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by **Barca Murph** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:40 pm

Sabre wrote:Gudjohnsen is a better professional, and might train harder, but he's not a better player.

I would disagree with you :nod

by **kunilson** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:44 pm

seen saviola play quite a few times, he's very good on the ball aswell as off it and he would suit our game id reckon. decent finisher, which is what we need. his attitude would be a problem, and also i think he will need time to get back to peak form...not sure about him, certain he has the ability but not certain whether he will show it

by **Barca Murph** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:46 pm

Sabre wrote:under some circunstances, if the team is treating you badly, I'd understand a player refuses to cut his wages.

If Barca had treated him badly and he knew he wasn't wanted, surely he'd put his career first and look to get away asap?

He had 2 season out on loan at 2 different clubs. Had he taken a paycut he'd have won 2 la liga titles and the CL (he settled with a Uefa cup win).

Then when he came back and still knew he wasn't going to be a 1st team regular, he seemed happy to rot away as a rarely used squad player. Hardly a player looking to further his career, or one with the right motivation.

by **Sabre** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 1:52 pm

I can't argue that.

Would you swap him for Bellamy then?

(forget contracts, just as a player)

by **lio** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:21 pm

cpc4eva wrote:
Thingy wrote:Nah, id rather keep Bellamy than have him. Also Voronin is coming in. We wont sign him. Pretty much guarentee that.

quite possibly true lads.............

"Manchester United are set to beat Arsenal, Liverpool, Bolton, Valencia and Real Madrid to the signing of Barcelona's Argentine striker Javier Saviola, for a cut-price £7m (News of the World)."

... and now,

"According to reports, the 25-year-old Argentine has made it clear Old Trafford is his preferred destination after three years at Barca, despite interest from Arsenal, Liverpool, Bolton, Valencia and Real Madrid".

:hearts

I guessed that they have fallen in love ... let's move on.

see TEAMTALK

by **Barca Murph** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:27 pm

Sabre, Bellamy doesn't get enough goals for my liking.

Do any sport journalists actually do any investigation on their stories? Saviola signed for Barca in 2001, thats 6 years ago

by **LFC2007** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:50 pm

Barca Murph wrote:Barca had a debt in excess of 150million, and yes had they asked just Saviola to take a wage cut it would be wrong. But the fact all the other players asked took one and he didn't proves he didn't have the clubs best interests at heart.

Then when we offered to sell him he stayed on the bench to claim the bigger wages rather than go elsewhere to play 1st team football. The same happened when we eventually offered him a free transfer. He's just a mercenary and i don't even rate him that highly as a player. Gudjohnsen is better than him IMO.

I can understand your point in terms of his attitude, but he was under no obligation to take a wage cut, clubs should honour their contracts just as much as players should.

The debt is something Saviola is not responsible for.

Having said that, given others were at least willing to concede some of their wages to help the club it shows his attitude towards Barca.

That combined with his apparent lack of desire to look for a new challenge whilst on the bench at Barca does not give a glowing impression of his attitude.

I rate him as a talent, but I don't think he'd be right for us. He could perhaps be decent cover, but he would not be my preference.

A different kind of talent but not as good as Gudjohnsen IMO.

by **aCe'** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:09 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
Barca Murph wrote:Barca had a debt in excess of 150million, and yes had they asked just Saviola to take a wage cut it would be wrong. But the fact all the other players asked took one and he didn't proves he didn't have the clubs best interests at heart.

Then when we offered to sell him he stayed on the bench to claim the bigger wages rather than go elsewhere to play 1st team football. The same happened when we eventually offered him a free transfer. He's just a mercenary and i don't even rate him that highly as a player. Gudjohnsen is better than him IMO.

I can understand your point in terms of his attitude, but he was under no obligation to take a wage cut, clubs should honour their contracts just as much as players should.

The debt is something Saviola is not responsible for.

Having said that, given others were at least willing to concede some of their wages to help the club it shows his attitude towards Barca.

That combined with his apparent lack of desire to look for a new challenge whilst on the bench at Barca does not give a glowing impression of his attitude.

I rate him as a talent, but I don't think he'd be right for us. He could perhaps be decent cover, but he would not be my preference.

A different kind of talent but not as good as Gudjohnsen IMO.

you obviously dont know sht about saviola so u might aswell limit ur contribution in this thread to " oh he wouldnt take a pay cut... wat an a.sshole he is eh ?! ...lets not sign him...attitude is all that matters for us here in liverpool"

i doubt u ever even watced saviola play...yet you still come up with :censored:

like Crouch is better than him and oh...he offers no aerial threat !

ronaldo offers no aerial threat yet is still regarded the best player in recent football history...3rd best player in the making ! its not all about aerial ability ! not all about strength !

he has ball control better than anything we have..skills...finishing ability.... he IS wanted by the top clubs in europe for a reason you know ! if we can get him he'd be a very good signing and yes...better than anything we got !
watch a couple of games before you come up with all the "this is absolute rubbish" craap u come up with :censored:

!

his record speaks for itself... 136 goals in 290 games... get a clue mate ! and dont take that condescending tone with me eh !

by **aCe'** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:13 pm

LFC2007 wrote:
aCe' wrote:saviola is the better player of the 2 and the money we get for crouch can be used in getting the best wingers out there !
makes sense eh ?!

