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by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:08 am

you think u would....yet again ur arrogance is astounding! how can you presume to destroy anyone o a political debate that you dont know....?

you arrogant t w at
you need to get a life u knobend!

You do realise right that ad hominem attacks are a clear sign that someone has absolutely no credible arguments, right?

honestly you should read some of the rubbish that you write.... its actually pathetic.....and patronising....go get a life! im sure u need a finer stage than a football forum to prove your no doubted genius.......

You're quite correct. I think I'll join the MENSA forums and offer my opinion regarding Rafa, Hicks and Gillett....then again I suppose I could just post those opinions on a Liverpool FC forum, where it belongs.

and if you read any of my posts did i say or advocate burning any flag?

The forum mod already asked for that discussion to end.

Which I have complied with.

It's a dead issue.

no i didnt, so get your facts right sunshine, I dont like the 2 americans and i dont the way they are running Liverpool Football club,

In that case, stop wasting your time making a fool of yourself by trying to insult me, and actually post something relevant to the thread.

nor do I like some of the things that have been done by the United States under the name of freedom.

The policies of the United States are irrelevant to this discussion and forum.

so get your facts straight and dont be so patronising.
as for a political debate....I wouldnt advice you to go down that route if i were u.......

Oh I tremble with fear.

by **Sabre** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:10 am

NANNY RED wrote:do you know what ive just noticed my names in red
Sabre

Yes I also noticed you become a bit red when Bamaga is around :blush:

by **Igor Zidane** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:13 am

Yankee17 wrote:I don't post often. But I cannot keep silent this time.
I am well and truly in shock and disbelief over the manner in which the owners have handled this whole situation. I am disgusted. They have lied to us, they have mis-lead us, and they are currently dragging the Liverpool name through the mud. We have in one short year become the laughingstock of the Premier League.

I firmly support Rafa Benitez. I think that he is a great manager and that he could lead us to win the league mulitple times over. Sure, he has made mistakes in the transfer market, and in some player usage and substitutions. But overall, in the last four years he has done remarkable things with our club. He has a long term vision for LFC and I firmly believe by his actions he expected to be here for a long time.

I do not want Morinho as our manager. He does not embody the Liverpool spirit. HE whines, he moans, he complains, he is essentially a disgrace. And I would be gutted if he were hired to replace RB. I would feel gutted for RB because of the lack of respect they have for each other.

I cannot believe that anyone with a clear conscience or any working mental capacity could still support the owners at this stage. They have done NOTHING to earn our trust or our support. This is truly a sad day for Liverpool.

I am sorry that my nation is being represented by these ignorant, childish liars.

Gutted.

Listen mate , don't take it personally , the anti americanism , everyone is just well p!ssed off with what's going on . What i will say though which is 100% fact .

WE HAVE TWO DISLOYAL ,NO MARK, BACKSTABBING ,SNIDE ,LYING TW@TS, as owners who happen to be American.

by **66-1112520797** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:14 am

Sabre wrote:
NANNY RED wrote:do you know what ive just noticed my names in red
Sabre

Yes I also noticed you become a bit red when Bamaga is around

Nanny you deserve to be a Red, and as for sucking werthers originals, teeth 2 teeth, I thought it was more cheek to cheek.

Chris de Burgh rocks.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:15 am

I do not want Morinho as our manager. He does not embody the Liverpool spirit. HE whines, he moans, he complains, he is essentially a disgrace

The Liverpool spirit is to win stuff.

If Jose became LFC manager and won the Premiership, I doubt anyone would complain, because they'd be hungover after the celebration parties across the city.

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:17 am

I posted this in another thread but should of put it in here sorry for the bad language

Ive argued with lads on the kop from day one about these two ive never trusted them, lads used to say to me give them a chance girl, give them a chance the need shooting for bringing the name of my beloved club in to the gutter.

WE WERE HERE FIRST YANKS AND WE WILL BE HERE LONG AFTER YOUVE GONE THE SOONER THE BETTER.

Just got to say this though

Rafa lad we know you love us and we love you dont let them make you walk dont give in to these conning :censored:

hold your head up lad remember our song

WHEN YOU WALK THROUGH A STORM HOLD YOUR HEAD UP HIGH.

