s@int wrote:Gillett and Hicks now have the backing of just over one per cent of the fans
Fkn Heimdall
Hicks we had klinnsmann lined up for the job
by Ciggy » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:27 am
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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by Ciggy » Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:30 am
bigmick wrote:I said so in the Capello thread. I said at the time that when he indicated that the owners had approached him I was fairly sure that they probably had.
Step one should be for the team to run up a cricket score against Luton tonight, and after each goal ALL THE PLAYERS SHOULD CONVERGE ON THE BENCH TO EMBRACE THE MANAGER.
They also had a meal in Marseille with Lippi after our CL game probably asked him about the job aswell.
I would love the players to do that mick, the last time one of our players done that it was Gerrard to Houllier when he was under pressure, I dont think any of them will but I hope they do.
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.
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REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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James Lawton: Benitez given a raw deal by owners who fail to understand Liverpool's rich heritage
The overture to Klinsmann puts Liverpool in Newcastle territory
Published: 15 January 2008 Indy
There was a time when you didn't audition or even interview for the job of managing Liverpool. It came to you because you knew how the place worked and you had proved that you had absorbed all of its lessons. You knew about loyalty and the difference between building a team and chance and speculation. Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish weren't just a series of managers. They were an apostolic succession.
More than a decade of change separated Rafa Benitez from those days when he arrived at Anfield as a man of high achievement and passionate nature, but he seemed to understand what he was inheriting, give or take a few lost years.
He had some big lessons to learn about English football and even his warmest admirers would concede that he has still to master some of them, but a Champions League win, another appearance in the final, and the FA Cup won him entitlement to more than a little patience and respect.
At least that was until yesterday when the apostolic succession might have been a wet leaf trampled into some obscure pathway in Stanley Park.
Now it seems that in the eyes of Liverpool's owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, the manager of Liverpool Football Club has one overriding purpose. It is to say yes to the owners. Of course they don't put it so bluntly. They talk about the need for communication – and what happens when it breaks down. Hicks spelt out the effects of such a denouement yesterday. He even had it on the Liverpool website.
What happens is that you line up an alternative manager – in this case Jürgen Klinsmann. Perhaps this was the most astonishing aspect of yesterday's development – not the confirmation of the approach to the former coach of Germany, who is now taking up his first post in club football with Bayern Munich, but the pious, self-congratulatory public revelation of it.
This wasn't a news item. This was a threat to the independence of a football man who, before winning the Champions League and the FA Cup for Liverpool, won two Spanish titles, under the shadows of the hugely financed Real Madrid and Barcelona, and the Uefa Cup for Valencia. "Klinsmann," said Hicks, "was an impressive man."
He is also a stick with which to beat Benitez if he gets up the nerve again to tell the owners who he believes should be signed if Liverpool are to move on to be legitimate challengers to Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal. It was Klinsmann when relations between the manager and the owners cooled last November. Who will it be next time? Perhaps Jose Mourinho if he is still in the market or, given the apparent lack of feel for the traditions of Anfield, perhaps even Big Sam giving the long ball another airing in another new and unreceptive pasture.
Reading the statement of Hicks yesterday, you couldn't but go back to his joint outpouring with Gillett when the takeover deal was made less than a year ago. It was a mellifluous little entreaty, almost a love song to the Kop. Here is the key passage: "Liverpool is a fantastic club with a remarkable history and a passionate fan base. We fully acknowledge and appreciate the unique heritage and rich history of Liverpool and intend to respect this heritage in the future."
But how do you respect something properly if you don't really understand it? How do you "acknowledge and respect" a heritage if you don't know how it happened? Liverpool have won the English title 14 times in the 80 years since Newcastle, who are supposed to be the joke entry in the senior list of contenders, last got their hands on it. That's a title arriving at an average of every fifth or sixth year. In Europe Liverpool's five titles leave them in third place, behind Real Madrid (nine) and Milan (seven), and this, no more than the accumulation of domestic glory, has nothing to do with managers willing to doff their caps whenever they meet a director.
The brutal fact is that the confirmation of the already poorly kept secret about the overture to Klinsmann put Liverpool nowhere more firmly than in Newcastle territory.
