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by **parchpea** » Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:02 pm

Benitez made Liverpool into champs league winners not beacuse of Houllier but inspite of him. He got the absolute maximum from the group of footballers he left behind. It was nothing short of a miracle. He took this bunch to a level that was the stuff of dreams, not only for us, but the players and GH himself.

by **Fernando Morientes > 19 <** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:37 am

We should not forget the treble who lead liverpool to. He might be slated by some including me sometimes but we should not forget he is the one who got liverpool on track, i.e, started winning trophies again. I can remember that before his reign as manager we had gone through a long period without a major honour(Trophy)

by **AussieKopite** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:28 am

Fernando Morientes > 19 < wrote:We should not forget the treble who lead liverpool to. He might be slated by some including me sometimes but we should not forget he is the one who got liverpool on track, i.e, started winning trophies again. I can remember that before his reign as manager we had gone through a long period without a major honour(Trophy)

I'm not trying to be harsh coz I still have respect for Houllier but wasn't that the year he had surgery and Phil Thompson stepped up?

by **jonnymac1979** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:43 am

bavlondon wrote:Credit to him for the treble in 99

Check your dates mate and amend accordingly.

And fast.

by **agoodmentality** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:46 am

Fanny jeffers>£10M,S.Wiltord>£13M areshole wenger is a terrible waster of money is'nt he?
Fergie's spent something like £140M in the last 4 years and still has'nt won the league.
GH spent on average £10M per season, on a squad that has (eventually) won the European cup.

by **neil** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:47 am

After the heart scare that was it ! It totally changed,Thompson did well but when GH came back in in all got a bit tired

by **Fernando Morientes > 19 <** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:48 am

he had surgery in 2002.

by **AussieKopite** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:48 am

I think Wenger has only spent 78mil since he's been with Arsenal so he's not too bad. Also won the Prem.

by **Garymac** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:06 pm

10 million a season on a squad that eventually won the european cup??? Check your facts mate, and stop thanking houllier for are european cup win for fu*k sake, he did win the treble so thank him for that, but the european cup was all benitez's work....He turned a uefa cup quarter finalist team into a champions league winning team with 22 million quid and a lot of hard work, also his top marksman shate on him the day b4 the transfer deadline was over and his replacement was ineligible for the champs league. Give this Houllier lark a rest, u should be loving the fact we have the best manager on the planet.

by **neil** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:53 pm

"he had surgery in 2002" No :censored:

Sherlock

by **agoodmentality** » Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:37 pm

let's not belittle our history, some people in this stream talk as if they are Sun sports reporters, I bet it's these people who wanted the dream ticket of Steve Morgan and Alan Curbishley, no doubt with their "british is best" policy. now this same lot are sipping sangria and dancing the salsa, saying rafa's the man.
you lot make me laugh, we all know GH had to go, but we are LIVERPOOL not fcukin Spurs you muppets.

by **agoodmentality** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:11 pm

allez allez
:blues:

by **Ola Mr Benitez** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:17 pm

agoodmentality wrote:allez allez

Good point... thanks

by **red37** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:39 pm

i posted this before..in a quiet thread!

you have to say one thing...

progress under gerard houllier-- we came closer to the prem title than we did before, or indeed since. we garnered the uefa cup, f.a cup and the league cup in ONE season..not forgetting the super cup and a further league cup triumph etc..

(given the fact too, that he had to first 'tidy-up' after evans).

then, we know the rest.....gerard houllier IMO was on course with his 5 year 'plan'....IF you assess his record 3 years in...

where did it go wrong then?..simple... gerard houllier fell ill.

who can say for certain that we wouldnt have already been premier league champions at least once in the 4 years since houllier reached his zenith? and had he stayed of course... i cant..

but, fates step in and dictated that GH should spend as little time as, economically acceptable, in terms of HIS LIFE...'putting in 110% anymore'...sadly, rightly so.

then, thommo was handed the reigns..and for the sake of repeating that which is already in PRINT...ill stop there.

id say then, that the benchmark to START assessing a new manager can realistically only begin...from about this point. 3 years in.

some never get that long..(look at del bosque?, who imo did nothing wrong... why?? ), i thought he could have been as effective as bob paisley for real madrid............... some get twice as long to work miracles.
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again, to reiterate, this happened (our peak, under GH) after 3 years or so into his tenure, so its fair to say. we owe rafa benitez at least the same amount of rope before the spears are poisoned.

one more point................

gerard houllier became labelled as 'boring' in his negative tactics/selection. in fact the guy was lambasted every time he opened his mouth..in the end.

but you have to argue his case... UNTIL illness intervened at least.

fwiw. though chelsea turned up the power yesterday, and however painful it sounds 'deserved' to win..... they themselves are no where near the team 'most' people imagine them to be. almost, id say 'boring? stifling? long ball?..etc) too right.. even a scruffy dog can have his day!...

and for as much as i can remember seeing, so were valencia MORE than once...YES with better players deployed and YES very effective.. but the difference with valencia cf during their prime, was the ability to switch between INCISIVE and STIFLING both one vis a vie the other... and quickly.

contain then counter attack?... very much the rafa way

in summary..no we are NOT back to the negative days of GH..(at least understand why that was the case though)

what we ARE up against is our own impatience... look when rafa arrived, we were all excited because we'd got rid of boring ged and thommo....we all thought we were going to sign canizares, ayala, aimar and vicente overnight! well we did?...
then, rafa benitez has several headaches to contend with not least the 'jumping ship' of one of the clubs main strikers?? the decimation of his first 11...etc new language...etc..
on top of and despite all that, he only goes and wins the european cup ffs!....NOT 3 years in... HIS FIRST GO with liverpool fc, and what was left of it.
there is the problem staring us in the face.....
if liverpool football club were NOT european champions currently....(aside from yesterday) most of us would have been happy with a draw with man.utd...a point away at 'boro.. we would have been made up with coming from behind at st. andrews...........admit it....................

trouble is, we all now think rafa is on page 60 odd of his 'manual of LFC...and how to work miracles' book.....
(he told me, its only 87 pages long):D.....'in this moment'!!

well he aint...get used to it. what he's shown me imo is enough to know (with the ingredients he has) btw.. that he IS the man to do it... when and how he does it is out of our hands im afraid... and our only input to IF he does it, has to be by supporting the man.

f.uck chelsea, forget them. time,experience, wisdom and money will peg them back...(morgan? right time?)...

its the other 2 we should be aiming for...and for me thats not too big an ask.

by **Ace Ventura** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:39 pm

Everyone knows that his time was up, the last 2 seasons were poor...and i'll be honest it was some of the worst games i have witnessed.
But it would be wrong to totally slate the man, he was successful and appeared on the right track until the surgery and the fateful transfer dealings in the summer of 03, losing Litmanen and Fowler and replacing them with Diouf Cheyrou and Diao cost him his job.
But anyone who says the football we played during the treble season was negative imo is totally wrong...we scored over a hundred goals and i think played some really good football.
We should be thankful we have such a great manager now in Rafa, but we as Liverpool fans (the best in the world) should try and remember the good things Gerard did for our club, because there were plenty.
I hope he is successful at Lyon, he clearly will always have our club in his heart.

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