You aint done nothing wrong lad you tried to tell us what was going on but the told you to go and coach your team . Well carry on coaching your team lad were behind you.

Let them be the first to go as they said in there own words they are only the custodians THE FANS ARE THE REAL OWNERS . And as a fan im telling them to F.UCK OFF

HALA RAFA BENITEZ

by **Pedro Maradona** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:19 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:
you think u would....yet again ur arrogance is astounding! how can you presume to destroy anyone o a political debate that you dont know....?

you arrogant t w at
you need to get a life u knobend!

You do realise right that ad hominem attacks are a clear sign that someone has absolutely no credible arguments, right?

honestly you should read some of the rubbish that you write.... its actually pathetic.....and patronising....go get a life! im sure u need a finer stage than a football forum to prove your no doubted genius.......

You're quite correct. I think I'll join the MENSA forums and offer my opinion regarding Rafa, Hicks and Gillett....then again I suppose I could just post those opinions on a Liverpool FC forum, where it belongs.

and if you read any of my posts did i say or advocate burning any flag?

The forum mod already asked for that discussion to end.

Which I have complied with.

It's a dead issue.

no i didnt, so get your facts right sunshine, I dont like the 2 americans and i dont the way they are running Liverpool Football club,

In that case, stop wasting your time making a fool of yourself by trying to insult me, and actually post something relevant to the thread.

nor do I like some of the things that have been done by the United States under the name of freedom.

The policies of the United States are irrelevant to this discussion and forum.

so get your facts straight and dont be so patronising.
as for a political debate....I wouldnt advice you to go down that route if i were u.......

Oh I tremble with fear.

wow!!! there is a surprise! another arrogant and patronising post from you....wow i bow to your incredible powers of intelligence...Im sure your mother is very proud of u, but have u any friends?

by **66-1112520797** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:23 am

MP, I prefer Rafa's mannerisms (sp) to that Jose Moriniho's.

There isnt too much in it, as to who is the better manager IMO, maybe Mouriniho shades it after winning the title back 2 back.

Rafa as a man doesnt infuriate me like Mouriniho does, but as a manager he does I get annoyed with some of his selections, tactics and whatever and have clearly been labelled by myself as an anti-rotationist.

But the actions of the Yanks is nothing short of disgraceful, and they should have more respect for him than that. However they do their things in the good old US of A does not and will not wash with Scousers and the British alike.

I think we need to support Rafa, even if you dont always agree with his methods, its out of principal more than anything.

by **account deleted by request** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:26 am

From The TimesJanuary 15, 2008

Rafael Benitez struggling to walk on

Oliver Kay
Rafael BenÍtez will battle on as Liverpool manager, despite having his position undermined further yesterday when Tom Hicks, one of the club’s owners, admitted that he had attempted to line up Jürgen Klinsmann to replace the Spaniard.

The news did not surprise BenÍtez, who had already learnt of the meeting that Hicks and George Gillett Jr held with Klinsmann in California in late November, but he is understood to be aghast at the co-chairman’s willingness to make the information public. Hicks defended the approach by saying that the former Germany coach was targeted as “an insurance policy” against BenÍtez’s departure for Real Madrid or another club, but that casual admission has caused astonishment even within Liverpool, where some believe that the manager has effectively been rendered a lame duck.

The threat from Klinsmann has since evaporated, with the former Tottenham Hotspur forward signing a contract on Friday to succeed Ottmar Hitzfeld as coach of Bayern Munich from July 1, but, despite the insistence of Hicks that BenÍtez has his “support” after a clear-the-air meeting last month, there is a feeling within the club that the Spaniard’s position is untenable in the long term and perhaps even in the short term after another damaging blow to his credibility.

In an interview with the Liverpool Echo, Hicks said: “In November, when it appeared we were in danger of not advancing in the Champions League, weren’t playing well in our Premier League matches and we were having communication issues [with BenÍtez] over the January transfer window, George and I met with Jürgen Klinsmann to learn as much as we could about English and European football.

“He is a very impressive man. We attempted to negotiate an option, as an insurance policy, to have him become our manager in the event Rafa decided to leave our club for Real Madrid or other clubs that were rumoured in the UK press, or in case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason.”

