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by **Amit We** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:14 pm

or maybe ,IstanBuL-FenerBaHce, you can tell us about the feelings millions of israeli residents who wakes up to the sound of rockets falling in their cities, or about the moms worried for their sons, or about the feelings of a family losing her dad after a suicide bomber decided to explode in the resturant he was eating at.
To refresh your memory,Hizbollah kiddnaped 2 soldiers for no reason- There was no attack on Lebanon what so ever, after the kiddnaping, Hizbollah fired rockets to Israel, again, after no attack from Israel.
The IDF tried to hit only things that Hizbollah uses, and if some of the civilians of Lebanon got hurt, well- it's the price of the war. Maybe you don't know, but a few days ago more than 10 israeli soldiers were killed in attack of Hizbollah. This attack,as many others, happend when the terrorists wore civilians clothes and shot from houses on isrelis passing by.

In my opinion,the israeli attack is justified, and you can not tell how it is to live in Israel, so you don't have the right to judge us.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:17 pm

Aren’t uniformed soldiers voluntary members of war? Don’t they choose to put the uniform on?

by **REVOL** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:17 pm

Ain't it funny that we're being double standard by history's most brutal depressurs and mass murderers:The English,the Turks and the Arabs?

A word of advice to you all:if you live in a house made of glass,don't throw stones...

The situation in The middle east is much complex than any of you would ever understand...Learn the history first and then judge.

by **Big Niall** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:25 pm

An honest question.

Israel is hated by most of its neighbours. When Israel kills civilians, hatred towards it grows and more "terrorists" are recruited, to kill these Israel need to kill civilians too which breeds more hatred.

What is your REALISTIC solution - and don't say that all the others should all disarm and all publicly accept Israel BEFORE Israel will do anything - as that won't happen.

Are you happy that your great grandchildren will probably be fighting the same war as you?

by **Amit We** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:39 pm

Big Niall wrote:An honest question.

Israel is hated by most of its neighbours. When Israel kills civilians, hatred towards it grows and more "terrorists" are recruited, to kill these Israel need to kill civilians too which breeds more hatred.

What is your REALISTIC solution - and don't say that all the others should all disarm and all publicly accept Israel BEFORE Israel will do anything - as that won't happen.

Are you happy that your great grandchildren will probably be fighting the same war as you?

I don't the perfect solution of ,course, but I know that the first step towards it should be a change in the mentality of the countries around.
Arabs cant keep thinking that teror is the tool for reaching their goals and must understand that Israel is there to stay.
Changing the menatality is a very complicated thing, sure, there are too many things to change.Do you all know that the palastinies have in the elementry school books that teach them to hate Israel? Books that mention one of the Islam(it's not racism, we all know that the arabs around Israel are muslems) basics, the Jihad?(=a "holy war" which goal is to make everyone muslem)
Israel kept ignoting all the trorist attacks(suicide bombers, rockets that were fired from Gaza, soldiers kiddanping[not this specifiec kiddnaps, there were more]) so in this attack everything Israel ever tolerated was out- and I bet most of you know it's justified.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:40 pm

Amit We wrote:
Big Niall wrote:An honest question.

Israel is hated by most of its neighbours. When Israel kills civilians, hatred towards it grows and more "terrorists" are recruited, to kill these Israel need to kill civilians too which breeds more hatred.

What is your REALISTIC solution - and don't say that all the others should all disarm and all publicly accept Israel BEFORE Israel will do anything - as that won't happen.

Are you happy that your great grandchildren will probably be fighting the same war as you?

I don't the perfect solution of ,course, but I know that the first step towards it should be a change in the mentality of the countries around.
Arabs cant keep thinking that teror is the tool for reaching their goals and must understand that Israel is there to stay.
Changing the menatality is a very complicated thing, sure, there are too many things to change.Do you all know that the palastinies have in the elementry school books that teach them to hate Israel? Books that mention one of the Islam(it's not racism, we all know that the arabs around Israel are muslems) basics, the Jihad?(=a "holy war" which goal is to make everyone muslem)
Israel kept ignoting all the trorist attacks(suicide bombers, rockets that were fired from Gaza, soldiers kiddanping[not this specifiec kiddnaps, there were more]) so in this attack everything Israel ever tolerated was out- and I bet most of you know it's justified.

So how do you change their mentality, through your current actions?

by **IstanBuL-FenerBaHce** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:42 pm

Amit We wrote:or maybe ,IstanBuL-FenerBaHce, you can tell us about the feelings millions of israeli residents who wakes up to the sound of rockets falling in their cities, or about the moms worried for their sons, or about the feelings of a family losing her dad after a suicide bomber decided to explode in the resturant he was eating at.
To refresh your memory,Hizbollah kiddnaped 2 soldiers for no reason- There was no attack on Lebanon what so ever, after the kiddnaping, Hizbollah fired rockets to Israel, again, after no attack from Israel.
The IDF tried to hit only things that Hizbollah uses, and if some of the civilians of Lebanon got hurt, well- it's the price of the war. Maybe you don't know, but a few days ago more than 10 israeli soldiers were killed in attack of Hizbollah. This attack,as many others, happend when the terrorists wore civilians clothes and shot from houses on isrelis passing by.