Newcastle have an owner who gets his inspiration from the banter that accompanies the drinking of Newcastle Brown and the wearing of souvenir shirts. Liverpool have a joint command who presumably believe that their candour over the Klinsmann move is going to enhance their reputation for strong, wise leadership. It is quite hard to know who is further away from the realities of making a successful football club.
Certainly, those who have fretted over Benitez's recent erratic behaviour – and will never endorse what sometimes seems an egocentric preoccupation with rotation for its own sake – are now much more inclined to rally to his somewhat tattered banner. He left Valencia with tears in his eyes, which is not always the most convincing sign of a man in charge of his ambitions, but his intensity now adds to the belief that he is suffering in a way that he does not deserve.
It was also instructive to go back to the seeds of the crisis which emerged last November. Then, Benitez explained quite chillingly, saw the change of climate. He said: "We had a meeting on the day of the Arsenal game [when Liverpool were denied what would have been a huge victory by some late brilliance from Alexander Hleb and Cesc Fabregas] which was really positive. After this something changed. They told me to focus on coaching and training because Rick Parry will be looking after the signing of players."
This wasn't a shift of policy. This was a death sentence for a manager's belief that he controlled, in the way of a Ferguson or a Wenger, the destiny of his team.
Here is the Hicks' website version of the fissures which developed when the financing of the new stadium in Stanley Park came into conflict with Benitez's anxiety to seal up the back of his midfield with the £17m permanent signing of Javier Mascherano: "In November, when it appeared we were in danger of not advancing in the Champions League, and were not playing well in our Premier League matches, and Rafa and we [Hicks and Gillett] were having communication issues over the January transfer window, George and I met with Jürgen Klinsmann.
"We wanted to learn as much as we could about English and European football. We attempted to negotiate an option, as an insurance policy, to have him become manager if Rafa left for Real Madrid or other clubs that were rumoured in the UK press, or in case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason. After George and I had our meeting with Rafa following the United game [lost 1-0 at Anfield] we put all our issues behind us and received Rafa's commitment that he wanted to stay with Liverpool. We had not reached agreement on an option with Jürgen and we are both pleased for him that he has a great opportunity to return to Germany as coach of a great club. Rafa has the support of both of us and our communication has greatly improved."
There is nothing like an ultimatum as an aid to communication. The one made public by the ownership of Liverpool is not quite spelt out in black and white but Rafa is surely not in desperate need of any help from the decoding department of the secret service. In the unlikely event that he is, an amateur offering might well be sufficient. It would say: "Forget about winning the Champions League and the FA Cup and that loyal fan base that we were extolling on the day we took over, there are plenty more hands to hire out there."
Another reality is that in those days of glory, when Liverpool ticked along as if by remote control, the club had, as Hicks and Gillett so recently said, its own unique place in the football world. It wasn't a cash cow. It was an expression of belief in a passionate commitment to doing all those things that had guaranteed such brilliant success for so long. Chief among them was a belief in the judgement and the integrity of the man in charge. You gave him respect. You certainly didn't tell the world you had been hawking his job behind his back.
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The overture to Klinsmann puts Liverpool in Newcastle territory
Published: 15 January 2008 Indy
There was a time when you didn't audition or even interview for the job of managing Liverpool. It came to you because you knew how the place worked and you had proved that you had absorbed all of its lessons. You knew about loyalty and the difference between building a team and chance and speculation. Shankly, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish weren't just a series of managers. They were an apostolic succession.
More than a decade of change separated Rafa Benitez from those days when he arrived at Anfield as a man of high achievement and passionate nature, but he seemed to understand what he was inheriting, give or take a few lost years.
He had some big lessons to learn about English football and even his warmest admirers would concede that he has still to master some of them, but a Champions League win, another appearance in the final, and the FA Cup won him entitlement to more than a little patience and respect.
At least that was until yesterday when the apostolic succession might have been a wet leaf trampled into some obscure pathway in Stanley Park.
Now it seems that in the eyes of Liverpool's owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett, the manager of Liverpool Football Club has one overriding purpose. It is to say yes to the owners. Of course they don't put it so bluntly. They talk about the need for communication – and what happens when it breaks down. Hicks spelt out the effects of such a denouement yesterday. He even had it on the Liverpool website.
What happens is that you line up an alternative manager – in this case Jürgen Klinsmann. Perhaps this was the most astonishing aspect of yesterday's development – not the confirmation of the approach to the former coach of Germany, who is now taking up his first post in club football with Bayern Munich, but the pious, self-congratulatory public revelation of it.
