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by **metalhead** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:02 am

Kopite-Jud wrote:excelent in the air morientes but all we do from set piece is aim for crouch who aint thee best in the air so that takes him out of what he does best . <------- i used a fullstop JBG

I disagree with you about crouch not strong in the air, he is excellent! he wins alot of ariel battles but he can't head the ball to the net thats all

by **Kopite-Jud** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:07 am

crouch good in the air only coz he is 6 ft 7 and well taller than every 1 else. how is he good at attaking the ball with his head in any way ? hav u seen him put and power into any headers he has won ? all his headers are like cusioned bak passes to his own keeper

by **galo** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:08 am

Not that your coach is gonna read this, and I might even be wrong, but if you want to beat us, playing with Fowler (from what I've seen in the games against Benfica and Charlton he might have been a great player but now he sucks) and Crouch upfront will only make our life easier, our central defenders are tall (Luisão is almost Crouch's height) and don't have any problems with balls from the air, with those two you won't create much chances.

The player that scares me the most is Cissé. If Liverpool starts playing very fast you might create chances, but if all you're gonna do is throw balls to the area (which is basically most of your attack from what I've seen, plus some shots from outside of the box) you won't be very sucessful in my opinion.

by **metalhead** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:09 am

Kopite-Jud wrote:crouch good in the air only coz he is 6 ft 7 and well taller than every 1 else. how is he good at attaking the ball with his head in any way ? hav u seen him put and power into any headers he has won ? all his headers are like cusioned bak passes to his own keeper

i just said he can't head the ball to the net, but he is excellent for winning the balls in the air and that makes him a good battler in ariel battle and hard to defend against. If he can work with weights a little bit albiet that he would become a very strong striker scoring goals using his head.

by **metalhead** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:10 am

galo wrote:Not that your coach is gonna read this, and I might even be wrong, but if you want to beat us, playing with Fowler (from what I've seen in the games against Benfica and Charlton he might have been a great player but now he sucks) and Crouch upfront will only make our life easier, our central defenders are tall (Luisão is almost Crouch's height) and don't have any problems with balls from the air, with those two you won't create much chances.

The player that scares me the most is Cissé. If Liverpool starts playing very fast you might create chances, but if all you're gonna do is throw balls to the area (which is basically most of your attack from what I've seen, plus some shots from outside of the box) you won't be very sucessful in my opinion.

Fowler can cut through your defenders blind folded

by **Kopite-Jud** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:11 am

couldnt agree more mate we need 2 work the ball into and around the box and not hit long balls and hope

by **Kopite-Jud** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:18 am

yes fowler can cut defence open BUT we dont use him to his strengths because wen we keep hitting long balls to crouch
Hyypia ----------------------------------------------> o Crouch
this takes fowler out the game wen we have got 2 of the best passers in the prem alonso and gerrard which we could calve the defence open with 1 pass 2 fowler but it never happens thats why none of our strikers are scoring .
you watch a match that involves crouch all we do is hit longs balls forward and i don't know about you but its begining 2 bore me when we do this . we still cut teams apart and have 20 odd shots but when crouch came off the pitch against charlton and alonso cud have slipped the ball through tho robbie we cud have had 3 points in the bag

by **metalhead** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:24 am

Kopite-Jud wrote:yes fowler can cut defence open BUT we dont use him to his strengths because wen we keep hitting long balls to crouch
Hyypia ----------------------------------------------> o Crouch
this takes fowler out the game wen we have got 2 of the best passers in the prem alonso and gerrard which we could calve the defence open with 1 pass 2 fowler but it never happens thats why none of our strikers are scoring .
you watch a match that involves crouch all we do is hit longs balls forward and i don't know about you but its begining 2 bore me when we do this . we still cut teams apart and have 20 odd shots but when crouch came off the pitch against charlton and alonso cud have slipped the ball through tho robbie we cud have had 3 points in the bag

i was trying to mess with the benfica fan mate

i don't think we are playing alot of long balls at home, mostly away so we can use crouch to hold up the ball more and let our midfield go forward

by **Lando_Griffin** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:20 am

solja_slim wrote:Griffin,he'd probably sign you an autogragh if he doesnt kick you out of his office for wasting his time.

This is a summary what i would advise him:

Agger and kromkamp cant play..

Use 4-4-2

----------------reina-------------------
finnan----carra------hyppia-------riise
----------------alonso-------------------
garcia-----------stevie------------harry
----------crouch--------cisse------

subs:dudek,traore,hamann,fowler,morrientes,warnock and Anderson

If hyppia isnt fit,traore plays...he did ok on saturday.
When Garcia tires or doesnt perform...he's just from an injury...bring on hamman and push SG or cisse on the right depending on there performances on there current positions.

***Thats already a cool 2 hours explaining the team and tactics and we aint finished yet ***

I see.

And your advice is the real match clincher is it?

