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why so serious? why so bitter?
we have seen world class strikers left us and yet we are still standing.
keegan, toshack, fowler, owen, torres and suarez.

Thats why we still havent won the premier league yet . Yes we are still standing but its 1 step front and 2 steps back , ***** cha cha cha . Built and improve on special talent we so far have the privilege to get rather then going back to the reset button .

chriserfolg » Mon Jul 14, 2014 7:06 am wrote:

why so serious? why so bitter?
we have seen world class strikers left us and yet we are still standing.
keegan, toshack, fowler, owen, torres and suarez.

Thats why we still havent won the premier league yet . Yes we are still standing but its 1 step front and 2 steps back , ***** cha cha cha . Built and improve on special talent we so far have the privilege to get rather then going back to the reset button .

Oh yeah because it's really easy to do.

Aside from United. Only three others have won it in the last 15 years, two of which (City and Chelsea) spend a fortune buying a brand new A grade squad and consequently the league. The third (Arsenal) have not won it since the two big money spenders entered the fray.

We will never win it as long as we keep selling our best players.

Why doesn't anyone understand that?

Under Houllier we finished second, Anelka came in and game us another dimension and gave the squad extra quality. Instead of adding him and a few otheres we decided to go for the cheap option then fell away and got nowhere near the league title again.

Under the spaniard we finished second. He then in his wisdom decided to let his ego rule and "fu*ked" off our best pure midfield player and one of the best we've had in a long time as well as failing to replace Hyypia. Funnily enough, after selling two of our best players we went backwards, again and never recovered.

Now under Rodgers, we've again just sold our best player after a phenominal season and finishing second...

The future will most likely be the same as it the past.

The reason we've never won the league is because when we've had class players we've always sold one to buy one. Had we kept Torres, Alonso, Mascherano, Reina and the likes I'm pretty sure we'd have won a couple by now. Instead, we only seem to want to have one class player in the side at a time, which is very odd. My attitutde was always to have as many as possible.

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Stu the Red » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:11 am wrote:We will never win it as long as we keep selling our best players.

Why doesn't anyone understand that?

Under Houllier we finished second, Anelka came in and game us another dimension and gave the squad extra quality. Instead of adding him and a few otheres we decided to go for the cheap option then fell away and got nowhere near the league title again.

Under the spaniard we finished second. He then in his wisdom decided to let his ego rule and "fu*ked" off our best pure midfield player and one of the best we've had in a long time as well as failing to replace Hyypia. Funnily enough, after selling two of our best players we went backwards, again and never recovered.

Now under Rodgers, we've again just sold our best player after a phenominal season and finishing second...


The future will most likely be the same as it the past.

The reason we've never won the league is because when we've had class players we've always sold one to buy one. Had we kept Torres, Alonso, Mascherano, Reina and the likes I'm pretty sure we'd have won a couple by now. Instead, we only seem to want to have one class player in the side at a time, which is very odd. My attitutde was always to have as many as possible.

Yes Houllier made a big mistake in not keeping Anelka but I don't believe it was about going for the cheap option, he went and bought players like Diouf and Diao based on one game at the world cup

Stu the Red » Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:11 am wrote:We will never win it as long as we keep selling our best players.

Why doesn't anyone understand that?

Under Houllier we finished second, Anelka came in and game us another dimension and gave the squad extra quality. Instead of adding him and a few otheres we decided to go for the cheap option then fell away and got nowhere near the league title again.

Under the spaniard we finished second. He then in his wisdom decided to let his ego rule and "fu*ked" off our best pure midfield player and one of the best we've had in a long time as well as failing to replace Hyypia. Funnily enough, after selling two of our best players we went backwards, again and never recovered.

Now under Rodgers, we've again just sold our best player after a phenominal season and finishing second...

The future will most likely be the same as it the past.

The reason we've never won the league is because when we've had class players we've always sold one to buy one. Had we kept Torres, Alonso, Mascherano, Reina and the likes I'm pretty sure we'd have won a couple by now. Instead, we only seem to want to have one class player in the side at a time, which is very odd. My attitutde was always to have as many as possible.

