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by **Kukilon** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 1:40 pm

NESW has done one great thing and that is to "save" us from Twitt and Twatt but we shouldn't fool ourselves that this was done with kindness of their hearts. They are in it for the money which is not that bad but in the same sense as we gave these money grubbers the go ahead we lost our only chance of us ourselves owning our club. Now it will be to expensive and the only say we have is to vote with our wallets and not give them our money.

I haven't spent a single dime on merchandise and other things since Rafa left the club and I will continue do so until I'm happy with what I see.

by **The Raven** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 3:19 pm

Are we really going down this road again?

We will never own the club, its worth way to much money. I dont like FSG, im not sure on BR but i do love LFC so i will support the CLUB if that means i buy a shirt every year and get to 10 or so games then i will do it.

Im not stupid enough to think things will change without MONEY. Money has to come from people like us

by **devaney** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:32 pm

Basil » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:24 am wrote:The owners wouldn't have sanctioned £35M for Carroll if it was a normal pre-agreed valuation for that amount. It was far from normal but the late over inflated transfer of Torres resulted in a stroppy, past his best Torres being sold right at the end of the window and a promising young English international striker coming in along with £15M and a saving of perhaps £50K a week in wages. People's opinion on Carroll seems to vary but it wasn't such bad business as some people make out.

Allen wasn't bought on the success of his statistics. He was bought by a manager who worked with him for several years and knew he could play the system the manager was trying to introduce at his new club.

Do we really know enough about the selection process of our new manager to judge it as bizarre ? Rodgers has been coaching for about 20 years so his experience is far from limited, perhaps at the very top level but he probably has a lot more experience than Shankly who struggled for the first couple of years, old purple nose struggled for a lot longer than that.

A team will always struggle with a new system, especially when trying to do it with financial restraints imposed because of the mismanagement of the previous owners. It's no good reacting to individual performances or results, I realise that the half season position is not good enough but what would it look like if Dempsey and Sturridge had come in last summer as planned ?

Let's wait and see who we sign in January and where we finish in the league before judging the manager and owners.

by **devaney** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 5:38 pm

devaney » Sat Dec 29, 2012 4:32 pm wrote:
Basil » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:24 am wrote:The owners wouldn't have sanctioned £35M for Carroll if it was a normal pre-agreed valuation for that amount. It was far from normal but the late over inflated transfer of Torres resulted in a stroppy, past his best Torres being sold right at the end of the window and a promising young English international striker coming in along with £15M and a saving of perhaps £50K a week in wages. People's opinion on Carroll seems to vary but it wasn't such bad business as some people make out.

Allen wasn't bought on the success of his statistics. He was bought by a manager who worked with him for several years and knew he could play the system the manager was trying to introduce at his new club.

Do we really know enough about the selection process of our new manager to judge it as bizarre ? Rodgers has been coaching for about 20 years so his experience is far from limited, perhaps at the very top level but he probably has a lot more experience than Shankly who struggled for the first couple of years, old purple nose struggled for a lot longer than that.

A team will always struggle with a new system, especially when trying to do it with financial restraints imposed because of the mismanagement of the previous owners. It's no good reacting to individual performances or results, I realise that the half season position is not good enough but what would it look like if Dempsey and Sturridge had come in last summer as planned ?

Let's wait and see who we sign in January and where we finish in the league before judging the manager and owners.

Suggest you have a look at this if you believe that BR experience isn't limited: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Rodgers

As for Allen whatever the reasons were for buying him look decidedly questionable.

As for the selection process of BR it was embarrassingly public and absurdly bizarre.

by **Basil** » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:16 pm

So, Brendan had about 11 years coaching at Reading before Jose Mourinho personally appointed him as the Chelsea youth team manager for 2 years and then 2 years as the Chelsea reserve team manager. He then had a year at Watford and a disappointing 6 months at Reading before taking over at Swansea, getting them into the premier league and then finishing 11th in their debut season. He also spent time studying coaching skills at various top European clubs.

He's not won trophies with a top club but I wouldn't call it limited experience, I would say he's had a good grounding, got good ideas and has the potential to become a very successful coach.

I think Allen will grow with this team to become an immportant member of the team but only time will tell.

FSG kept the selection process pretty quiet and we don't even know who the real candidates were, the papers even had to rely on Dave Whelan's version of events.

We've all got our opinions, some people back the manager until the bitter end and some appear a bit quick to jump in and criticise. I think with all the change we've had over the last couple of years, we need some stability and support and give them at least a year or two to see some improvement.

by **devaney** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 9:43 am

Basil » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:16 pm wrote:So, Brendan had about 11 years coaching at Reading before Jose Mourinho personally appointed him as the Chelsea youth team manager for 2 years and then 2 years as the Chelsea reserve team manager. He then had a year at Watford and a disappointing 6 months at Reading before taking over at Swansea, getting them into the premier league and then finishing 11th in their debut season. He also spent time studying coaching skills at various top European clubs.

He's not won trophies with a top club but I wouldn't call it limited experience, I would say he's had a good grounding, got good ideas and has the potential to become a very successful coach.