I mean - how good of you to point out to him that Kromkamp and Agger are cup-tied. I just know both would have played without that pearl of wisdom!!!

by **Silver** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:47 am

This realy a good question.
If I been asked such that question my answer will be :
We should play with an attacking forme 4 4 2 as:
Finan,Caragher,Hyppia and Rise in the back
LuisGarsia ,Gerard ,Alonso and Kewel in the middle
Crouch and Cisse or Morientes in front
We can use Haman and Fowler as second period sub.

Good Luck

by **masterraj** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:01 am

Get an early goal and dont sit back once we get one, or two for that matter. Attack attack attack 3-0 then shut up shop.
I would play cisse up front with crouch although he has been great out on the right when he plays there. I dont know how anyone can say he hasnt played well on the right, easily beating players and great crosses that strikers should be getting on the end of.
Couldnt we just keep cisse as our right winger?

by **Bretc** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:44 am

I would tell Rafa that we still have 90 min to overturn the 1-0 deficit, so just play the normal game but the tempo must be fast and furious - like how we started against Juve at home last season. Grab the 1st goal as early as possible to settle our nerves and then play a controlled game to get the 2nd or even 3rd goal. My suggested lineup would be:

- Reina

- Finnan
- Hyypia
- Carra
- Riise

- Luis Garcia
- Gerrard
- Alonso
- Kewell

- Cisse
- Crouch

I'm not a fan of Cisse cos he's rubbish and he can't score BUT he has got pace to burn, something which none of the other strikers have. His pace might offer us another option in attack. If we can utilise the pace of Cisse down the right flank, LG and Gerrard can then exploit the space thru the centre. With so limited options in attack and flair, this is what i can think of, besides hoping for some magic from LG & Kewell and as usual the superhuman effort of our captain. Finally, of cos I pray that our strikers will put on their scoring boots!

by **primodua** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:30 am

I would say the first 60 or 70 minutes will be the fatal or victory factor of the game.
Benfica will need one more goal within the timeframe to kill off the game and will chickens.hitly defend themselves for the rest of the game.

Since we have superior midfield line over benfica and could score goals too, I'd say we play 5 midfileders and one striker (4-5-1)(Crouch or Fowler) during the first half or the first 60 minutes. Gerrard could double up as an auxillary striker on the center or garcia on the right and deflate their defences and attackers, I am pretty sure they will succumb to this pressure and should give us at least one goal.
After the 60th minute, we change the formation back to 4-4-2 with gerrard playing back as the CB switching one midfielder (hamann) with another striker (Crouch or Fowler).
Psychologically Benfica would have to defend deeper and when they do, that is when they are going to make mistakes because I believe we could get more chances when they defend deeper as defending is not one of Benfica greatest attribute.

That's my 2 cents opinion

by **115-1139928290** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:53 am

I will try to respond to some comments in this one post:

RUSHIE#9 wrote:
solja_slim wrote:If hyppia isnt fit,traore plays...he did ok on saturday.

Yeah and Bruno Cheyrou WAS the new Cantona & Zidane and was just unlucky whilst at liverpool.

All you'd get from Rafa with advice like that is and the door slammed in yer face.

When sami was injured on saturday against charlton,Traore was pushed as centre back and he played rather well.
I was surprised myself that Ager was not brought in,but Traore played hip part perfectly.
If it had been any other player who had played as he did,then you'd all probably be touting him as the much sought after successor to hyppia.

Leonmc0708 wrote:
Lando_Griffin wrote:I'd work at Anfield for free, nevermind £1000 per hour. I'd clean the sh*tters for a season ticket!

Mate I would lose a limb for the pleasure.

are you saying you are so incompetent that you'd anything for a freebie token?
Or are you suggesting you are so loyal to the club that you would offer your services for free?
It must be the former cuz the most loyal supporters of LFC are intelligent(SG,Carra,Parry,Official site admins etc) enough to get paid for the services they may offer the club and they are the same ones who PAY to go to games,buy merchandize etc cuz simply put... we all depend on each other.

metalhead wrote:I wouldn't give him any advice because i trust his tactics! He is the experienced manager not me, so i'll say Good luck and make us proud

Its good to be honest and say that you cannot offer anything... saves time BUT you had an opportunity to make money and at the same time help your beloved club and you did nothing.
All top proffessionals or firms hire other top professionals or firms in the same line of businness for consultation perposes...like a law firm consulting with a lawyer from another firm...or an IT company hiring a consultant in a specilized IT field...so i think it the same may be happening in football where managers consult other managers/soccer proffesionals when faced with a unique situation.

Anyway how many times do you think you might get an oppotunity like this? :no

by **MASTER** » Tue Mar 07, 2006 1:02 pm

drop morientes and sell him in the summer to the highest bidder
buy the YAK from boro as he's proved hes premier class in his 3 years in this country 50 goals in 2and a half seasons for no hopers twice as powerful as crouch and with a barrel load of pace.
buy routledge from spurs english, quick, right footed winger young and on loan because spurs are mental.
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