BenÍtez chose not to respond to Hicks’s comment, but, upset as he may be, he has no plans to resign from his position. Manuel GarcÍa Quillon, his agent, last night told The Times: “Rafa wants to stay at Liverpool. He is happy with the club, with the supporters and with the city. He does not want to leave.” Cynics may feel that BenÍtez is merely holding out for a payday, with Liverpool likely to have to provide £6 million in compensation if he is dismissed, but the Spaniard has not abandoned all hope of staying on as manager, even if it appears that he has little or no chance of surviving under the present regime.

There have been indications in recent weeks that Hicks and Gillett may be forced to sell Liverpool, with the American tycoons under serious pressure to refinance the £270 million loan that they used to buy the club last February. Doubts about their financial strength increased with Hicks’s admission that they had held talks in October with Dubai International Capital, the private-equity arm of the Arab state, about selling a 15 per cent stake in the club for £150 million, but that meeting did not come to fruition.

Hicks added that no further talks were planned, while there were indications from Texas last night that Hicks expects to secure a successful refinancing package “this week”, which would enable them to proceed with their troubled bid to build a new 70,000-capacity stadium in Stanley Park.

Regardless of their long-term plans, though, Hicks and Gillett face an immediate battle to win back the trust of the supporters, having plotted to replace the popular BenÍtez. A protest of some kind is expected at this evening’s FA Cup third-round replay at home to Luton Town.

by **The Manhattan Project** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:30 am

wow!!! there is a surprise! another arrogant and patronising post from you....wow i bow to your incredible powers of intelligence...Im sure your mother is very proud of u, but have u any friends?

Another ad hominem attack!

LOL

MP, I prefer Rafa's mannerisms (sp) to that Jose Moriniho's.

There isnt too much in it, as to who is the better manager IMO, maybe Mouriniho shades it after winning the title back 2 back.

Rafa as a man doesnt infuriate me like Mouriniho does, but as a manager he does I get annoyed with some of his selections, tactics and whatever and have clearly been labelled by myself as an anti-rotationist.

But the actions of the Yanks is nothing short of disgraceful, and they should have more respect for him than that. However they do their things in the good old US of A does not and will not wash with Scousers and the British alike.

I think we need to support Rafa, even if you dont always agree with his methods, its out of principal more than anything.

My support of Rafa is linked to team performance.

If we win, then he's doing the job correctly.

Every point we drop in the Prem hurts his position.

For all the hysteria, Hicks said that he made the Klinsmann approach when we were on the verge of a first round CL exit, but things changed for the better and now Rafa has his support.

Had we been knocked out in the first round of the CL, I think the issue may have been not "whether" the manager was replaced, but rather "who is the new manager going to be?"

It's a "then" and "now" issue. Things have changed now. How permanent that change will be depends on Rafa and his performance as manager in the Prem and CL.

by **Sabre** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:31 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:
I do not want Morinho as our manager. He does not embody the Liverpool spirit. HE whines, he moans, he complains, he is essentially a disgrace

The Liverpool spirit is to win stuff.

If Jose became LFC manager and won the Premiership, I doubt anyone would complain, because they'd be hungover after the celebration parties across the city.

Of course. But that's a big if Manhattan.

I think we all agree Liverpool are not where they deserve as we speak. But a few great managers had bad seasons. The fact that we're not clicking now doesn't mean he won't click tomorrow or next season.

IMHO, in football you have to have some patience. If a man that has won at least cups and was in the CL final hasn't it, then I wouldn't like to be on the next manager's skin, he'll work under a hell of pressure.

Rafa is a top manager. Liverpool is a top club and needs winning the league again. Fair enough, but I'd sack him once it's clear he won't give us the premiership title. But this is the first season Rafa said we have a deep squad. I don't think his cycle was over. I think much of the lack of patience of some good fans like you is due to the high expectations that Rafa precisely has generated.

He deserved another season at least. Not for sentimental reasons, but for prudence reasons. You have to be sure that he's not the right man for sacking him, and you've taken the decission in the worst moment of season, during a crisis. You have to take that decission with a calm head, IMHO.

by **laza** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:36 am

Bamaga man wrote:MP, I prefer Rafa's mannerisms (sp) to that Jose Moriniho's.

There isnt too much in it, as to who is the better manager IMO, maybe Mouriniho shades it after winning the title back 2 back.

