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by Kharhaz » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:18 am
hahhahahhahaa the irony isnt lost peewee ! I guess that is the solution though stop giving giving aid and adopt african familys ! think about it, cooking tea when you get home, new football everyday for 10p and washing and ironing done. My doors already open !
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Kharhaz wrote:hahhahahhahaa the irony isnt lost peewee ! I guess that is the solution though stop giving giving aid and adopt african familys ! think about it, cooking tea when you get home, new football everyday for 10p and washing and ironing done. My doors already open !
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by 66-1112520797 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:51 am
Big Niall wrote:BarryBelfast wrote:Kharhaz wrote:I just feel its a great shame that so many people in this country are acknowledging the troubles in africa and trying to do there bit but in reality nothing is happening. Our money isnt going where it should be. Like I stated, we see the small parts of our money going somewhere but the money we are actually raising should have stabalised a majority of Africa and yet its worse off now than it was then (as Greenred pointed out). No money from me next year I want results !
Thats really annoyed me reading that actually.
Our money goes in the right direction but unfortunately is subject to the rules of the country it enters!We as a nation with regulations and taxes must respect other nations and their laws even if they are primative and unfair.
Only a sheltered mind would say that £65million does not make a difference....Of that 65 yes a lot is skimmed off by 3rd world governments to feed fatcats...this is wrong but also a fact of life and the way our wicked world works....That part of it,is out of our hands!
Im not ashamed to say that comic relief made me cry last night...............Watching a WOMAN weep with joy because she had a mosquito net that cost £2.50 that will save her childrens lives from Maleria makes all the tax etc. seem unimportant! Watching Ant and Dec in a tinhut ghetto telling us that a measly £90 can build a toilet for 10,000 people makes me happy!
A.e post that deserves contempt....Perhaps the initial poster should starve himself,loose his mother to AIDs,live in a mudhut with 12 family members and continously have the flu??
A disgraceful post that...
Our money DOES get through,a percentage actually does !What are we to do Stand back and say nothing or do the little we can....Money makes a difference!
I agree with Barry.
If somebody donates £10 and £8 gets stolen then £2 still helps build a well or something in Africa.
As for the poor in Britain/western world - come on mate, there is no comparison in standards.
You're having a bubble mate.
I dont care if I'm in the minority on this one, but I'd sooner keep my hard earn 10 pound note in my pocket and spend it happily on myself. Than loose 8 pound of it to some corrupt C.unt, I dont think thats a very good way to look at things.
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by Sabre » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:04 am
Peewee says
That's a very good point. Some people uses charity to appease his guilt
Bamaga man is right about the corruption, but doing nothing seems not the better option. Pressing more the government, keep some charity, keep track of where our money goes, and several other options are good and necessary.
ok i am joking here, of course they wont do that. I find it admirable that people give to charity when i wont even give money to beggars in the street (and believe there arelots in bangkok). but I always have the belief that by giving people charity allows them to take responsibility away from themsselves or their elected governments.
That's a very good point. Some people uses charity to appease his guilt
Bamaga man is right about the corruption, but doing nothing seems not the better option. Pressing more the government, keep some charity, keep track of where our money goes, and several other options are good and necessary.
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by The Manhattan Project » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:45 am
My suggestions for helping Africa are as follows. It's basically a form of colonialism, but I fear without guidance, these African countries have no hope in hell of progressing. The West through the UN have got to take responsibility for all this:
1- Ending the conflicts in Africa. Without this, nothing else can be done.
2- Conditional aid. The governments are far too corrupt. Uniform constitutions have adopted across Africa with strict limitations on power to prevent abuses. If they don't adopt these conditional agreements, they don't get aid. If they refuse to cooperate, they get nothing, the assets of the leaders are frozen and embargoes and sanctions placed on them. Healthcare workers and charity aidworkers can still enter the nation to help the general population, under armed guard.
3- Development of infrastructure. A colossal program of development must take place. Roads have to be built, railways created, clean water systems and sanitation systems have to be put in place, a continent-wide process of "cleansing" essentially has to happen to make the rivers and waters clean and safe and to control the natural environments where diseases grow. Essentially what they did when before the Panama Canal was built. Vermin control is vitally important. Hospitals are essential, well-equipped and clean. A process of building homes and refurbishing cities has to be undertaken, to replace the disease-ridden shacks and slums that exist in the Third World.
