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by **woof woof !** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:35 pm

Good Stuff Anni .

Can only add . that in addition to warnings from his own spy network Stalin, prior to Operation Barbarossa (the german attack on russia) was repeatedly warned by the British of Germanys intentions but apparently chose to ignore those warnings . Many military analysts ascribe the astonshing early German success in the campaign to the fact that the officer class of the Red Army had been decimated in earlier years by Stalins paranoia . Thousands executed and thousands more sent to the gulags . Many were eventually repatriated back to the army when Stalins fear over defeat grew bigger than his paranoia .

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 6:43 pm

Bman wrote:New war ?

Well err yer seen as Beirut has had peace for 15 years I would say its pretty new.

by **Sabre** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 8:13 pm

Bollox ! Don't know what books you've been reading but Stalin is well documented as one of historys most evil dictators and his crimes and atrocities against his own people have in fact racked up more newsprint than any other of his ilk .

For the record , Britain and later the US, allied with Stalin as it was a case of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" . At the end of WW2 leading political and military figures (particularly churchill and the american general Patton) saw Communist Russian State as the next enemy and considered (albeit briefly) military action against them.

Correct about Stalin.

And that's why Spain had a right winged dictator until 1975. Eisenhower "Ike", Churchill and Europe preffered a right winged dictator in Spain rather than the danger of a communist country in a strategic location. If the international community wanted to, Franco wouldn't have been in power after the WW2.

Metalhead, you should be proud when you read this, a political thread and it hasn't been closed yet . Best wishes for you, mate.

by **kazza 1** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:01 pm

I hate war ( I have lived with it most of my life). I agree with everything that has been said on here. Just think how many wars there have been since 1900 to 2006...............

Mexican Revolution 1911 - 1913
Pacification of Nicaragua 1912 - 1913
Interventions in Mexico 1914 - 1917
Pacification of Haiti/ Dominican Rep 1915 - 1918
World War I 1914 - 1918
Russian Civil War 1918 - 1927
World War II 1939 -1945
Korean War 1950 - 1953
Vietnam 1947 - 1972 (I was surprised at this one. Did not know that it lasted that long.
Hostage rescue mission Iran 1980
Lebanon (peacekeeping mission) 1982 - 1984
Grenada 1983
Panama 1989
Somalia (peacekeeping misssion) 1992 - 1994
Desert Storm 1990 - 1991
Operation Iraqi Freedom 2003 - to present day

And now this one...
This is not counting what has happened in Northern Ireland. There was 37,508,686 men women and children killed in WW I alone. That includes everyone on Both sides, PoWs and those still missing. (RIP)
I just think that we have lowered ourselves to a level that we THINK we are allowed to take another persons life in the name of someone else.

by **kazza 1** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:01 pm

Sorry people!!! I posted the same thing twice :laugh:

by **48-1119859832** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 9:06 pm

kazza 1 wrote:I hate war ( I have lived with it most of my life). I agree with everything that has been said on here. Just think how many wars there have been since 1900 to 2006...............

Mexican Revolution 1911 - 1913
Pacification of Nicaragua 1912 - 1913
Interventions in Mexico 1914 - 1917
Pacification of Haiti/ Dominican Rep 1915 - 1918
World War I 1914 - 1918
Russian Civil War 1918 - 1927
World War II 1939 -1945
Korean War 1950 - 1953
Vietnam 1947 - 1972 (I was surprised at this one. Did not
it lasted that long)
Hostage rescue mission Iran 1980
Lebanon (peacekeeping mission) 1982 - 1984
Grenada 1983
Panama 1989
Somalia (peacekeeping misssion) 1992 - 1994
Desert Storm 1990 - 1991
Operation Iraqi Freedom 2003 - to present day

And now this one...
This is not counting what has happened in Northern Ireland. There was 37,508,686 men women and children killed in WW I alone. That includes everyone on Both sides, PoWs and those still missing. (RIP)
I just think that we have lowered ourselves to a level that we THINK we are allowed to take another persons life in the name of someone else.

I'd go as far as saying the U.S.A with it's bullying tactics and it's bad habit of interfering in other countries politics as well as ramming their constitution down people's throats have caused 70% of the wars you have listed.

by **Bman** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:40 pm

Ciggy wrote:
Bman wrote:New war ?

Well err yer seen as Beirut has had peace for 15 years I would say its pretty new.

Well err, I think that war (Israel-Palestine) has been going on more or less since 1947 after the British mandate. So if you call that new then yes your right.
There has always beem tension and unreast in the middle-east and its been an ongoing war for years. Its not until heavy war like attacks take place people satrt to sit up and take notice.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:19 pm

Bman wrote:I wouldnt say thats pretty new.

Well I would seen as its not Palistine its Beirut now.
I am not clued up on the middle east issues TBH, just from news and reading is, the Jews want to live in Isreal the Palistianians say its their landetc etc.
But at the end of the day its all down to religion and religion is feckin cr@p as far as I am concerned.
And im fed up with it, there is no GOD there is no ALLAH, I wish people would just wake up and realise its just bullsh1t brainwashing.

If there was a God why do so so many tradgidies happen on this earth?
Why?
God is supposed to be good and nice and doesnt let bad things happen.
Murders, Peadofiles :angry:

, terrorists,mother nature causing thousands of deaths each year.
Pathetic we where all born through sex thats it, I have a son I had sex he was born thats it he is no miracle of god or allah, it does my head in that people want to kill each other cause they are not catholic, prodistant, jewish, muslim.