Rafa as a man doesnt infuriate me like Mouriniho does, but as a manager he does I get annoyed with some of his selections, tactics and whatever and have clearly been labelled by myself as an anti-rotationist.

But the actions of the Yanks is nothing short of disgraceful, and they should have more respect for him than that. However they do their things in the good old US of A does not and will not wash with Scousers and the British alike.

I think we need to support Rafa, even if you dont always agree with his methods, its out of principal more than anything.

Exactly
For me its largely irrelevent whether you think Rafa is the man to lead us to glory. While ive been bitterly disappointed how this season has panned out, I still think he is but thats not the issue

This is about respect and honour for a club with highest traditions and they have been tarnished by those soul less and for that matter clueless owners.

There were plenty of fans baying for a private sale so we could have sort of money clout like others. While i knew there was going to be a price to paid for that money. I didnt realise it would be this high

This is Anfield not Wal Mart

by **puroresu** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:38 am

Sabre wrote:
The Manhattan Project wrote:
I do not want Morinho as our manager. He does not embody the Liverpool spirit. HE whines, he moans, he complains, he is essentially a disgrace

The Liverpool spirit is to win stuff.

If Jose became LFC manager and won the Premiership, I doubt anyone would complain, because they'd be hungover after the celebration parties across the city.

Of course. But that's a big if Manhattan.

I think we all agree Liverpool are not where they deserve as we speak. But a few great managers had bad seasons. The fact that we're not clicking now doesn't mean he won't click tomorrow or next season.

IMHO, in football you have to have some patience. If a man that has won at least cups and was in the CL final hasn't it, then I wouldn't like to be on the next manager's skin, he'll work under a hell of pressure.

Rafa is a top manager. Liverpool is a top club and needs winning the league again. Fair enough, but I'd sack him once it's clear he won't give us the premiership title. But this is the first season Rafa said we have a deep squad. I don't think his cycle was over. I think much of the lack of patience of some good fans like you is due to the high expectations that Rafa precisely has generated.

He deserved another season at least. Not for sentimental reasons, but for prudence reasons. You have to be sure that he's not the right man for sacking him, and you've taken the decission in the worst moment of season, during a crisis. You have to take that decission with a calm head, IMHO.

He needs to stop with the defensive negative football if he wants to win the league. Rafa is defensive minded. Always has been and looks like always will be. That style does not impress me and LFC are better than that. We need a change. new ideas and for me if u dont promote full flowing expansive football then I dont want u.

by **NANNY RED** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:40 am

The fact that Rafa new about this in November and kept his mouth shut says it all

The man is loyal it just proves how much he loves this club and the supporters . Hes gone up in my estimation even more now

by **LFC2007** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:40 am

The Manhattan Project wrote:
MP, I prefer Rafa's mannerisms (sp) to that Jose Moriniho's.

There isnt too much in it, as to who is the better manager IMO, maybe Mouriniho shades it after winning the title back 2 back.

Rafa as a man doesnt infuriate me like Mouriniho does, but as a manager he does I get annoyed with some of his selections, tactics and whatever and have clearly been labelled by myself as an anti-rotationist.

But the actions of the Yanks is nothing short of disgraceful, and they should have more respect for him than that. However they do their things in the good old US of A does not and will not wash with Scousers and the British alike.

I think we need to support Rafa, even if you dont always agree with his methods, its out of principal more than anything.

My support of Rafa is linked to team performance.

If we win, then he's doing the job correctly.

Every point we drop in the Prem hurts his position.

For all the hysteria, Hicks said that he made the Klinsmann approach when we were on the verge of a first round CL exit, but things changed for the better and now Rafa has his support.

Had we been knocked out in the first round of the CL, I think the issue may have been not "whether" the manager was replaced, but rather "who is the new manager going to be?"

It's a "then" and "now" issue. Things have changed now. How permanent that change will be depends on Rafa and his performance as manager in the Prem and CL.

You've been of the belief for a while though that Rafa should have at the very least next season to develop a title winning side.
Has your position now changed?

Secondly, I think the hysteria is perfectly legitimate. Hicks shouldn't have come out in the press, especially at a time of relative crisis, and explained how they lined up another manager to replace Rafa. Do you accept this?

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