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by **dawson99** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:03 am

Fecking iran and pakistan. So what if we knight an author?

Now they say its ok for retribution and suicide bombings and all that. They burn the flag and effigies again, and we are called the barbaric nation for giving a knighthood?

Now i dont know all that much about politics, but when another government says its ok to bomb us i think thats kidna outta order, almost an act of war in itself?

We cant be bullied on this. IT was bizarre to give Rushdie a knighthood but he has done a lot for the UK and the indian community with his charity work.

What does everyone else think about this?

(im not saying lets go to war or anything, but we cant just let other governments threaten us like this)

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:12 am

just ignore them mate, and to be fair i think it was just one politician who made the comments as opposed to the whole pakistani government. and the burning effigies etc is the norm in those countries, its a bit tiresome and childish

but yes you are right, it has f*ck all to do with other countries who we honour

by **babu** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:48 am

i remember when his book came out. There was uproar in the muslim world. I am pretty sure since then he has had a price on his head. Unfortunatly Islam is very sensitive to the written word, books are revered and treated with respect. But even muslim schoolars dare not write about the prophet mohamad's personal life. its just not on.

For example one of the best movies about the birth of Islam, is called 'The Message' and its all about the prophet, but you never see him in the movie.

All i can say is that Islam as a whole should be more tolerant.

However i do think the timing of this Knight Hood is a bit off.

ps Dawson - i give this thread 3-4 days before a couple of cards are handed out and thread is locked.

by **112-1077774096** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:45 am

i dont understand mate when you say the timing is a bit off, the book was written many years ago

by **Sabre** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:45 pm

Our history teacher tried in school we read the book and tried to explain it but it was far too complicated for our comprehension, it's not a book for "normal" people understanding, it's even more complicated and deep than Umberto Ecco's books.

IMHO this man had the right to write that , and never should have been threatened. And of course if his country want to give him knighthood, nor Iranians, nor Pakistanians, nor Spaniards, nor Americans can say anything. It's your right.

by **Big Niall** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:14 pm

While I think Knighthoods are cr*p, I wouldn't accept one If I was British, it is Britains right to give them to who they want.

I don't know why they gave it to somebody who could stir up such trouble though - give it to the harry potter woman instead

by **babu** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:00 pm

peewee wrote:i dont understand mate when you say the timing is a bit off, the book was written many years ago

peewee

you kinda of know me. I don't represent a normal muslim's view. But i think, they should have waited a few more years. This kinghthood, at this time, just brings the whole issue back into light (rightly or wrongly).

This is a time of misunderstanding, growing intolerance, and just basic idoicacy. This honour ( and i am not saying he does not deserve it) has antagonised and given fuel to people.

i know you will say, but when is the right time?, bearing in mind that Blair stated knighthoods cannot be given once someone is deceased. I can't answer that.

I but i firmly believe that both sides are doing their best to close the gaps between religion, culture, etc. This does not help.

Having said that, i loved that joke that came out after Rushdie published that book on mohamad (which i have not read).

'He has a new book, 'Fuck off Bhudda, you fat cunt'

by **dawson99** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:03 pm

they should f'cking grow up before we bomb them!!!

it was a book made fricking years ago, grow up!

by **babu** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:05 pm

dawson99 wrote:they should f'cking grow up before we bomb them!!!

it was a book made fricking years ago, grow up!

dude i am over it. was over it before it happened. etc etc

just saying this does not help.

but i am out of this debate. cya.

by **dawson99** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:13 pm

didnt mean u dude!!!

i meant the people who wanna start a war over a knighthood!!

come back babu!

by **LFC2007** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:17 pm

dawson99 wrote:Now they say its ok for retribution and suicide bombings and all that. They burn the flag and effigies again, and we are called the barbaric nation for giving a knighthood?

This is what really angers me, when the act of one man is depicted as the actions of an entire nation. It's similar to the reaction when a Danish editor printed blasphemous images of the prophet muhammed.

These news excerpts illustrate my point:

"Two people died when protesters turned on the US airbase at Bagram - although the US has had no involvement with the images, which originated in Denmark"

"Demonstrators shouted "death to Denmark" and "death to France"."

"Iran announced it was halting trade with Denmark, as protesters pelted the Danish embassy with petrol bombs.

Police fired tear gas in a bid to keep back hundreds of angry demonstrators, some of whom attempted to scale the wall into the embassy compound. Earlier, the Austrian embassy in Tehran came under attack."

"Muslims throughout the world immediately reacted to the Danish cartoon with predictable hysteria, threatening all of Europe with terrorism, death, economic boycotts and an oil embargo."

If they want to say Death to the editor of the magazine, fine, but they include the whole of Europe, America etc. I remember the protests in London where people were chanting "death to Europe", "Europe will pay in blood" etc.. What have the people of Denmark/Europe/America got to do with it? It was the act of one editor.

On the Rushdie point, it's quite similar really, the reaction is to immediately turn anti-western, anti-UK, anti-european etc.....

I can't say I have read the book the "satanic verses" since it would probably require a deep understanding of Islam. Having said that, he did apologise for the offense it caused to certain people, yet the fiasco it has caused is just unbelievable, people have been killed in protests, translators of the book have been killed etc... Even the reaction to the knighthood has been quite widespread, in Malaysia people chanted "destroy Britain". It's just not on, what say have we in deciding who receives a knighthood?

by **Big Niall** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:19 pm

Personally I'd support a war against Britain for giving Bono or Bob Geldoff their (honourary knighthood). An insult to the people of the world who don't worship pompous gits

by **dawson99** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:20 pm

i do love my 'bono is a tw@t' tshirt

by **Big Niall** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:17 pm

dawson99 wrote:i do love my 'bono is a tw@t' tshirt

your shirt is probably illegal here (ireland) as I think a law was past when I was a kid in crappy 1980s Ireland that as U2 were the only thing "to be proud of" that Bono is our God and you'll be arrested for blasphemy.

by **red37** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 7:54 pm

I love Salmon Rosti.

One large tin of John Wests Red, a couple of pound of spuds, an onion, then what you do is.......

:blush:

oops.

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