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by **stmichael** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:00 pm

Fernando Torres and Steven Gerrard have been nominated for PFA Players' Player of the Year.

The Reds duo make up the six-man shortlist alongside Cristiano Ronaldo, Cesc Fabregas, Emmanuel Adebayor and former Liverpool stopper David James.

El Nino has taken English football by storm in a way no other foreign player has done in a debut season.

His tally of 29 goals in 41 games has made him the most prolific Reds striker since Robbie Fowler, while successive home hat-tricks against Middlesbrough and West Ham had statisticians scouring the history books.

Gerrard, meanwhile, has already notched up 20 goals this season, including crucial strikes against Inter Milan and Arsenal to help Liverpool reach the Champions League semi-finals.

Ronaldo has been installed as the firm bookies' favourite.

PFA Player's Player of the Year:

Cristiano Ronaldo
Cesc Fabregas
Emmanuel Adebayor
David James
Steven Gerrard
Fernando Torres

PFA Young Player of the Year:

Cristiano Ronaldo
Cesc Fabregas
Fernando Torres
Micah Richards
Ashley Young
Gabriel Agbonlahor

Unfortunately, Ronaldo must be nailed on to win both awards, even though Torres has been sensational in his own right. Also, the fact that David Bentley and Javier Mascherano haven't got a nomination between them is an absolute disgrace imo.

by **JC_81** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:06 pm

stmichael wrote:Unfortunately, Ronaldo must be nailed on to win both awards, even though Torres has been sensational in his own right. Also, the fact that David Bentley and Javier Mascherano haven't got a nomination between them is an absolute disgrace imo.

Spot on St Mike.

Any other season Torres would have walked the award, he's just unfortunate that Ronaldo has been a machine this season.

Personally I think Torres' achievement is better this season considering it's his first season in the premiership. But Ronaldo is flavour of the month with the media and to be fair scoring 30 goals as a winger is pretty phenomenal too.

by **stmichael** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:08 pm

john craig wrote:Ronaldo is flavour of the month with the media and to be fair scoring 30 goals as a winger is pretty phenomenal too.

the notion that ronaldo is a winger is one of the biggest myths in world football.

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:14 pm

stmichael wrote:
john craig wrote:Ronaldo is flavour of the month with the media and to be fair scoring 30 goals as a winger is pretty phenomenal too.

the notion that ronaldo is a winger is one of the biggest myths in world football.

Agreed. Saw a piece the other week about how we'll all look back in a couple of years and laugh at the notion that Ronaldo ever played out wide. He's becoming more and more of a striker everyday--to the point where Ferguson pushed Rooney out wide and played Ronaldo up top away to Roma.

by **JC_81** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:23 pm

Bad Bob wrote:
stmichael wrote:
john craig wrote:Ronaldo is flavour of the month with the media and to be fair scoring 30 goals as a winger is pretty phenomenal too.

the notion that ronaldo is a winger is one of the biggest myths in world football.

Agreed. Saw a piece the other week about how we'll all look back in a couple of years and laugh at the notion that Ronaldo ever played out wide. He's becoming more and more of a striker everyday--to the point where Ferguson pushed Rooney out wide and played Ronaldo up top away to Roma.

If he's not a winger then what is he?

He certainly doesn't lead the line up front, because receiving the ball with his back to goal is certainly not his game.

Granted he is not a wide midfielder because in United's formation he has next to no defensive responsibilities, but his starting position is definitely wide.

He is a winger, but he has licence to roam in what is a very flexible United front line.

by **metalhead** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:33 pm

I have a feeling that Torres may get the young player of the year award with C.Ronaldo getting the PFA player award.

by **stmichael** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:34 pm

vote here:

http://www.givemefootball.com/

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:45 pm

john craig wrote:
Bad Bob wrote:
stmichael wrote:
john craig wrote:Ronaldo is flavour of the month with the media and to be fair scoring 30 goals as a winger is pretty phenomenal too.

the notion that ronaldo is a winger is one of the biggest myths in world football.

Agreed. Saw a piece the other week about how we'll all look back in a couple of years and laugh at the notion that Ronaldo ever played out wide. He's becoming more and more of a striker everyday--to the point where Ferguson pushed Rooney out wide and played Ronaldo up top away to Roma.

If he's not a winger then what is he?

He certainly doesn't lead the line up front, because receiving the ball with his back to goal is certainly not his game.

Granted he is not a wide midfielder because in United's formation he has next to no defensive responsibilities, but his starting position is definitely wide.

He is a winger, but he has licence to roam in what is a very flexible United front line.

If anything, I'd call him a second striker now. You're right, he doesn't lead the line and play back to goal but he rarely spends any time out on the flanks now, so he's no longer a proper winger, IMO. Perhaps, it could be argued that he's filling the Scholes role of CAM but I don't see him as a winger any longer.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:18 pm

I think Torres and Mascherano have been our 2 outstanding players this season. For me Gerrard has played well but probably not at his very best for most of the season.

I would give player of the year (lfc) to Torres , player of the year (prem) to the greasy tw@t down the East Lancs road.

by **redhayesy** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:39 pm

stmichael wrote:vote here:

http://www.givemefootball.com/

thanks for link mate just voted, no brainer torres for both! :buttrock

by **andy_g** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:57 pm

the fact that this is torres' debut season has to be a factor in this. fair enough, ronaldo is playing out of his (greasy) skin and will pass 40 goals which is an unbelievable achievement. but trying as hard as i can to be objective i still think that torres has to be recognised - i'll be sorely disappointed if he isn't.

i'm voting voronin anyway.

by **Bad Bob** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:15 pm

Yes, Torres has had a monster of a first season in England. He's very close to Van Nistelroy's debut goal-scoring record isn't he? And, he does manage to score against the top teams too (as he'll reinforce against Chelsea soon)> :;):

by **Fo Dne** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:19 pm

Mascherano's not done nearly enough to suggest he should be in the running for the award.

The rose tinted specs on here is at times shocking. I personally don't see this love affair with him, people are making him out to be something he's not, a good player yes, but he's not undroppable. I wouldn't say he's any better than Xabi for a start.

by **account deleted by request** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:37 pm

Fo Dne wrote:Mascherano's not done nearly enough to suggest he should be in the running for the award.

The rose tinted specs on here is at times shocking. I personally don't see this love affair with him, people are making him out to be something he's not, a good player yes, but he's not undroppable. I wouldn't say he's any better than Xabi for a start.

Can't agree with you there mate. He may not have some of the tools that Xabi has in his locker and certainly has limitations in his use of the ball, but he is much better than Xabi (imo). He is more mobile, alert, better tackler, and arguably better positionally than Xabi and Plus the fact that half of Xabi's game seems to have been lost now that the opposition know that if you pressurise him he has neither the pace or ability to cope. I know you don't think pace is the be all and end all of football, but Masch has it and Xabi hasn't, and this does make Xabi easy to restrict.

If you noticed against Arsenal, as soon as Flamini went off, Hleb dropped back into midfield and Xabi had time and space to pick his passes, and had a great 5mins. As soon as Gilberto came on Hleb went back to closing Xabi down when we had the ball, and Xabi's passing game disappeared.

Mascher has probably been M.O.M more than any player this season, which is were I came in nominating him as runner up to Torres.

by **Thingy** » Fri Apr 11, 2008 4:43 pm

Fo Dne, Masch has been our second best player this year. Cant think of a game where Xabi outplayed him, where I thought Xabi should play and not Masch. I dont agree with yer mate. All the hype Uniteds midfielders get, Masch deserves it. Hes world class.

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