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by **112-1077774096** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:09 am

yes mate, fear of speaking up affects many people in life, not just religion but also people afraid to give evidence in court, people afraid to call the police over a group of yobs.

also lets not forget the press dont help, of course the british press only seem to highlight bad news, we never hear about good things in muslims countries as it doesnt affect people in the UK, the only thinks that affect people in the UK is bad things that the press will report, we end up with a biased view, just as i am sure people do in pakistan about the UK.

there are many people fuelling the flames here and people are getting carried along in it instead of saying 'hey wait a minute, that cant be right'

by **LFC2007** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:20 am

peewee wrote:also lets not forget the press dont help, of course the british press only seem to highlight bad news, we never hear about good things in muslims countries as it doesnt affect people in the UK,

Very true, the press aren't exactly the most balanced source of information. They exploit for their own means, I've been to Muslim countries before and there are plenty of peaceful people, it's just rogue elements who dominate the news coverage for obvious reasons. If only the passive majority would be more outspoken against these rogue elements then we may begin to see a change. As it stands, IMO there are too many who sympathise at a very basic level with these rogue elements who perceive Muslim oppression by the West as intruding and antipathetic. We live in a world of perception politics and that's part of the problem, the actions of Bush and co are being assimillated to the rest of us - even when a million people took to the streets of London in protest at the War in Iraq.

by **112-1077774096** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:01 am

yes, you can see it works both ways, we cant criticise islam for lumping us all in together over iraq when we do exactly the sme to them, we lump them all in together. the biggest difference being is that we do protest about our own rather than turn a blind eye to it, and we do it on mass.

what we dont do however is tend to blow things out of proportion. i have said before on here i believe in an eye for an eye, sadly some elements believe in an eye, an arm, a leg, a suicide bombing, an embassy burning for an eye

by **puroresu** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:30 am

LFC2007 wrote:
puroresu wrote:Not just Pakistan and Iran but the Islamic world could of stopped both invasions. These invasions start from bases in the Muslim world and if there Arab world had any leaders with backbone they wouldnt of allowed this to happen. Pakistan has nuclear weapons and should again with sincere leadership instead of a puppet dictator there forces should be to protect there neigbours in Afghanistan.

I agree with you that there are more pressing issues over the Salman Rushdie fiasco. What you say in the quoted part, I don't understand partly because it doesn't make clear sense.

I don't see how the Islamic world could have stopped the invasions. Presumably you see the invasions as an attack on Islam then? It's not a view I hold and it's a worrying view if you do see it like that.

The bit about Pakistan having nuclear weapons... makes no sense to me They are an ally of the U.S.. Do you think Pakistan should help protect Taliban extremists? Is that what you are saying?

I see the invasions as modern day colonism. The US wants to keep control of the resources in the region and thats why she doesnt mind the tyrannical rulers in the region. 2 to 3 years ago the US were saying "democratise the Middle East". They are not saying this anymore as they are so worried that the Islamic Parties would win. Hamas won in Palestine, the Muslim brotherhood are popular in Egypt and recent polls in the Islamic world show people want another caliphate.

I dont think Pakistan should protect the taliban at all. If anything it should of been them who used diplomatic pressure to get rid of the Taliban. However not only did they support the war on terror but the also use there own military against muslims in afghanistan. An ally of the US they maybe but again they are ruled by a dictator who has the blessing of the western world.

The West has its own values and freedom of expression is one. However there are still limits. If Condolezza rice visited Africa and a british newspaper printed a cartoon with her in a banana boat going back to Africa there would be outrage as it would be seen as offensive.

by **SouthCoastShankly** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:37 am

noseybonk wrote:screw these horrid monkey brained dress wearing bearded stinkin towel on me head dog shi4te
f))ckwits. In a few years we'll austwitz the fu3kers anyway.

Tip: If you want to sound hard - you need to learn the basics of spelling

by **Big Niall** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:23 am

noseybonk wrote:screw these horrid monkey brained dress wearing bearded stinkin towel on me head dog shi4te
f))ckwits. In a few years we'll austwitz the fu3kers anyway.

what a W*nk*r!

Of course muslims are paranoid about the west, USA & UK invaded Iraq for no good reason and are now shaping up about Iran. oil,oil,oil.

Anyway, I always wondered where those guys burning US flags in the middle east buy the flags - I mean what shop over there sells US flags?

Just out of interest would anybody here refer to somebody as "Sir" e.g Sir Alan Sugar - f*ck that - you're not my master!

by **112-1077774096** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:49 am

a lot of the flag burnings are staged mate, staged by the press, although the protests are not staged.

just like the guys burning gerrards shirt that time, staged by the press

by **puroresu** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:51 am

Big Niall wrote:
noseybonk wrote:screw these horrid monkey brained dress wearing bearded stinkin towel on me head dog shi4te
f))ckwits. In a few years we'll austwitz the fu3kers anyway.

what a W*nk*r!

Of course muslims are paranoid about the west, USA & UK invaded Iraq for no good reason and are now shaping up about Iran. oil,oil,oil.