4- Organisation of resources. Famines can be controlled by setting up a system where farming processes can be carried out across the continent to provide food. A strong efficient distribution system has to be set up to ensure that food reaches population centers. Desalination plants have to be established to provide a clean water supply for the entire continent. Pipelines and irrigation systems have to be created. Oil and mineral wealth has to be managed properly to ensure that the profits from the trade of these resources are invested back into Africa.
5- Education. This is vitally important. It has to be a "Pan-Africa" plan. Getting children from a very early age into a rigid organised educational process. Teach them English which should become the common language of Africa, along with perhaps French. Basic skills along with teaching them about the dangers of HIV/AIDS transmission is essential. Along with teaching them about civics and how to govern their countries properly. Business and economic education is required too. What's essential is to reduce the influence of local churches and their native tribal cultures which are one of the causes of the spread of diseases such as HIV (they are given dubious and incorrect information regarding transmission, preventative methods, contraception etc...). An example of this would be the President Of Gambia, who apparently has found a cure for HIV.
6- Borders. One of the biggest mistakes of the colonial era, other than giving Africans independence before they were ready was the process of drawing meaningless borders on maps. Many of the "nations" of Africa are tribal in nature and do not recognise the borders you see on a Western map. That's why different enemy tribes often find themselves in the same country and they fight to take control of the government and the resources of the country. Redrawing the borders along tribal lines may be a good step. Although eventually, with the aforementioned education programmes, we can dissolve those tribal cultures in favour of pan-Africanism (common bonds between formerly enemy tribes).
7- Order. All African armed forces and police forces would be trained and unified under a common command to create a continent wide "peacekeeping-force" who would maintain law and order across the continent. Minimum weaponary only. No jets, no tanks, no machine guns, except in limited numbers to control heavily armed threat forces (such as rebels, terrorists etc...). Tribes would police themselves, in order to avoid inter-tribal conflicts. The continent-wide force would be under the authority of the continental government, to avoid being used for abusive purposes by national leaders. All militias outside this peacekeeping force would be considered threats and enemies.
8- Union. Common institutions have to be established. A continent-wide government should be created to coordinate matters between African nations. A common currency would be phased in to encourage continent-wide trade. A common body of law should be established and enforced strictly.
Now all of this will help, rather than just tossing money at Africa and doing nothing to solve the real problems. It will be an enormous process, but it will at least be something to work towards. It will give the development of Africa a constructive direction to head in.
1- Ending the conflicts in Africa. Without this, nothing else can be done.
2- Conditional aid. The governments are far too corrupt. Uniform constitutions have adopted across Africa with strict limitations on power to prevent abuses. If they don't adopt these conditional agreements, they don't get aid. If they refuse to cooperate, they get nothing, the assets of the leaders are frozen and embargoes and sanctions placed on them. Healthcare workers and charity aidworkers can still enter the nation to help the general population, under armed guard.
3- Development of infrastructure. A colossal program of development must take place. Roads have to be built, railways created, clean water systems and sanitation systems have to be put in place, a continent-wide process of "cleansing" essentially has to happen to make the rivers and waters clean and safe and to control the natural environments where diseases grow. Essentially what they did when before the Panama Canal was built. Vermin control is vitally important. Hospitals are essential, well-equipped and clean. A process of building homes and refurbishing cities has to be undertaken, to replace the disease-ridden shacks and slums that exist in the Third World.
4- Organisation of resources. Famines can be controlled by setting up a system where farming processes can be carried out across the continent to provide food. A strong efficient distribution system has to be set up to ensure that food reaches population centers. Desalination plants have to be established to provide a clean water supply for the entire continent. Pipelines and irrigation systems have to be created. Oil and mineral wealth has to be managed properly to ensure that the profits from the trade of these resources are invested back into Africa.
5- Education. This is vitally important. It has to be a "Pan-Africa" plan. Getting children from a very early age into a rigid organised educational process. Teach them English which should become the common language of Africa, along with perhaps French. Basic skills along with teaching them about the dangers of HIV/AIDS transmission is essential. Along with teaching them about civics and how to govern their countries properly. Business and economic education is required too. What's essential is to reduce the influence of local churches and their native tribal cultures which are one of the causes of the spread of diseases such as HIV (they are given dubious and incorrect information regarding transmission, preventative methods, contraception etc...). An example of this would be the President Of Gambia, who apparently has found a cure for HIV.