You make it seem like we sell our best players for profit when we actually sell them because they want to leave. I do not think any one of us wanted to profit from Suarez and know we will be weaker without him but if he is determined to leave then the club must move on. It will happen alot when your best players are from different countries and view us as a stepping stone.

kazza » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:18 am wrote:You make it seem like we sell our best players for profit when we actually sell them because they want to leave. I do not think any one of us wanted to profit from Suarez and know we will be weaker without him but if he is determined to leave then the club must move on. It will happen alot when your best players are from different countries and view us as a stepping stone.

Think that's fair comment, with the exception of Reina the quality players that have been sold were sold because it's what they (not we) wanted.

Suarez,Torres,Masherano,Alonso,Arbeloa,Owen etc all wanted out 

Too true Kazza, im not sure what else this club could have done to have kept  Luis Suarez here.
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woof woof ! » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:29 pm wrote:

stmichael » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:45 pm wrote: I see a lot of people saying "we just finished 2nd, we should be pushing on for the title" when the reality is that 2nd was never our expectation before, it just kinda happened.

Hold up St Mike !

Vehemently disagree with your perspective that despite the team coming within a whisker of winning the title we should all now just shrug our shoulders and consider it as a "one off" because it was something we didn't expect anyway.

Certainly the team performed beyond our expectations BUT having shown us what they were really capable of it's not unfair for many of us to begin to dream and consider that with some additions in key positions we could perhaps in the coming season have finally brought the title back to Anfield. The rest of the prem we're sh'tting themselves at the prospect of facing a strengthened Liverpool for the 2014/2015 season.

I firmly believe that if Luis was still on board with the right additions we'd have been champions at the end of the coming season, and no doubt prior to Luis' departure most people in football wouldn't have considered it an unreasonable expectation.

Our stock was high worldwide in 2005, and we went for Crouch, Pepe, Sissoko and Zenden. We also apparently tried for Figo, Simao, Giannikopoulos, Luisao, Solano and Milito. That was after winning the Champions League! Our stock is nowhere near as high right now. We're back in the Champions League after half a decade, in the league with the most competition for the top four places. We don't exactly pay extraordinarily high wages if you're one of the very top draw either.

I don't know what some fans expect. Who are the players that are looking to come? It's the likes of Markovic, Can, Moreno if we can agree a fee. The world class prospects who look at us and see they'd rather be playing every week for Liverpool, than on the bench elsewhere. High stock or not, if you're not a Liverpool fan, there's no obvious attraction to separate us from whole host of clubs who would all be in for the very top players, and those players know they're going to be starting and a star wherever they go.

I think some people here need to calm down and remember how history REALLY played out.

For starters, LFC is not a selling club. Far from it, the likes of Torres, Owen and Suarez left because they want to.

As a club, we fought tooth and nail to keep those three, but all of them f**ked off because we couldn't do anymore. In fact, last summer, we broke new ground to keep Suarez,  with both our manager and owners saying a public 'no'.

Unfortunately, after a while, you have to give in, especially with Suarez .

The guy is a f**king liability and one more daft stunt will see him banned for 12 months. Why take the risk with a bloke who doesn't want to be here?

stmichael » Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:00 pm wrote:

woof woof ! » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:29 pm wrote:

stmichael » Sun Jul 13, 2014 2:45 pm wrote: I see a lot of people saying "we just finished 2nd, we should be pushing on for the title" when the reality is that 2nd was never our expectation before, it just kinda happened.

Hold up St Mike !

Vehemently disagree with your perspective that despite the team coming within a whisker of winning the title we should all now just shrug our shoulders and consider it as a "one off" because it was something we didn't expect anyway.

Certainly the team performed beyond our expectations BUT having shown us what they were really capable of it's not unfair for many of us to begin to dream and consider that with some additions in key positions we could perhaps in the coming season have finally brought the title back to Anfield. The rest of the prem we're sh'tting themselves at the prospect of facing a strengthened Liverpool for the 2014/2015 season.