This wasn't a news item. This was a threat to the independence of a football man who, before winning the Champions League and the FA Cup for Liverpool, won two Spanish titles, under the shadows of the hugely financed Real Madrid and Barcelona, and the Uefa Cup for Valencia. "Klinsmann," said Hicks, "was an impressive man."
He is also a stick with which to beat Benitez if he gets up the nerve again to tell the owners who he believes should be signed if Liverpool are to move on to be legitimate challengers to Manchester United, Chelsea and Arsenal. It was Klinsmann when relations between the manager and the owners cooled last November. Who will it be next time? Perhaps Jose Mourinho if he is still in the market or, given the apparent lack of feel for the traditions of Anfield, perhaps even Big Sam giving the long ball another airing in another new and unreceptive pasture.
Reading the statement of Hicks yesterday, you couldn't but go back to his joint outpouring with Gillett when the takeover deal was made less than a year ago. It was a mellifluous little entreaty, almost a love song to the Kop. Here is the key passage: "Liverpool is a fantastic club with a remarkable history and a passionate fan base. We fully acknowledge and appreciate the unique heritage and rich history of Liverpool and intend to respect this heritage in the future."
But how do you respect something properly if you don't really understand it? How do you "acknowledge and respect" a heritage if you don't know how it happened? Liverpool have won the English title 14 times in the 80 years since Newcastle, who are supposed to be the joke entry in the senior list of contenders, last got their hands on it. That's a title arriving at an average of every fifth or sixth year. In Europe Liverpool's five titles leave them in third place, behind Real Madrid (nine) and Milan (seven), and this, no more than the accumulation of domestic glory, has nothing to do with managers willing to doff their caps whenever they meet a director.
The brutal fact is that the confirmation of the already poorly kept secret about the overture to Klinsmann put Liverpool nowhere more firmly than in Newcastle territory.
Newcastle have an owner who gets his inspiration from the banter that accompanies the drinking of Newcastle Brown and the wearing of souvenir shirts. Liverpool have a joint command who presumably believe that their candour over the Klinsmann move is going to enhance their reputation for strong, wise leadership. It is quite hard to know who is further away from the realities of making a successful football club.
Certainly, those who have fretted over Benitez's recent erratic behaviour – and will never endorse what sometimes seems an egocentric preoccupation with rotation for its own sake – are now much more inclined to rally to his somewhat tattered banner. He left Valencia with tears in his eyes, which is not always the most convincing sign of a man in charge of his ambitions, but his intensity now adds to the belief that he is suffering in a way that he does not deserve.
It was also instructive to go back to the seeds of the crisis which emerged last November. Then, Benitez explained quite chillingly, saw the change of climate. He said: "We had a meeting on the day of the Arsenal game [when Liverpool were denied what would have been a huge victory by some late brilliance from Alexander Hleb and Cesc Fabregas] which was really positive. After this something changed. They told me to focus on coaching and training because Rick Parry will be looking after the signing of players."
This wasn't a shift of policy. This was a death sentence for a manager's belief that he controlled, in the way of a Ferguson or a Wenger, the destiny of his team.
Here is the Hicks' website version of the fissures which developed when the financing of the new stadium in Stanley Park came into conflict with Benitez's anxiety to seal up the back of his midfield with the £17m permanent signing of Javier Mascherano: "In November, when it appeared we were in danger of not advancing in the Champions League, and were not playing well in our Premier League matches, and Rafa and we [Hicks and Gillett] were having communication issues over the January transfer window, George and I met with Jürgen Klinsmann.
"We wanted to learn as much as we could about English and European football. We attempted to negotiate an option, as an insurance policy, to have him become manager if Rafa left for Real Madrid or other clubs that were rumoured in the UK press, or in case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason. After George and I had our meeting with Rafa following the United game [lost 1-0 at Anfield] we put all our issues behind us and received Rafa's commitment that he wanted to stay with Liverpool. We had not reached agreement on an option with Jürgen and we are both pleased for him that he has a great opportunity to return to Germany as coach of a great club. Rafa has the support of both of us and our communication has greatly improved."