6- Borders. One of the biggest mistakes of the colonial era, other than giving Africans independence before they were ready was the process of drawing meaningless borders on maps. Many of the "nations" of Africa are tribal in nature and do not recognise the borders you see on a Western map. That's why different enemy tribes often find themselves in the same country and they fight to take control of the government and the resources of the country. Redrawing the borders along tribal lines may be a good step. Although eventually, with the aforementioned education programmes, we can dissolve those tribal cultures in favour of pan-Africanism (common bonds between formerly enemy tribes).
7- Order. All African armed forces and police forces would be trained and unified under a common command to create a continent wide "peacekeeping-force" who would maintain law and order across the continent. Minimum weaponary only. No jets, no tanks, no machine guns, except in limited numbers to control heavily armed threat forces (such as rebels, terrorists etc...). Tribes would police themselves, in order to avoid inter-tribal conflicts. The continent-wide force would be under the authority of the continental government, to avoid being used for abusive purposes by national leaders. All militias outside this peacekeeping force would be considered threats and enemies.
8- Union. Common institutions have to be established. A continent-wide government should be created to coordinate matters between African nations. A common currency would be phased in to encourage continent-wide trade. A common body of law should be established and enforced strictly.
Now all of this will help, rather than just tossing money at Africa and doing nothing to solve the real problems. It will be an enormous process, but it will at least be something to work towards. It will give the development of Africa a constructive direction to head in.
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by 112-1077774096 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:50 am
so basically what i said but a little more in depth 
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by Homebooby » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:19 pm
Bamaga man wrote:BarryBelfast wrote:Bamaga man wrote:That money would be put in better use at Home (UK) Raise it for the National health service, or abused kids etc. We always do these comic relief things every year which is a good idea. Didnt Bill gates donate 40 billion to wiping out diseases related in and around Africa and the world. I think charity needs to start at home and raise theses funds for our own people also.
So its OK to spend billions on the olympic shi.te?
£125 per head for each living UK resident?Excluding all the dole sponging refugees that drive taxis!Id rather my money hit Africa than the East of London....
I didnt mention the olympics Barry, and even still their taxes paid by the British public to the government. Its upto our government what they do with it really. For me personally I'd rather see our taxes go towards anything thats good for the British economy.
Comic relief is a fund raiser a totally different use of money, which in theory is a lovely idea. To help the "needy", I wonder how many other first world countries donate the amounts the British do EVERY year ?
A few African countires had there debts wiped by the EU didnt they ?
We've been donating for almost two decades if not longer any more. The donations run easily into the Billions I reckon and yet you still here things like ' if we could just get good clean drinking water to these people, their lives would be so much better' FFS ! What have they done in all this time, its the 21st centuary and it doesnt seem much improvements been made. Its time for their own governments to address these issues.
I'd guarentee you if half these nations were still under the British empire, or any other coloney these problems would of well and truly been iradicated by now.
I've read the posts up until here with amazement at the views expressed.
We're talking about a huge country that is completely devastated and expected a few 100 million to resolve the issue. This coming from a 'leading' nation that has pumped an extra 57 billion into its' own health service in the last 10 years with little visible difference in performance, even with all the skills, education and managerial ability that we have in the country.
Yes, there is corruption, but it doesn't mean that none of the money is getting through, or not needed. Of course it is. To see that you could build a school for a whole village by just staying in one weekend should humble you to your very soul...let's not even get into what it costs to follow a premiership side.
What I read into the films that they were showing was that they were trying to get across that the initial crisis was keeping people alive. They have succeeded in that mostly...now the next stage is to educate and have them able to support themselves. This doesn't happen in a measly 20 years, it is generations of work and you should be ashamed of yourselves for turning your back on them.
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by 112-1077774096 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:25 pm
Homebooby wrote:you should be ashamed of yourselves for turning your back on them.
no i shouldnt, i have no guilt whatsoever about this and nothing you or anyone else says will change that, i worry about my parents health, i worry about my niece growing up, i worry about my family, why should i worry about some starving people?
i didnt cause it and i know i cant control it so to tell me I should be ashamed is bang out of order.
why dont you do what i suggest earlier if you feel so strongly, open you door to them, or go and live there and work on aid programmes, or does your involvemnet just extend to a couple of quid to eae your guilt?