Anyway, I always wondered where those guys burning US flags in the middle east buy the flags - I mean what shop over there sells US flags?

Just out of interest would anybody here refer to somebody as "Sir" e.g Sir Alan Sugar - f*ck that - you're not my master!

If I was the leader of Iran I would want a nuke. Irans neighbours were invaded for no justfiable reason and it looks like they may be next. North Korea have weapons hence they will never be invaded.

by **woof woof !** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:54 am

If anybody should be rioting over Rushdie getting a knighthood it should be us English .The honour system is an absolute joke ,long gone are the days when honours we awarded sparingly and only to the well deserved . It would seem that nowadays any t'wat with a bit of pull can get themselves a knighthood.

Sir Alex whiskey beak Ferguson
Sir Elton log pusher John
Sir Alan i'm rich you're not Sugar

I could go on but the list of totally undeserved recipients is seemingly endless but here's a few that surprised even me

Benito Mussolini italian fascist awarded GCB (grand commander order of bath) in 1923
J Edgar Hoover transvestite head of the FBI awarded KBE (Knight of the British Empire) in 1950
Robert Mugabe unhinged political gangster and self proclaimed president for life of Zimbabwe awarded KCB (knight commander order of bath) in 1994 .

No wonder so many now turn down the offer of a supposed honour , who in there right mind would join a club with that lot in it. :angry:

If I was a muslim I think I'd be laughing not rioting .

by **redtrader74** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:58 am

puroresu wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:I dont know much about the works of Rushtie, but I do know this, I studied Islam way back when, when I was a kid and they are very tolerant, it just seems that nowadays, it doesnt take much to insult the middle eastern religions, call a corner shop owner a and then the flags are burned and the effifies come out ! People true to islam keep very quite about things because mostly there religion isnt insulted, just a select few of people under 40 decide that its a case for war. Is it too late to knight Roy "Chubby" Brown??

we are tolerant. If people want to criticise Islam then thats fine. The cartoon issue was too far as again it was done knowing the response it would cause. There was no need for it and to try and justify it as freedom of expression made no sense.

First of all i would like to know why when cartoons etc of Jesus are made that the Muslim world does not go crazy, start burning effigies, threatening nation etc?

He was also a prophet of Islam

by **Ace Ventura** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:13 pm

woof woof ! wrote:If anybody should be rioting over Rushdie getting a knighthood it should be us English .The honour system is an absolute joke ,long gone are the days when honours we awarded sparingly and only to the well deserved . It would seem that nowadays any t'wat with a bit of pull can get themselves a knighthood.

Sir Alex whiskey beak Ferguson
Sir Elton log pusher John
Sir Alan i'm rich you're not Sugar

I could go on but the list of totally undeserved recipients is seemingly endless but here's a few that surprised even me

Benito Mussolini italian fascist awarded GCB (grand commander order of bath) in 1923
J Edgar Hoover transvestite head of the FBI awarded KBE (Knight of the British Empire) in 1950
Robert Mugabe unhinged political gangster and self proclaimed president for life of Zimbabwe awarded KCB (knight commander order of bath) in 1994 .

No wonder so many now turn down the offer of a supposed honour , who in there right mind would join a club with that lot in it.

If I was a muslim I think I'd be laughing not rioting .

Totally agree with ye mate.

As well as that, the general lets just give out awards to someone, rather than people that actually deserve them is becoming more pathetic with each year.
The sports people that get the OBE's and the MBE's every year for doing next to nothing has made a mockery of it all.

by **stmichael** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:29 pm

Just get rid of that money draining monarchy and this will eliminate the problem of knighthood.

Tell the Queen to get a job at her local chippie.

by **babu** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:36 pm

First of all i would like to know why when cartoons etc of Jesus are made that the Muslim world does not go crazy, start burning effigies, threatening nation etc?

He was also a prophet of Islam

Very true. And i assure you there are many who do get upset, but get little coverage. (btw not me, i dun give a shit ). However is Mohamad is far more revered for his role in the birth of Islam, imo.

by **dawson99** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:26 pm

puroresu wrote:
Kharhaz wrote:I dont know much about the works of Rushtie, but I do know this, I studied Islam way back when, when I was a kid and they are very tolerant, it just seems that nowadays, it doesnt take much to insult the middle eastern religions, call a corner shop owner a and then the flags are burned and the effifies come out ! People true to islam keep very quite about things because mostly there religion isnt insulted, just a select few of people under 40 decide that its a case for war. Is it too late to knight Roy "Chubby" Brown??

we are tolerant. If people want to criticise Islam then thats fine. The cartoon issue was too far as again it was done knowing the response it would cause. There was no need for it and to try and justify it as freedom of expression made no sense.

people were KILLED over a cartoon tho. some nuns were gunned down because of this. now people are saying suicide bombings would be ok???

sorry mate but thats just barbaric and stupid.

by **dawson99** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:26 pm

stmichael wrote:Just get rid of that money draining monarchy and this will eliminate the problem of knighthood.

Tell the Queen to get a job at her local chippie.

and the money draining the economy from the monarchy si nothing comapred to what comes in from tourism from out royalty!

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