In my opinion,the israeli attack is justified, and you can not tell how it is to live in Israel, so you don't have the right to judge us.

First of all, THANKS for your sensitive and calm comments.

As we talked here before, i name Hizballah as "terrorists" too. They DID attacks in Turkey too, and MY FATHER was wounded lightly two or three years ago by a Hizballah attack.

But, if i can example it on Turkey, we have a Kurdish terror group(PKK) doing suicide bombings, missile or face-to-face attacks too. But we've never bombed Kurdish cities in Turkey or even in Iraq or Syria. We have never killed Kurdish children or women.

Thats all what i try to explain too. With EVERY terror attacks to Israel, Israel begins to bombing cities (without aim any target-they tell they have targets but there are always civilians who are dead - not Hizballah leaders) with automatic planes and long ranged missiles, demolish civil buildings with tanks...

Im so disturbed to see child faces in bloods every day, in Pelstinan, Lebanon or Israel...In my neighbours...

by **REVOL** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:43 pm

we Israelies hate this situation,we want to live peacefuly as any other nation.All we ever wanted is to come back to our historical homeland and reunite with our brothers from around the world and that the people of the region will benfit from it.

we are the most haunted people in the history...we have lost 6,000,000 jews in the holocaust.we have been fighting for our lives in a war that we never wanted in the first place.so what do you think?after 2,000 years of persecutions.would you like to go to a war?further more when you are sorounded by enemies who dislikes you and wants to kill you and you are outnumberd by them?

we want Peace..we want it so bad....we want it so bad that we are ready to give up parts of our state in order that for the first time in history,the Palestinian pepole will have his own state.

but what you don't understand is that this is no fight between jews and arabs or Islam and judaism..this is a fight between the western world and a fanatic preceptions that rules out everything that isn't muslim or arabic.

They say that they are ready to send theyr'e children instead of the rockets..

so my friends,in the end,you are on our side of the map...and London,Paris and madrid are they're targets...

i just hope that this :censored:

will end and we will be able to live with our neighbours,our cousins in a blossoming region.

Peace,Shalom,salam.

by **The Red Baron** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:50 pm

Amit We wrote:Arabs cant keep thinking that teror is the tool for reaching their goals and must understand that Israel is there to stay.

my thoughts exactly.

by **Amit We** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 5:53 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:
Amit We wrote:
Big Niall wrote:An honest question.

Israel is hated by most of its neighbours. When Israel kills civilians, hatred towards it grows and more "terrorists" are recruited, to kill these Israel need to kill civilians too which breeds more hatred.

What is your REALISTIC solution - and don't say that all the others should all disarm and all publicly accept Israel BEFORE Israel will do anything - as that won't happen.

Are you happy that your great grandchildren will probably be fighting the same war as you?

I don't the perfect solution of ,course, but I know that the first step towards it should be a change in the mentality of the countries around.
Arabs cant keep thinking that teror is the tool for reaching their goals and must understand that Israel is there to stay.
Changing the menatality is a very complicated thing, sure, there are too many things to change.Do you all know that the palastinies have in the elementry school books that teach them to hate Israel? Books that mention one of the Islam(it's not racism, we all know that the arabs around Israel are muslems) basics, the Jihad?(=a "holy war" which goal is to make everyone muslem)
Israel kept ignoting all the trorist attacks(suicide bombers, rockets that were fired from Gaza, soldiers kiddanping[not this specifiec kiddnaps, there were more]) so in this attack everything Israel ever tolerated was out- and I bet most of you know it's justified.

So how do you change their mentality, through your current actions?

not directly, but this action hopefully make hizbollah understand that teror isn't the way,

israel's govermen and army both declared that the war will stop when the 2 kiddnaped soldiers would be returned, is it such a big demand?

to IstanBuL-FenerBaHce:
you cant just take the situation in Turkey and compare it to Israel. From what I know the kurdish don't attack you in order to get you completely away from this area, and if they do then it's exactly like the situation between Israel and palastines.
Israel DOES NOT aim their bombs on civilians, but like in every war- it happens.

by **Cool Hand Luke** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:00 pm

Amit We wrote:
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
Amit We wrote:
Big Niall wrote:An honest question.

Israel is hated by most of its neighbours. When Israel kills civilians, hatred towards it grows and more "terrorists" are recruited, to kill these Israel need to kill civilians too which breeds more hatred.

What is your REALISTIC solution - and don't say that all the others should all disarm and all publicly accept Israel BEFORE Israel will do anything - as that won't happen.

Are you happy that your great grandchildren will probably be fighting the same war as you?