Absolute rubbish IMO.

Semolina is a small, nippy striker, with little strength, no aerial threat and decent finishing ability.

What would he add to our front line?

Would he create like Crouch does and even finish like Crouch can, would he pose as much of an aerial threat as any of our other strikers?

Would he chase back like Kuyt and help build our play?

I don't think he would do any of these, he is unproven in Europe - came with a huge reputation and a wage to match but has failed miserably.

As for not being sure about Voronin, he's not even played for us yet!!!

Get real.

sorry...should have quoted this craap of a post !

get real you say.... hehe !
:no

by **Barca Murph** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:22 pm

Ace i would have to disagree he is better than anything you've got. He would also join you as abit of an unknown in terms of playing in the Prem.

His attitude, his wages and lack of work rate would definitely lead me to look elsewhere if i were Rafa. I hope i don't get to say i told you so at the end of next season.

by **SoppMeister** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 6:33 pm

aCe' wrote:ronaldo offers no aerial threat yet

by **LFC2007** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:18 pm

aCe' wrote:
LFC2007 wrote:
Barca Murph wrote:Barca had a debt in excess of 150million, and yes had they asked just Saviola to take a wage cut it would be wrong. But the fact all the other players asked took one and he didn't proves he didn't have the clubs best interests at heart.

Then when we offered to sell him he stayed on the bench to claim the bigger wages rather than go elsewhere to play 1st team football. The same happened when we eventually offered him a free transfer. He's just a mercenary and i don't even rate him that highly as a player. Gudjohnsen is better than him IMO.

I can understand your point in terms of his attitude, but he was under no obligation to take a wage cut, clubs should honour their contracts just as much as players should.

The debt is something Saviola is not responsible for.

Having said that, given others were at least willing to concede some of their wages to help the club it shows his attitude towards Barca.

That combined with his apparent lack of desire to look for a new challenge whilst on the bench at Barca does not give a glowing impression of his attitude.

I rate him as a talent, but I don't think he'd be right for us. He could perhaps be decent cover, but he would not be my preference.

A different kind of talent but not as good as Gudjohnsen IMO.

you obviously dont know sht about saviola so u might aswell limit ur contribution in this thread to " oh he wouldnt take a pay cut... wat an a.sshole he is eh ?! ...lets not sign him...attitude is all that matters for us here in liverpool"

i doubt u ever even watced saviola play...yet you still come up with like Crouch is better than him and oh...he offers no aerial threat !

ronaldo offers no aerial threat yet is still regarded the best player in recent football history...3rd best player in the making ! its not all about aerial ability ! not all about strength !

he has ball control better than anything we have..skills...finishing ability.... he IS wanted by the top clubs in europe for a reason you know ! if we can get him he'd be a very good signing and yes...better than anything we got !
watch a couple of games before you come up with all the "this is absolute rubbish" craap u come up with !

his record speaks for itself... 136 goals in 290 games... get a clue mate ! and dont take that condescending tone with me eh !

And you obviously know EVERYTHING about EVERY single player that has ever lived.

Get over yourself you t!t.

You've just sealed yourself as a complete arsewipe IMO.

:rasp

"I doubt you've eva watched Semolina play"

Sure I have, when he's not too busy combing his hair on the bench!

Did I say Crouch was "better than him"

No.

It's you talking from your backside again, as usual.

I actually said "what would he add to our front line"

I then cited attributes that Crouch gives us.....

An aerial threat is something you need in England, both in attack and in defense, notice how many times Crouch is in our box successfully defending corners.

That is not to say every striker MUST be good in the air, but it sure helps.

He has quality, decent pace, but his style IMO is distinctly continental and suited to the continent in terms of tempo of the game, his diminutive figure etc....

When you talk about "Ronaldo" I'm presuming you're talking about the Brazilian one?

He was a special talent, no question, did he play in England, no.

If you happen to be talking about C. Ronaldo then I would say he is one of the most powerful aerial threats in the premier League.

Are you that short sighted about his aerial threat?

Anyway, exactly where did I say it IS ALL about "aerial ability and strength" ??

I didn't, I am saying those are attributes that tend to be needed if a foreign player is going to adapt to the Premiership.

Is Saviola wanted by all the top clubs?

How do you know? Are you his agent?

A guy that has achieved bugger all over the past six years and barely played for Barca, one of their top all time mercenaries, and yet all the top clubs are clambouring for his signature right?

:laugh:

And according to Wikipedia he scored 49 goals between 2001-2006. Muppet.

Now get back to playing championship manager

FAO Ace

:rasp

by **Barca Murph** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:40 pm

To be fair LFC2007, you have missed off the massive 16 goals he scored in the 2 seasons with Monaco and Sevilla :laugh:

by **Sabre** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:49 pm

In Barcelona he hasn't played much, but when used in cups and so on, I do remember a hat trick and everything. I think if you look the goals scored/mins ratio he is a good striker.

by **LFC2007** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 10:22 pm

He's overrated and hasn't achieved IMO, he's hardly played, has a decent but hardly admirable scoring record, and hasn't lived up to his reputation.

Ask Barca Murph, he knows.

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