Get a grip praying to allah 24/7 in the middleeast when most parts of that region live in the pits bombed out houses or on the street, have no work or work for pitance, no food, no money.
But thank Allah hey he's great look what he's done for us think I'll go and blow a bus up cause he has done so many great things for me even though I dont have a roof over my head.
Im catholic used to go to church a lot, but the night before my 21st birthday when I had a really big party organised, my mum had a supermarket, we left the shop at 6 on the way to pick up this suit Id got made, the next thing smash, bang smash. silence...............

I woke up, wheres me mum? looked theres my mum infront of my squashed to death a volvo estate had hit us, got rushed to whiston hospital, ruined a wedding that was going on in the resturant we had crashed into, the brides dresswas full of blood.

I remember waking up around 9 in that hospital wheres me mum, she's ok luv, the nurse said I went crazy, wheres my mum screamin for her I thought she was dead.

I started smoking that night Id never touched a ciggie in my life, they sadated me cause I was going ballistic for me mum, next mornin 8'o clock I got an op to remove the glass, still no mum......

Woke up around 5 loads of family round the bed,no mum where is she, she's ok girl, she's ok they where saying, I was supposed to be having this big party that night in a club, but instead I was in whiston hossie not knowing if my mum was dead or alive, my mums sister and my cousin was also in the car that night.

I carried on so much that they took me to see her, well I was glad they did, but on the other hand I didnt want to see my lovely mum this way.

She had broken her back in 7 places, it took the firemen 3 hours to cut her out, she had a fractured skull, two broken ankles and broken ribs her face was black, her arms where black, she was not my mum in that bed but she was still breathing.

The worst thing was we lived with my poor old nan who had heard about the car crash on the radio cause no family member could tell her.
The poor dear came up she wasnt a softie she was a bit of an awl hard knock me nan was, she said keep yer chin up girl, she was kissing and hugging me mum this woman had never shown any affection in her life, it broke my heart.

I came home 2 weeks later me mum stayed in hospital for 6 onths then in a wheel chair.

I know Ive rambled on to much but the moral of the story is, is there is no God, there is no Allah because if you people actually exsisted you would not put people, through so much pain, so much heatache, so many unpleasantries in life.
Your just a big kunt if you do exsist but I dont believe you do and if you do you are not god you are the Devil.

BTW Ive never stepped foot in church since our accident only when Ive had to for christenings or weddings.
So theres what I think of this religous bullsh1t.

People need to move on its the 21st century,

by **48-1119859832** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:35 pm

I agree with you Ciggy, finally.

I suggest you ditch The Cure for something much more happier like The Magic Numbers.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:39 pm

0asis wrote:I suggest you ditch The Cure for something much more happier like The Magic Numbers.

Im not a Goth, Goths stink so do emo's sad :down:

by **48-1119859832** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:43 pm

Ciggy wrote:
0asis wrote:I suggest you ditch The Cure for something much more happier like The Magic Numbers.

Im not a Goth, Goths stink so do emo's sad

I agree, altho I must say I like a bit of Smiths now and again, but yes all this My Chemical Romance (Emo) that is ruining the music industry, however this has nothing to do with the topic, I was just having a joke with you.

I was thinking to myself today, I wonder if some historians did a survey on how many wars are started due to religion what the statistic would be. I haven't got a problem with people being religious, that's their choice, I just believe it does more harm than good and Darwin explained how me came about and evolved, so there is little need for religion in my eyes.

by **Ciggy** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 11:53 pm

0asis wrote:Darwin explained how me came about and evolved, so there is little need for religion in my eyes.

Exactly what about the poor bloody dinosaurs wiped out by a meterorite :angry:

watched a very interesting program on the Sci-fi channel how they dissapeard from the earth and it wasnt through religion :angry:

Bring back the Dinosaurs they rock :buttrock

by **Bman** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 12:29 am

Well I'm so sorry to hear that and quite frankly, well no whole heartedly I agree with what you say about religion. Its true religion is supposed to be about peace and love etc. But in todays world it has the opposite effect

I'm not religious thank God

but I also agree if there was a God why does he let such terrible things take place on earth.

This too was the reason I queried the 'new war' thing, call me ignorant but the middle-east has always been a war-zone and TBH it gets on my nerves with these constant wars and situations, not just in the middle-east but the world in general, its a sorry state of affairs.

by **laza** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 2:36 am

woof woof ! wrote:
Judge wrote:aye dawson, and it was the JEWISH population who suffered there.

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Lets not forget the 20 million russians . Always suprises me that whenever ww2 is mentioned the suffering of the Jews is readily mentioned whilst the russians who lost 3 times as many are hardly mentioned . They russians may not have been gassed but millions were worked literally to death and millions of others were casually exterminated where they stood by the Waffen SS .

Good point
It also surprises me thousands of other undesirables who died in the camps never really get mention either. Gypos, homosexuals, trade unionists, pacifists, priests, retarded. Maybe as they suffered as well they can go out carry mini Oradour sur glanes to anyone they consider a threat or in retatilation like Israelis

by **account deleted by request** » Sat Jul 15, 2006 4:47 am

Sorry you had such a horrible experience Ciggy. The truth like you say is there is no god, and religion has always been used as a weapon of war. Its easier to get people to risk their lives for Paradise/Heaven than for a dark hole in the ground. Religious fanatics fight harder and take more risks than some poor bloke who just wants to get home in one piece. Why should it matter to anyone what someone else believes in? If you want to believe in the Easter Bunny should I shoot you cos I believe in Father Christmas? The Nazi's in World War 2 had "god is with us" on their belt buckles as they were gassing the Jews,retarded,communists,gyppos etc.
There is no god, no easter bunny, no one is going to wave a magic wand and make everything better. All we have is each other, so we should try to treat people with respect and friendship, and stop killing people just because they look, think or live their lives differently than we think they should.

here endeth the sermon

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