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by **account deleted by request** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:49 pm

JoeTerp wrote:
john craig wrote:
s@int wrote:I still don't trust Hicks or Gillett though

Glad to see it's not just me then.

I get the feeling something's not right and I'd go as far as to say I reckon they want out. First they don't back Benitez in the transfer market and coincidently there might be a problem with the new stadium (Parry doesn't exactly fill me with confidence either despite what he says). Something smells. Watch this space.

What do you mean they haven't backed him in the transfer market!?!! The only transfer period we have had so far with them in charge we got RECORD SIGNING Fernando Torres and Babel for over 10, Lucas wasn't cheap, Yossi, and a couple mil on Leto

We actually only spent about £20 odd million net on transfers(after you take off the transfers out) which is more or less the exact amount we received last season for reaching the Cl final. I.E. Net spend £0.

I think thats the argument Joe.

by **redtrader74** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:29 pm

Bang on Saint, i've said the same thing before, G&H have said a lot of great things, excellent soundbites to get the fans on side, hey even crested boots, but so far have not backed it up with one penny towards the CLUB. The spend this Summer was under £20m, (recent quotes from Rafa), money he and the team created from the CL run, so no doubt a similar amount would have been available had the yanks not taken over.

Maybe its just taking them time to get their finances in order, and i am wrong, but personally i do not want the Club put in massive debts in order to finance a new stadium, a reasonable debt to turnover ratio is fair enough, but the £700m being bandied about is horrifying, and i hop it is just tabloid b *ll*c*ks. (what a surprise that would be on the eve of a massive game, :censored:

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by **J*o*n*D*o*e** » Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:41 pm

These two need to come out and put this story to bed before they fly back to the USofA.

if this does turn out to be another press rumour then what the fook is going on with these people, first the Rafa fiasco and now this. :angry:

by **Woollyback** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:23 am

Emerald Red wrote:If there's one thing I learned from experience a long time ago, and I don't give a flying f*ck what someone thinks about my following comment, is that the vast majority of Yanks are just full of sh*t. They talk sh*t. Act sh*t. God gave them one outstanding gift, and that's just to be sh*t talkers. Most of them do my head in. Oh, and I don't trust the c*nts either.

that's cos they're all irish

by **destro** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:26 am

Woollyback wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:If there's one thing I learned from experience a long time ago, and I don't give a flying f*ck what someone thinks about my following comment, is that the vast majority of Yanks are just full of sh*t. They talk sh*t. Act sh*t. God gave them one outstanding gift, and that's just to be sh*t talkers. Most of them do my head in. Oh, and I don't trust the c*nts either.

that's cos they're all irish

by **holylamb2006** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:58 am

that's cos they're all irish

Ye take a dig at the irish y dnt u ......

The only sketchy thing about this whole new stadium is that the 2 owners are BORROWNG £700m .....nearly $1bil....
that means LFC will be in 700 million debt now that is a huge amount of money to be owing to the banks incuding the interest the bleeding thing is going to make ....

If they decide to leave that means LFC is in 700 million debt and i dnt think anyone would buy us and pay 700 million just to keep us alive

I kno arsenal have got a new stadium but thats only because they bought that out of their own money not borrowing it ...

I think this is a risk taking a 700 million loan cause i can see this going horribly wrong ...

by **JoeTerp** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:07 am

s@int wrote:
JoeTerp wrote:
john craig wrote:
s@int wrote:I still don't trust Hicks or Gillett though

Glad to see it's not just me then.

I get the feeling something's not right and I'd go as far as to say I reckon they want out. First they don't back Benitez in the transfer market and coincidently there might be a problem with the new stadium (Parry doesn't exactly fill me with confidence either despite what he says). Something smells. Watch this space.

What do you mean they haven't backed him in the transfer market!?!! The only transfer period we have had so far with them in charge we got RECORD SIGNING Fernando Torres and Babel for over 10, Lucas wasn't cheap, Yossi, and a couple mil on Leto

We actually only spent about £20 odd million net on transfers(after you take off the transfers out) which is more or less the exact amount we received last season for reaching the Cl final. I.E. Net spend £0.

I think thats the argument Joe.

From the Article that S@int posted in the other thread: But of course, Benítez, who has also recouped a fair amount of money (his net spend this summer was only around £25m)

And so far, he hasn't not been backed in January. The fact that Torres has worked out brilliantly bodes well to the fact that if you spend big it can be worth it. I hope their confidence in Rafa's eye for talent increases with the success of this summers money well spent. But the owners, and a lot of fans, and maybe rafa also realize that there is some dead weight on this team, and if my money was at stake, I would certainly ask the manager to sell some of it off before just giving him more to spend.

