 2 we would have had a great team.

This is what gets me mad with liverpool atm there are players out there but don't seem we want them.

RedBlood wrote:Puff?....................i guess you would know stu

hes also THE best left footed crosser of a ball in the prem, we wouldnt need 2 break the bank 4 him & he would get better with better player around him

and yes as a right-sided winger Bentley is better then gerrard becoz unlike gerrard he actually stays on the right wing

RedBlood wrote:Puff?....................i guess you would know stu

hes also THE best left footed crosser of a ball in the prem, we wouldnt need 2 break the bank 4 him & he would get better with better player around him

and yes as a right-sided winger Bentley is better then gerrard becoz unlike gerrard he actually stays on the right wing

Yeah totally, because we've got loads of players that are brilliant at attacking crosses. I can totally see the logic in signing two, at best, good wingers.

Downing is a bag who pulls out of every tackle.

As for saying Bentley's better than Gerrard... pffffttt