There is nothing like an ultimatum as an aid to communication. The one made public by the ownership of Liverpool is not quite spelt out in black and white but Rafa is surely not in desperate need of any help from the decoding department of the secret service. In the unlikely event that he is, an amateur offering might well be sufficient. It would say: "Forget about winning the Champions League and the FA Cup and that loyal fan base that we were extolling on the day we took over, there are plenty more hands to hire out there."
Another reality is that in those days of glory, when Liverpool ticked along as if by remote control, the club had, as Hicks and Gillett so recently said, its own unique place in the football world. It wasn't a cash cow. It was an expression of belief in a passionate commitment to doing all those things that had guaranteed such brilliant success for so long. Chief among them was a belief in the judgement and the integrity of the man in charge. You gave him respect. You certainly didn't tell the world you had been hawking his job behind his back.
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by bunglemark2 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:45 am
Heard on the radio this a.m. that Rafa is considering legal routes, now that it's apparent G&H talked to Klinsmann...
Methinks "shooting yourself" and "foot" are apt phrases....
If he thinks he has the financial clout to go up against G&H on this, he's barking up the wrong tree. These guys will wipe the floor with him. I'm no G&H fan - truth be told I was wary of a pair like them on the other side of the world, where 'soccer' is way behind in the pecking order on prime time TV, where there's no 'culture' (full stop
) in terms of football history etc.... (Actually the same is true for DIC !), taking over the club....
But...Rafa is wrong to go down that road. Future employers will look upon him as a problem child and he's not doing himself any favours....
Methinks "shooting yourself" and "foot" are apt phrases....
If he thinks he has the financial clout to go up against G&H on this, he's barking up the wrong tree. These guys will wipe the floor with him. I'm no G&H fan - truth be told I was wary of a pair like them on the other side of the world, where 'soccer' is way behind in the pecking order on prime time TV, where there's no 'culture' (full stop
) in terms of football history etc.... (Actually the same is true for DIC !), taking over the club....But...Rafa is wrong to go down that road. Future employers will look upon him as a problem child and he's not doing himself any favours....
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See yooo, Judas. Yoo're gettin' on mah titz !
See yooo, Judas. Yoo're gettin' on mah titz !
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by 66-1112520797 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:24 am
bunglemark2 wrote:Heard on the radio this a.m. that Rafa is considering legal routes, now that it's apparent G&H talked to Klinsmann...
Methinks "shooting yourself" and "foot" are apt phrases....
If he thinks he has the financial clout to go up against G&H on this, he's barking up the wrong tree. These guys will wipe the floor with him. I'm no G&H fan - truth be told I was wary of a pair like them on the other side of the world, where 'soccer' is way behind in the pecking order on prime time TV, where there's no 'culture' (full stop
But...Rafa is wrong to go down that road. Future employers will look upon him as a problem child and he's not doing himself any favours....
What so he shouldnt stand up for his rights?
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by Ciggy » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:38 am
Good piece by Lawro.
Owners’ doubts on Benitez could unsettle star players
Jan 15 2008 By Mark Lawrenson - Liverpool Daily Post
SO managers aren’t managers any more – they’re ‘insurance policies’.What rubbish. Or garbage, as Tom Hicks and George Gillett would say.
Yesterday’s admission that they met Jurgen Klinsmann just gives further credence to the theory that the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing.
But what both hands appear to be doing is nothing but push Rafa away – and that’s barmy.
For a start, the crowd will go bananas about that, as they should already know if they paid any attention to what happened before the Porto game a few weeks back.
Then there’s the issue of having to pay him off, which is a bit of a problem what with money being so apparently tight at the moment.
And who do they reckon will take the job now anyway? Getting good managers is so difficult.
They certainly can’t have Klinsmann now he’s landed Bayern Munich (lucky escape for him, or what?) and even if Jose Mourinho did want it, he can’t manage a club in England until the summer anyway.
And you can probably forget Javier Mascherano signing as well as waving goodbye to Fernando Torres.
Benitez played a big part in luring him to Liverpool and has helped him settle but if he goes and then gets homesick, that’s it, he’ll be off.
And the way he’s playing you can’t really see there being much tumbleweed around the market when he’s on it.
So it’s complete madness if they think they need a change of manager at this stage of the season and – even though they now predictably insist Rafa has their backing – Hicks and Gillett are certainly going the right way about it.
But for all this public undermining I don’t think Benitez should go.
