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by **red37** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 6:49 pm

Bad Bob wrote:Well, I certainly disagree 100% with the notion that Rafa's not the man to lead us to league glory. For me, the key evidence against that idea has already been presented: our record points haul last season. Clearly he got to grips with the league last season.

The response to that point seems to be "what has he done for us lately?" But, to me, there's no logic in that response. First of all, it's too soon. We haven't even gotten through a whole season yet so how can we meaningfully compare this season to last? We'd want to know that last season was the abberation not this one right? Otherwise, we'd be bombing out a top-notch manager on the basis of one disappointing 3-month spell...hardly the Liverpool way.

Second, this approach could be applied right down the line. Sure, Gerrard was phenomenal for us last season but he's been well below par this season. Must not really have come to grips with how to play in the Premiership, right? Carragher's been short on form, too. Maybe it's time he walked away? The argument just doesn't make sense. The quality with these lads is there for all to see and Rafa's no different. You don't get shut of your best people on the basis of what, in reality, is a short-term run of disappointing results.

I'm sorry, mate. I understand the disappointment, the frustration and the feeling of helplessness. I do. But, if you can't see what a gem we have in Rafa, I think the problem lies with your expectations more than with his management style.

well balanced response mate

by **Leonmc0708** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:03 pm

Lionheart wrote:I know I'll get slammed and flamed for this but I think there is no alternative but for Rafa to go. He can't be enjoying himself and he must be begging for the quiet life in Spain or Italy (in comparrison to England).

Rafa just can't seem to come to terms with the English game. He's fine for the Europe matches but be it the pace or intensity of the English game, he just can't seem to manage it. I don't believe it's a lack of playing personnel as the Liverpool lineup is something another coach would drool over.

While the away game scenario is becoming quite comical if it wasn't so depressing and humiliating. Heaven knows how the players, and Rafa, must be feeling.

Don't get me wrong, I think Rafa is a brilliant tactician but not at the English game.

I think we need an English coach or at least someone with a proven English record.

You are either clueless or a MANC.

by **joko** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:14 pm

lionheart, mate, i used to respect you for your decent posts
but this one makes me disappointed

we had difficulties last season but we ended up with some trophies added to our cupboards. this season, we are also having difficulties but we finishing the group leader of the CL competition and just climbing at 4th at EPL. next season we WILL be having difficulties as well. but which club won't in the world? this season hasn't even finished mate. this season is the first chance of rafa going on with the players of he really want. last season he still doing adding and getting rid of some deadwoods. this season is just the beginning never mind the cups collected at the meanwhile.

by **Smeg** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:15 pm

by **peterc1992** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:45 pm

off with urself,he is one of the smartest and best managers in the world,and i hate this,

whats ur :censored:

say on today :censored:

game u

,hes won the european cup,the fa cup,the community shield and the super cup in 2 years ,

unbelievable manager:blues:

by **Reg** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 7:47 pm

Today's result when all seem to agree was a magnificent performance, demonstrates the inconsistancy of this team which gets banged back onto the manager.

When players play mediocre, are the players to blame or the manager? In my short 43 years as a Liverpool fan the bigger problem for me has been the players attitude and consistancy not the manager's.

by **kop11** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:53 pm

dont make me laugh!!

by **madred** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 8:59 pm

I reckon Lionheart will be sorry he started this topic now?

by **Kash_Mountain** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:02 pm

Lionheart wrote:I know I'll get slammed and flamed for this but I think there is no alternative but for Rafa to go. He can't be enjoying himself and he must be begging for the quiet life in Spain or Italy (in comparrison to England).

Lionheart, he might not be enjoying himself but in a job like this you just get on with it. When times are not good, it can make one more determined to succeed.

Believe me, Rafa will succeed here.

by **peterc1992** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:29 pm

I think lionheart has lost alot of respect from fellow posters here

by **Gerrard30391** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 9:54 pm

Thats an embarrasment to liverpool fc.

I think you need to look at the premier league and find out for yourself that these days, no fixture is easy.

Ok, maybe pennant hasn't sparkled like his price tag may suggest, Stevie G might not be on top form (but playing him out ouf position doesnt help!) but thats no reason to sack rafa just coz hes playin a player out of position.

A 4-0 win today will change the tide. Lets just see where we are in may!

YNWA

by **el_stinger** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 10:57 pm

I hope you come back Lionheart and say that it was someone else who got onto your account and posted that up, or you were on some mad crack when you created this topic.

The fact is that there IS no alternative to the best manager we have had in many, many years.

I don't think you have lost credibility on this forum. It was just a p1ss poor comment on the eve of an important game.

Now let's get back to a real thread!

by **66-1120597113** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:00 pm

Leonmc0708 wrote:
Lionheart wrote:I know I'll get slammed and flamed for this but I think there is no alternative but for Rafa to go. He can't be enjoying himself and he must be begging for the quiet life in Spain or Italy (in comparrison to England).

Rafa just can't seem to come to terms with the English game. He's fine for the Europe matches but be it the pace or intensity of the English game, he just can't seem to manage it. I don't believe it's a lack of playing personnel as the Liverpool lineup is something another coach would drool over.

While the away game scenario is becoming quite comical if it wasn't so depressing and humiliating. Heaven knows how the players, and Rafa, must be feeling.

Don't get me wrong, I think Rafa is a brilliant tactician but not at the English game.

I think we need an English coach or at least someone with a proven English record.

You are either clueless or a MANC.

Maybe clueless and a Manc!

by **Effes** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:18 pm

Ciggy wrote:Lionheart is not the first to say this and wont be the last.
My parents season ticket holders followed Liverpool everywhere for a few decades, they say the same, and Ive heard quite a few people say it they are scousers are they wrong aswell? Not that Rafa has to go but he hasnt got to grips with english football yet.

I dont agree with them but they make valid points at times, that Rafa has still yet to get to grips with the prem.
But we done fine last season so it quashes that argument but when we are still playing European slow football in the league this season we are not going to win many games playing this way.

So whats changed
The new personel not good enough?
The rotation at the start of the season?
Are we missing Hamann that much even in the dressing room?
What is glaringly obvious is we are carrying to many passengers the same type of passengers that have been shipped out when they wernt up to the job in hand and no doubt if pennant or Garcia dont find their form they will go in the same direction.

I think the manager and the players are both to blame for this dip in form, the big problem we have as fans and Rafa has as the manager was winning that Number 5.

Expectations have been raised for everyone the expectation for more of the same, we thought we would dominate the league but we havent yet, we are far superior in Europe here in lies the problem we need to balance the two and be a force in England aswell as in the Champions League so questions will be asked why we are not.

Ciggy, I was gonna say the same til I saw your post.

Rafa deserves more time and has earned more time .... BUT....

There ARE paople out there ( die hard reds) who wonder whether Rafa has what it takes in the Prem.

BUT.. they dont go far as to say sack him.. which is right.

We shouldn't get too bogged down about Rafa's league record. He needs time.

There are also many people whohave said that his LFC career is mirroring Houllier's.
It's too soon.

EVERYONE STOP PANNICKING!!

by **red37** » Sat Dec 02, 2006 11:36 pm

peterc1992 wrote:I think lionheart has lost alot of respect from fellow posters here

not from me he hasnt....even withstanding the dubious nature of his post, the fella deserves a voice - hell we all overreact at times.

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