I don't the perfect solution of ,course, but I know that the first step towards it should be a change in the mentality of the countries around.
Arabs cant keep thinking that teror is the tool for reaching their goals and must understand that Israel is there to stay.
Changing the menatality is a very complicated thing, sure, there are too many things to change.Do you all know that the palastinies have in the elementry school books that teach them to hate Israel? Books that mention one of the Islam(it's not racism, we all know that the arabs around Israel are muslems) basics, the Jihad?(=a "holy war" which goal is to make everyone muslem)
Israel kept ignoting all the trorist attacks(suicide bombers, rockets that were fired from Gaza, soldiers kiddanping[not this specifiec kiddnaps, there were more]) so in this attack everything Israel ever tolerated was out- and I bet most of you know it's justified.

So how do you change their mentality, through your current actions?

not directly, but this action hopefully make hizbollah understand that teror isn't the way,

israel's govermen and army both declared that the war will stop when the 2 kiddnaped soldiers would be returned, is it such a big demand?

to IstanBuL-FenerBaHce:
you cant just take the situation in Turkey and compare it to Israel. From what I know the kurdish don't attack you in order to get you completely away from this area, and if they do then it's exactly like the situation between Israel and palastines.
Israel DOES NOT aim their bombs on civilians, but like in every war- it happens.

So you genuinely believe your actions will not further intensify these groups and create more people willing to fight Israel, and instead change the ways of Hizbullah?

by **Amit We** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:08 pm

Cool Hand Luke wrote:
Amit We wrote:
Cool Hand Luke wrote:
Amit We wrote:
Big Niall wrote:An honest question.

Israel is hated by most of its neighbours. When Israel kills civilians, hatred towards it grows and more "terrorists" are recruited, to kill these Israel need to kill civilians too which breeds more hatred.

What is your REALISTIC solution - and don't say that all the others should all disarm and all publicly accept Israel BEFORE Israel will do anything - as that won't happen.

Are you happy that your great grandchildren will probably be fighting the same war as you?

I don't the perfect solution of ,course, but I know that the first step towards it should be a change in the mentality of the countries around.
Arabs cant keep thinking that teror is the tool for reaching their goals and must understand that Israel is there to stay.
Changing the menatality is a very complicated thing, sure, there are too many things to change.Do you all know that the palastinies have in the elementry school books that teach them to hate Israel? Books that mention one of the Islam(it's not racism, we all know that the arabs around Israel are muslems) basics, the Jihad?(=a "holy war" which goal is to make everyone muslem)
Israel kept ignoting all the trorist attacks(suicide bombers, rockets that were fired from Gaza, soldiers kiddanping[not this specifiec kiddnaps, there were more]) so in this attack everything Israel ever tolerated was out- and I bet most of you know it's justified.

So how do you change their mentality, through your current actions?

not directly, but this action hopefully make hizbollah understand that teror isn't the way,

israel's govermen and army both declared that the war will stop when the 2 kiddnaped soldiers would be returned, is it such a big demand?

to IstanBuL-FenerBaHce:
you cant just take the situation in Turkey and compare it to Israel. From what I know the kurdish don't attack you in order to get you completely away from this area, and if they do then it's exactly like the situation between Israel and palastines.
Israel DOES NOT aim their bombs on civilians, but like in every war- it happens.

So you genuinely believe your actions will not further intensify these groups and create more people willing to fight Israel, and instead change the ways of Hizbullah?

absolutly.

the one who uses violence against others, won't understand a thing but violence

by **REVOL** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:10 pm

These people have been fighting us since the 1920's...way before they even knew that there's a thing called Israel or Palestine..way before the Hizballah or the Hamas were founded....they just don't want any western influence in the middle east(but they do love the western money though).

btw:they still claim that The british are responsible for this and it was a big jewish-british conspiracy.

You are asking me to understand a crazy way of thinking...Beside,The jihad concept is an old concept.they used to do suicide attacks against the crusaders,when they came to the land of Israel.it's what they call the Takfir(a fight against all heretics).

by **IstanBuL-FenerBaHce** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:17 pm

REVOL wrote:btw:they still claim that The british are responsible for this and it was a big jewish-british conspiracy.

Not British, people all over the world know that its a big jewish-american conspiracy !!

by **REVOL** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 6:20 pm

Let me ask you one thing:If the IRA would have started firing missiles on cities in England,Or the welsh people will start a roit and say:we are occupied by the english for the past 1,000 years and now we will kill all that is english!..what would you do?...

but there is one big difference:we have never occupied the palestinians,since there has never been a palestinian state...(and don't get me started about the origins of the "palestinian people")
and we are the first nation how is ready to give them theyre own free state....

so what would you do?while Manchester and Liverpool,London and birmingham are being bombarded and welsh suicide bombers attack in every corner of the street,Killing innocent english under the most false pretences...would you sitt down in vain?....

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