He needs to hang on, pick his strongest teams, win a trophy and make it 15-15. Stick the ball back in their court.
There’s no reason why he can’t carry on with the football side effectively. It’s not as if he’s ever had a great relationship with the owners anyway and they’re so distant from the whole operation that it shouldn’t affect his day-to-day working anyway.
If they wanted to interfere they’d have to come over a lot more often than when there’s a big name in town.
So Rafa needs to say: “Stuff you lot – I’m going to make sure we have a good second half of the season.”
I would love to see him do that because I’ve actually come down firmly on his side over the whole issue of their spat back in November.
Okay, he was wrong to go on a bit of a sulk – but he was dead right in the overall point.
That Hicks and Gillett didn’t understand the way transfers worked in Europe and that they needed to sit down to sort out how they were going to land their targets in the next window.
I don’t think that was out of order – in fact, I don’t think it would have been out of order if he’d said they don’t understand anything about football at all.
They certainly don’t seem to understand the history of Liverpool, no matter how much they insisted they did when they first took over.
However, it’s the future of it I’m worried about, because at the moment Liverpool just isn’t Liverpool.
Never mind all the stuff about revising stadium plans, selling on shares to DIC – even if they walk away with a profit and pass it all on to someone else, good luck to them I say.
But that wasn’t what they told everybody when they were in for the club this time last year.
And the trust between them and the supporters just diminishes even further when they come out and admit secret meetings with the likes of Klinsmann and they don’t seem to think that’s a problem.
Come on! How naive can you be?
If you really want to sound out another manager, just employ someone to make discreet enquiries.
You don’t even have to say which club you’re doing it on behalf of, just test the water to see what the potential candidates are.
If they were really worried about Benitez going off to Real Madrid then okay, nothing wrong with putting some feelers out.
But completely giving the game away like this and letting things leak out is just not how things are done at Anfield.
So the longer this goes on the more you worry about the Liverpool owners.
Their hearts just can’t be in it any more and this club can’t afford to be guided by people who have that attitude.
Mark Lawrenson was talking to NICK SMITH
Owners’ doubts on Benitez could unsettle star players
Jan 15 2008 By Mark Lawrenson - Liverpool Daily Post
SO managers aren’t managers any more – they’re ‘insurance policies’.What rubbish. Or garbage, as Tom Hicks and George Gillett would say.
Yesterday’s admission that they met Jurgen Klinsmann just gives further credence to the theory that the right hand doesn’t know what the left hand is doing.
But what both hands appear to be doing is nothing but push Rafa away – and that’s barmy.
For a start, the crowd will go bananas about that, as they should already know if they paid any attention to what happened before the Porto game a few weeks back.
Then there’s the issue of having to pay him off, which is a bit of a problem what with money being so apparently tight at the moment.
And who do they reckon will take the job now anyway? Getting good managers is so difficult.
They certainly can’t have Klinsmann now he’s landed Bayern Munich (lucky escape for him, or what?) and even if Jose Mourinho did want it, he can’t manage a club in England until the summer anyway.
And you can probably forget Javier Mascherano signing as well as waving goodbye to Fernando Torres.
Benitez played a big part in luring him to Liverpool and has helped him settle but if he goes and then gets homesick, that’s it, he’ll be off.
And the way he’s playing you can’t really see there being much tumbleweed around the market when he’s on it.
So it’s complete madness if they think they need a change of manager at this stage of the season and – even though they now predictably insist Rafa has their backing – Hicks and Gillett are certainly going the right way about it.
But for all this public undermining I don’t think Benitez should go.
He needs to hang on, pick his strongest teams, win a trophy and make it 15-15. Stick the ball back in their court.
There’s no reason why he can’t carry on with the football side effectively. It’s not as if he’s ever had a great relationship with the owners anyway and they’re so distant from the whole operation that it shouldn’t affect his day-to-day working anyway.
If they wanted to interfere they’d have to come over a lot more often than when there’s a big name in town.
So Rafa needs to say: “Stuff you lot – I’m going to make sure we have a good second half of the season.”
I would love to see him do that because I’ve actually come down firmly on his side over the whole issue of their spat back in November.
Okay, he was wrong to go on a bit of a sulk – but he was dead right in the overall point.
