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Postby 115-1073096938 » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:18 am


A striker's job is to score goals and Fowler in his prime was the most natural finisher since Greaves.

So what if Owen's allround game is better his job is to score goals and he will never be as good as Fowler was at scoring.

I remember you saying that Ferninand was world class and a much better player than Campbell but again a defender's job especially a centre half is not to look good on the ball but defend.

Again Campbell is a much better defender than Ferdinand will ever be.


Fowler was a better goalscorer. I AGREE.

Campbell is the better defender. I AGREE.

HOWEVER, Ferdinand and Owen were the better players. Better players win you more games than specialists. I think  Henchoz was a better DEFENDER than Ferdinand a few seasons ago, but i'd rather have had Rio.

It all adds up, With speciallist individuals its hard to find a system which gets the best out of them. With better players its easier and you will win more games.

A way of discribing it... Ferdinands better on the ball, he's less likely to give a goal away with a sloppy touch or bad pass, he's more likely to play the right pass into midfield which makes the midfields job easier, Owen is more likely to play the right ball into an area which could set up a chance for himself or someone else.

Great players are better than great speciallists, Ferdinand is a world class player, top class defender and superb alround game. Campbell is top class... a world class defender with a decent/average alround game.

Owen is a world class player and a top class goalscorer, Fowler was top class, a superb alround player and was a world class goalscorer.

Example...

Fowler: Goalscoring 10, alround playing(being generous)
Owen: Goalscoring 9, alround play 10...

Ferdinand: Def 9, play 9
Campbell: def 10, play 7

You get my point?
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Postby adayinthelife » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:48 am

stu_the_red wrote:

A striker's job is to score goals and Fowler in his prime was the most natural finisher since Greaves.

So what if Owen's allround game is better his job is to score goals and he will never be as good as Fowler was at scoring.

I remember you saying that Ferninand was world class and a much better player than Campbell but again a defender's job especially a centre half is not to look good on the ball but defend.

Again Campbell is a much better defender than Ferdinand will ever be.


Fowler was a better goalscorer. I AGREE.

Campbell is the better defender. I AGREE.

HOWEVER, Ferdinand and Owen were the better players. Better players win you more games than specialists. I think  Henchoz was a better DEFENDER than Ferdinand a few seasons ago, but i'd rather have had Rio.

It all adds up, With speciallist individuals its hard to find a system which gets the best out of them. With better players its easier and you will win more games.

A way of discribing it... Ferdinands better on the ball, he's less likely to give a goal away with a sloppy touch or bad pass, he's more likely to play the right pass into midfield which makes the midfields job easier, Owen is more likely to play the right ball into an area which could set up a chance for himself or someone else.

Great players are better than great speciallists, Ferdinand is a world class player, top class defender and superb alround game. Campbell is top class... a world class defender with a decent/average alround game.

Owen is a world class player and a top class goalscorer, Fowler was top class, a superb alround player and was a world class goalscorer.

Example...

Fowler: Goalscoring 10, alround playing(being generous)
Owen: Goalscoring 9, alround play 10...

Ferdinand: Def 9, play 9
Campbell: def 10, play 7

You get my point?

I see what you are saying but if it was up to me I would rather Fowler in his prime than Owen.

A striker's job is not to create so once the midfield were doing their job Fowler would score more than Owen.

Again I would prefer Campbell to Ferdinand eveytime as he is IMO a much better defender than Ferdinand and that is what he is paid to do.

There has been many times when Ferdinand has over complicated things on the ball and put his team in trouble whereas Campbell knows his limitations and gives a simple ball to a midfielder.
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Postby vlady16.1 » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:06 am

--sol is the rock -- face it he cleans up the d so well man - anyone would shine beside him

-- fowler was absolutely superb at scoring -- it would be a no-loss situation to bring him back -- can he still play-- hell yeah if he wants to and think of the reception he would get when he debuted-- he might have little left but the crowd may carry him till the end of the year--we owe it to him to give him a shot-- face it , it looks like the bank account is dry so he's the best bet -- he only has an upside and i don't think we'll be able to afford anyone who is significantly better than what we got-- so let's just do it
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:09 am

A striker's job is not to create so once the midfield were doing their job Fowler would score more than Owen.


But Owen would create more for the midfield. It depends how you want to play. Owen's the better footballer. Fowlers the better goalscorer. I'd prefer Fowler's style myself as i like alot of possession and balls into the box (the right ball into the box though) but Owen's a better player and would can play in more than one way.

Better players can give you more variety and more options which is sort of what i'm getting at.
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Postby adayinthelife » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:33 am

stu_the_red wrote:Owen's the better footballer. Fowlers the better goalscorer. I'd prefer Fowler's style myself as i like alot of possession and balls into the box (the right ball into the box though)

I am glad to see I have brought you round to my way of thinking. :laugh:
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:52 am

You haven't :p

I've always prefered Fowler's game. HOWEVER there is no question of who has the most ability as a player imo. :)
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Postby adayinthelife » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:12 am

stu_the_red wrote:You haven't :p

I've always prefered Fowler's game. HOWEVER there is no question of who has the most ability as a player imo. :)

Ability to put the ball in the back of the net is no contest and IMO what really matters when comparing strikers. :cool:
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Postby bigmick » Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:14 am

Irrelavent I know but Fowler at his best was the better player for me. I don't play Championship Manager myself (kinda makes me unique around here it seems) but if we're talking attributes, the only one in which I would rate Owen above Fowler at his best is pace. Before you say it Stu, that doesn't mean I haven't got a clue or that I'm a f****** idiot, or its not because I'm not a scouser or that I don't go to as many games as you, (phew, wipes his forehead in exasperation...), its just that I don't agree with you! 
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Postby 115-1073096938 » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:41 am

Know nothing fool :D
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Postby JBG » Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:52 am

I would also have preferred Fowler (in his prime) although only slightly ahead of Owen.
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Postby JohnBull » Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:00 pm

Doesn't matter if you're talking about players, women or cars - Once you've got rid of one -  NEVER take it back.

It NEVER works.
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Postby JBG » Tue Nov 09, 2004 12:02 pm

Correct Bull.

Look at what happened to Rush when he came back from Italy.
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Postby Sean » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:11 pm

.....or Luther Blissett when he went back to Watford......or Graham Taylor for that matter.
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Postby stmichael » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:22 pm

the fowler of 96-98 and the owen of 1998-2001 would have been the most devastating partnership this club had ever had, even better than toshack and keegan.

if only :down:
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Postby Fowler_E7 » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:44 pm

stmichael wrote:the fowler of 96-98 and the owen of 1998-2001 would have been the most devastating partnership this club had ever had, even better than toshack and keegan.

if only :down:

so true and yet so sad to think about the potential of the partnership
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