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by Ace Ventura » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:32 pm
Homebooby wrote:I've read the posts up until here with amazement at the views expressed.
We're talking about a huge country that is completely devastated and expected a few 100 million to resolve the issue. This coming from a 'leading' nation that has pumped an extra 57 billion into its' own health service in the last 10 years with little visible difference in performance, even with all the skills, education and managerial ability that we have in the country.
Yes, there is corruption, but it doesn't mean that none of the money is getting through, or not needed. Of course it is. To see that you could build a school for a whole village by just staying in one weekend should humble you to your very soul...let's not even get into what it costs to follow a premiership side.
What I read into the films that they were showing was that they were trying to get across that the initial crisis was keeping people alive. They have succeeded in that mostly...now the next stage is to educate and have them able to support themselves. This doesn't happen in a measly 20 years, it is generations of work and you should be ashamed of yourselves for turning your back on them.
So what are your feelings on the african men/women that have 6 children, cant afford to feed them who then still keep having more and more despite the obvious fact that they cant feed them and there is little aid ?
I am reading through this thread with interest and one common thing that a few have said is that people need to also help themselves, giving handouts can encourage laziness (might not be the best choice of words) but what i mean is these countries and its inhabitants need to take some form of responsibility and start helping themselves as well.
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by Roger Red Hat » Wed Mar 21, 2007 1:54 pm
disgraceful. I dont give to charity anymore. probably not the right attitude to employ but I just feel cheated. a lady came to my door last year asking for the envelope she posted through 2 days earlier. I told her I didn't want to contribute. She then asked for the empty envelope back. I told her I didn't know where it was and I'd probably binned it. She went nuts!
"Why have you thrown it away? it didn't belong to you, it belonged to me. "
"Err, no actually it was on my carpet in my hall way so it's err... mine."
"why dont you want to give to charity, how would you feel if a loved one of your had a fatal disease?"
" off my land you silly bitch" and shut the the door.
I will now NOT give to charity.
Also, ever wondered how Geldof has got so rich? I mean, he's fking minted up to the eyeballs! How? he had one hit record with the Boomtown Tw@ts, which was pretty sh!t, and suddenly he's a multi millionaire? How?
I'll tell you how... BAND AID, LIVE AID or whatever. creamed the top off it just like they do in Africa.
Suggestion : Lake Africa. sink the sh!thole but make sure scruffy Geldoff is over there.
"Why have you thrown it away? it didn't belong to you, it belonged to me. "
"Err, no actually it was on my carpet in my hall way so it's err... mine."
"why dont you want to give to charity, how would you feel if a loved one of your had a fatal disease?"
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off my land you silly bitch" and shut the the door.I will now NOT give to charity.
Also, ever wondered how Geldof has got so rich? I mean, he's fking minted up to the eyeballs! How? he had one hit record with the Boomtown Tw@ts, which was pretty sh!t, and suddenly he's a multi millionaire? How?
I'll tell you how... BAND AID, LIVE AID or whatever. creamed the top off it just like they do in Africa.
Suggestion : Lake Africa. sink the sh!thole but make sure scruffy Geldoff is over there.
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by 112-1077774096 » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:21 pm
Ace Ventura wrote:By the way how funny was 500 miles with Potter and andy pipkin
I was p!ssing meself
as if by magic
potter and pipkin
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by Ace Ventura » Wed Mar 21, 2007 2:40 pm
peewee wrote:Ace Ventura wrote:By the way how funny was 500 miles with Potter and andy pipkin
I was p!ssing meself
as if by magic
potter and pipkin
Cant view anything in work off youtube cos of our filter system
Downloaded the song onto my ipod the other day though, class it is
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by Sabre » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:00 pm
Filter system eh?
Well, let's test how lazy are the IT guys at your work
Give it a shot
Put the youtube adress in that box, and tell me what happens
Well, let's test how lazy are the IT guys at your work
Give it a shot
Put the youtube adress in that box, and tell me what happens
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by Ace Ventura » Wed Mar 21, 2007 3:32 pm
Sabre wrote:Filter system eh?
Well, let's test how lazy are the IT guys at your work
Give it a shot
Put the youtube adress in that box, and tell me what happens
Think it might be working its just trying to load now.
If it works your a genius mate.
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