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:24 am

Woollyback wrote:
Emerald Red wrote:If there's one thing I learned from experience a long time ago, and I don't give a flying f*ck what someone thinks about my following comment, is that the vast majority of Yanks are just full of sh*t. They talk sh*t. Act sh*t. God gave them one outstanding gift, and that's just to be sh*t talkers. Most of them do my head in. Oh, and I don't trust the c*nts either.

that's cos they're all irish

Correction: they all want to be Irish! There's a difference.

Look at my avatar after reading that.

by **holylamb2006** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:51 am

hahahaha

by **Woollyback** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:52 am

you're a paranoid lot you irish, i thought you were meant to be a bunch of jokers :laugh:

by **Emerald Red** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:33 am

Woollyback wrote:you're a paranoid lot you irish, i thought you were meant to be a bunch of jokers

Bit of both, really. Hundreds of years of alcohol abuse does that to people.

by **tommycockles** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:16 pm

Going back to the subject of the new stadium- it definitely seems like something is happening which isn't being fully explained to the fans. For Parry to come out and say "We remain absolutely committed to the building of a new stadium which will improve on the original design inherited by Tom Hicks and George Gillett when they came into the club" sounds a bit suss - he's not saying "we are still committed to the new plans"- he's just saying it'll "improve on the original (old) design". Maybe I’m giving Parry too much credit and he really is too stupid to explain things properly (probably jet-lagged from his holiday)- but alongside him saying it'll seat 70,000 means it isn't the plans we saw recently that were for a 60,000 seater and more worrying does this not mean we'll need further planning permissions which will mean even more delays?

by **JamCar05** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:53 pm

This article is from todays Echo, and the last part talks about Parry and the new stadium:

George Gillett: We’re right behind Rafa Benitez Dec 17 2007

by Tony Barrett, Liverpool Echo

GEORGE Gillett gave Rafa Benitez his unequivocal backing after Liverpool’s American owners held clear the air talks with the Reds boss at Anfield.

Benitez met with Gillett, co-owner Tom Hicks, Foster Gillett and Rick Parry for three hours following the 1-0 home defeat to Man United and the outcome was positive with all involved agreeing to bury their differences and work together for the good of the club.

And Parry today told the ECHO the club is still totally committed to delivering a stadium which the fans can be proud of, despite having to axe the futuristic design launched in the summer because of rising costs.

In an address to the Liverpool Former Players Association at a city centre hotel - just hours after talks with Benitez - George Gillett spoke of his regret over the fall out with the Spaniard but insisted his immediate future at the club is secure.

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He told an audience of Liverpool playing legends: “This wasn’t supposed to happen, but it has happened, and now the focus has to be on finding a common platform to continue our co-operation.

“Rafa is the one we want as a manager further on, and we have faith in him.

“I’ve been married over 40 years and have first hand knowledge about how to solve an argument!

“We concentrated on getting an overview over the situation, and I felt we accomplished that.”

Gillett was guarded about the imminent opening of the transfer window but spoke again about his role as a custodian of the club.

He added: “The transfer window opens soon and we might use the option that gives us, or we might not.

“Liverpool is a great club. We are well aware that we have something very valuable on our hands.

“Liverpool is not our club, it’s your club. The supporters’ club. It’s always been that way, and it will always be that way.”

Meanwhile, Rick Parry today admitted Liverpool have had to shelve their futuristic stadium design for Stanley Park because of spiralling costs, not due to the credit crunch in America, as reported elsewhere.

Liverpool are now considering their options but Parry moved to reassure fans that the club remains confident that a new stadium will be delivered in time for the start of the 2011/2012 season, in keeping with the original timescale.

He said: “We are now considering two schemes but the stadium will be a 70,000 seater.

“The new stadium will be a significant improvement on the original plans and a slightly downgraded version of the new ones.

“And it will be a massive improvement on where we were 12 months ago, if not quite as dramatic as the plans unveiled in the summer.

“The single tier Kop remains fundamental to the design and we are not expecting any delays – it should be on schedule for 2011.”

http://icliverpool.icnetwork.co.uk/0500liv....ge.html
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So it does sound like the plans we saw this summer aren't going to materialize completely.

by **tommycockles** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:17 pm

JamCar05 wrote:-----------------------------------
So it does sound like the plans we saw this summer aren't going to materialize completely.

...there's a shock.

After all the excitement I hope we don't go back to a bowl! Also, with it being 70,000 does this mean it won't be expandable again to the 76,000 they originally wanted? TBH i don't mind if it's only 70,000 as that's enough of an increase to make a difference, although if the design is a bowl with one end bigger or just with the boxes taken out then i'll be really disappointed.

If they're now talking about a new design then they must have plans for it- i hope they get these out to the fans as the longer this goes on the less i trust anything that comes out of their mouths!

by **redmikey** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:50 pm

i know i've been sing from the raffters abotu lfc leading the way . these people don't know how hard it is to go into work when you've lost to the manc and now this about the stadium. i will get it down the banks for the rest of this year!!!!!!

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