That Hicks and Gillett didn’t understand the way transfers worked in Europe and that they needed to sit down to sort out how they were going to land their targets in the next window.
I don’t think that was out of order – in fact, I don’t think it would have been out of order if he’d said they don’t understand anything about football at all.
They certainly don’t seem to understand the history of Liverpool, no matter how much they insisted they did when they first took over.
However, it’s the future of it I’m worried about, because at the moment Liverpool just isn’t Liverpool.
Never mind all the stuff about revising stadium plans, selling on shares to DIC – even if they walk away with a profit and pass it all on to someone else, good luck to them I say.
But that wasn’t what they told everybody when they were in for the club this time last year.
And the trust between them and the supporters just diminishes even further when they come out and admit secret meetings with the likes of Klinsmann and they don’t seem to think that’s a problem.
Come on! How naive can you be?
If you really want to sound out another manager, just employ someone to make discreet enquiries.
You don’t even have to say which club you’re doing it on behalf of, just test the water to see what the potential candidates are.
If they were really worried about Benitez going off to Real Madrid then okay, nothing wrong with putting some feelers out.
But completely giving the game away like this and letting things leak out is just not how things are done at Anfield.
So the longer this goes on the more you worry about the Liverpool owners.
Their hearts just can’t be in it any more and this club can’t afford to be guided by people who have that attitude.
Mark Lawrenson was talking to NICK SMITH
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.
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REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
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by Ciggy » Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:51 am
"Approaching a man not fit to wipe Rafa's @rse,
That you'd mention it in public shows a complete lack of class.
Consulting him on football also has me intrigued,
Where's his La Liga's? His Champions League's?
That you'd mention it in public shows a complete lack of class.
Consulting him on football also has me intrigued,
Where's his La Liga's? His Champions League's?
There is no-one anywhere in the world at any stage who is any bigger or any better than this football club.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
Kenny Dalglish 1/2/2011
REST IN PEACE PHIL, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.
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by steviec » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:04 am
Tell me Mr Hicks! Exactly how many titles as a coach has Herr Klinsman actually won? answer: NONE you clown. Then why don't you just give the job to my aunt Matilda, she will save you a few dollars and keep the place trim as well.
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by account deleted by request » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:08 am
Bamaga man wrote:bunglemark2 wrote:Heard on the radio this a.m. that Rafa is considering legal routes, now that it's apparent G&H talked to Klinsmann...
Methinks "shooting yourself" and "foot" are apt phrases....
If he thinks he has the financial clout to go up against G&H on this, he's barking up the wrong tree. These guys will wipe the floor with him. I'm no G&H fan - truth be told I was wary of a pair like them on the other side of the world, where 'soccer' is way behind in the pecking order on prime time TV, where there's no 'culture' (full stop
But...Rafa is wrong to go down that road. Future employers will look upon him as a problem child and he's not doing himself any favours....
What so he shouldnt stand up for his rights?
Hey bamaga how come you still have a yellow card mate? I thought there was a Christmas amnesty?
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by 66-1112520797 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:43 am
s@int wrote:Bamaga man wrote:bunglemark2 wrote:Heard on the radio this a.m. that Rafa is considering legal routes, now that it's apparent G&H talked to Klinsmann...
Methinks "shooting yourself" and "foot" are apt phrases....
If he thinks he has the financial clout to go up against G&H on this, he's barking up the wrong tree. These guys will wipe the floor with him. I'm no G&H fan - truth be told I was wary of a pair like them on the other side of the world, where 'soccer' is way behind in the pecking order on prime time TV, where there's no 'culture' (full stop
But...Rafa is wrong to go down that road. Future employers will look upon him as a problem child and he's not doing himself any favours....
What so he shouldnt stand up for his rights?
Hey bamaga how come you still have a yellow card mate? I thought there was a Christmas amnesty?
The G&H's of this forum are pushing me out.
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by account deleted by request » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:01 am
Bamaga man wrote:s@int wrote:Bamaga man wrote:bunglemark2 wrote:Heard on the radio this a.m. that Rafa is considering legal routes, now that it's apparent G&H talked to Klinsmann...
Methinks "shooting yourself" and "foot" are apt phrases....