I firmly believe that if Luis was still on board with the right additions we'd have been champions at the end of the coming season, and no doubt prior to Luis' departure most people in football wouldn't have considered it an unreasonable expectation.

Our stock was high worldwide in 2005, and we went for Crouch, Pepe, Sissoko and Zenden. We also apparently tried for Figo, Simao, Giannikopoulos, Luisao, Solano and Milito. That was after winning the Champions League! Our stock is nowhere near as high right now. We're back in the Champions League after half a decade, in the league with the most competition for the top four places. We don't exactly pay extraordinarily high wages if you're one of the very top draw either.

I don't know what some fans expect. Who are the players that are looking to come? It's the likes of Markovic, Can, Moreno if we can agree a fee. The world class prospects who look at us and see they'd rather be playing every week for Liverpool, than on the bench elsewhere. High stock or not, if you're not a Liverpool fan, there's no obvious attraction to separate us from whole host of clubs who would all be in for the very top players, and those players know they're going to be starting and a star wherever they go.

Nah, sorry I don't buy that mate.
The excuse for not going out and getting any decent players used to be we aren't in the CL.
Looks like the goalposts are on the move again to me.
We are a huge club with a massive fan base and more European cup wins to our name than Barcelona, we play in the wealthiest, most watched league on the planet, we are in the CL and with the Suarez/Sky money we have the best part of £100m burning a hole in our pocket and you are telling me we can't attract some decent players?
I don't buy that at all.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun Jul 13, 2014 5:45 pm wrote:

damjan193 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:08 pm wrote:What has Marco Reus been up to these days? Weren't some members on here saying that he's available for 30 million or something like that? I'd gladly spend 30-40 million on him, he'd be a good replacement for Suarez IMO. A proven goal scoring winger with a good mentality and leadership qualities, just what we need.

Quite a few papers seem to be under the impression that we are going to do a 'Spurs' with the Suarez money and buy a number of players, according to them, expensive high profile targets like Reuss aren't really on our radar.
Given the players we've been linked with recently (Bony, Bertrand, Davies, Rodriguez, Vorm etc) they may be right.

I refuse to believe that Rodgers and his team are that naive. Brendan must know that you can replace quality only with quality. It's not rocket science, it's common sense. I really hope I'm right, and seeing today's rumors linking us with big money players (Reus among others), maybe Brendan will use the money wisely after all.

kazza » Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:18 am wrote:You make it seem like we sell our best players for profit when we actually sell them because they want to leave. I do not think any one of us wanted to profit from Suarez and know we will be weaker without him but if he is determined to leave then the club must move on. It will happen alot when your best players are from different countries and view us as a stepping stone.

Precisely 

We couldn't do anything then and we couldn't do anything now. Best we can do is to properly use the money.

agree yakka.
we are without doubt one of the top 10 clubs in the world, CL football or not. we finished 2nd, reached our CL goal and have serious money available to sign quality players, money we might not have again for sometime, until the time comes to sell sterling anyway  .
some people have this myth also about these young stars getting mega money at other clubs when that isnt the case. i read an article the other day about the bundesliga and how the wage bill typically represents 35% of the clubs income where as in england its typically in the mid to high 60's. those clubs in the bundesliga dont get an equal share of tv money either so therefore they must be getting serious, serious sponsorship elsewhere if they are only spending that percentage. i also read that reus is on 65k which isnt a lot for a top player and surely with suarez's wage gone we can afford to sign him and give him 120k. he's a top player and the fact that the club's baffled at our reported interest says it all about the type of players we want.
the players we want are currently what we are getting 
one of rodgers strong traits is that he seems to be able to get a lot out of average so hopefully he has done his homework proper this time. we cannot spend 100 mil in a window and still be moaning or excusing the fact we lost suarez and the bulk of it cannot be sitting on the bench either.

At least Aspas is leaving....

On loan.....

27 year old on Fuc'kin loan that we paid 8 million for, another superb bit of business from the transfer genius himself.  Unless we sign a marquee attacking player a centre back and a fullback we are fuc'ked