If he thinks he has the financial clout to go up against G&H on this, he's barking up the wrong tree. These guys will wipe the floor with him. I'm no G&H fan - truth be told I was wary of a pair like them on the other side of the world, where 'soccer' is way behind in the pecking order on prime time TV, where there's no 'culture' (full stop
But...Rafa is wrong to go down that road. Future employers will look upon him as a problem child and he's not doing himself any favours....
What so he shouldnt stand up for his rights?
Hey bamaga how come you still have a yellow card mate? I thought there was a Christmas amnesty?
The G&H's of this forum are pushing me out.
Yeah I heard that mate, I think they have peewee lined up to replace you
Only as insurance though
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by lakes10 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:04 am
There was a bit on bbc radio last night asking what is best for Liverpool fc RIGHT NOW.
There view was that our owners will still be at the club for at least a year and even if they do sell it they will not sell all of it.
with that in mind they then asked what is next for our manager, all of them stuck up for Rafa and said how bad the owners were to act like this but they could not se how Rafa could stay at the club with what has gone on.
They said that Rafa knows now what the owners think of him, they also said to be fair to the owners that Liverpools results in the Prem since Rafa has been at the club did not match what he has spent.
With that also in mind they felt that it was time for Rafa to move on.
they did pick a job for Rafa and that was as Manager of Spain, they felt that if he ever got that job he would do very well and had a great chance of winning the world cup.
There view was that our owners will still be at the club for at least a year and even if they do sell it they will not sell all of it.
with that in mind they then asked what is next for our manager, all of them stuck up for Rafa and said how bad the owners were to act like this but they could not se how Rafa could stay at the club with what has gone on.
They said that Rafa knows now what the owners think of him, they also said to be fair to the owners that Liverpools results in the Prem since Rafa has been at the club did not match what he has spent.
With that also in mind they felt that it was time for Rafa to move on.
they did pick a job for Rafa and that was as Manager of Spain, they felt that if he ever got that job he would do very well and had a great chance of winning the world cup.
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lakes10 wrote:There was a bit on bbc radio last night asking what is best for Liverpool fc RIGHT NOW.
There view was that our owners will still be at the club for at least a year and even if they do sell it they will not sell all of it.
with that in mind they then asked what is next for our manager, all of them stuck up for Rafa and said how bad the owners were to act like this but they could not se how Rafa could stay at the club with what has gone on.
They said that Rafa knows now what the owners think of him, they also said to be fair to the owners that Liverpools results in the Prem since Rafa has been at the club did not match what he has spent.
With that also in mind they felt that it was time for Rafa to move on.
they did pick a job for Rafa and that was as Manager of Spain, they felt that if he ever got that job he would do very well and had a great chance of winning the world cup.
Right now I would say Rafa should stay. He deserves the rest of this season to show what he can do. If he fails and gets the sack in the summer, I think thats fair enough, but to get rid of him halfway through the season is stupid.
Whether he wants to stay is another thing.
I think he's too young for the Spain job, and would probably want another top club.
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by lakes10 » Tue Jan 15, 2008 11:15 am
s@int wrote:lakes10 wrote:There was a bit on bbc radio last night asking what is best for Liverpool fc RIGHT NOW.
There view was that our owners will still be at the club for at least a year and even if they do sell it they will not sell all of it.
with that in mind they then asked what is next for our manager, all of them stuck up for Rafa and said how bad the owners were to act like this but they could not se how Rafa could stay at the club with what has gone on.
They said that Rafa knows now what the owners think of him, they also said to be fair to the owners that Liverpools results in the Prem since Rafa has been at the club did not match what he has spent.
With that also in mind they felt that it was time for Rafa to move on.
they did pick a job for Rafa and that was as Manager of Spain, they felt that if he ever got that job he would do very well and had a great chance of winning the world cup.
Right now I would say Rafa should stay. He deserves the rest of this season to show what he can do. If he fails and gets the sack in the summer, I think thats fair enough, but to get rid of him halfway through the season is stupid.
Whether he wants to stay is another thing.
I think he's too young for the Spain job, and would probably want another top club.
I think you are right about the spain job.
If he is to stay at our club what should be asked of him now, what should his target be, we know he is a good Cup manager and that is a given so i dont feel that it should be taken on how well we do in the cups, it should be more to do with how well he cn do in the Prem from here on in. If he can take 95% of all points that are open to us i think that would show that he has what it takes to stay manager.
95% is based on draws with the other big clubs.
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