I think Allen will grow with this team to become an immportant member of the team but only time will tell.

FSG kept the selection process pretty quiet and we don't even know who the real candidates were, the papers even had to rely on Dave Whelan's version of events.

We've all got our opinions, some people back the manager until the bitter end and some appear a bit quick to jump in and criticise. I think with all the change we've had over the last couple of years, we need some stability and support and give them at least a year or two to see some improvement.

Call it a good grounding. Postulate that BR has potential. At the end of the day BR has spent most of his 19 years coaching with very average players and below average clubs. BR may turn out to be very successful but that does not get away from the point that his appointment was a massive gamble given his lack of top flight management experience which is the point that I'm trying to make. I'm not all doom and gloom but it is very difficult to simply ignore FSG's performance to date.

by **Kukilon** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:11 pm

It pisses me off that not to Long ago we played teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid and totally humiliating them. Now we fallen Into mediocraty hoping for points against teams like QPR

by **Boxscarf** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:24 pm

Kukilon » Sun Dec 30, 2012 2:11 pm wrote:It pisses me off that not to Long ago we played teams like Barcelona and Real Madrid and totally humiliating them. Now we fallen Into mediocraty hoping for points against teams like QPR

That's what happens when a chairman who was head of our club for nearly two decades decides to shaft us for a quick fire sale. The reason we are in this mess is because of David Moores further made worse by Hicks and Gillett, Rafa, Purslow, Broughton, Hodgson, Fenway Sports Group, Kenny Dalglish and Damien Comolli.

by **Simari** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:16 pm

Hindsight is always 20/20.

by **Boxscarf** » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:42 pm

Simari » Sun Dec 30, 2012 7:16 pm wrote:Hindsight is always 20/20.

There was plenty of information about Hicks and Gillett had Moores bothered to research the people he was selling the club to.

George Gillett was previously declared bankrupt on two occasions.

Tom Hicks brought Corinthians football club and nearly destroyed it. He changed their crest and added a sponsor on their shirt which spat in the face of the club's heritage, he sold transfer rights to the club's best players, promised a new 45,000 seater stadium. He then had them in grave financial problems before selling the club to MSI who in turn were unable to reverse the damage of Hicks's ownership and were relegated for the first time in their history just ten months after Hicks and Gillett swept into Anfield. All the information on these two people were available and widely available to Moores. But Moores being the cretin he is, either didn't research or if he did, didn't care and sold the club to the highest bidder. I remember a few years ago when he tried to justify the sale of the club to the Americans, nowhere did he ever apologise for his mistake, no he will never apologise and I hope the fella ends up penniless for what he's done to this football club.

by **alwayslfc** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:19 pm

The thick heads of FSG must realise we aren't going anywhere without heavy investment. They must realise that in today PL, owners have to spend heavily, otherwise your club will just be another one of many to gift points to the rich clubs like Chelsea, City, Manure to qualify for CL. They want to spend on young players with resale value, this sounds perfect but only to a grey haired, bespectacled chartered accountant but not to the club's success in winning trophies and qualifying for CL. Look at manure, do they have this stupid policy? They signed 29 year old RVP (doesn't look like much resale value after 3 years) and the guy is scoring in virtually every match. Why can't our owners see that? Do they have only 1 brain cell working? Does anyone agree with me? No ridicule/sarcastic comments please.

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:53 pm

alwayslfc » Mon Dec 31, 2012 1:19 pm wrote:The thick heads of FSG must realise we aren't going anywhere without heavy investment. They must realise that in today PL, owners have to spend heavily, otherwise your club will just be another one of many to gift points to the rich clubs like Chelsea, City, Manure to qualify for CL. They want to spend on young players with resale value, this sounds perfect but only to a grey haired, bespectacled chartered accountant but not to the club's success in winning trophies and qualifying for CL. Look at manure, do they have this stupid policy? They signed 29 year old RVP (doesn't look like much resale value after 3 years) and the guy is scoring in virtually every match. Why can't our owners see that? Do they have only 1 brain cell working? Does anyone agree with me? No ridicule/sarcastic comments please.

i dont know why you think you are going to be ridiculed, what you say is spot on imo.
fsg are here to make money not to win trophies, that was made pretty clear at the end of last season when ayre said kenny would have went even if he would have won the f.a cup too. to win both domestic trophies in one season would have been a tremendous feat (no other manager in our 120 year history managed to do it, not even the true greats like tom bob paisley and bill shankly) but because there`s no real money in the domestic cups fsg arent interested.
all the american owners who have come into the prem have been hard nosed businessmen, they havent grown up in a football mad country like practically everyone else in the world so they dont have that romantic attachment to the game.
say what you want about the likes of abramovitch and the sheiks at city but they are in the game to win things, not to milk the supporters.
rodgers has drawn the short straw in getting the liverpool job, he`s the man thats been given the task of turning us into an everton or a spurs, the days when liverpool and united stood out as the two giants of english football are gone, in business speak we are `downsizing`

by **Boxscarf** » Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:37 pm

There will come a time when Liverpool supporters will start to become incredibly unhappy with Fenway Sports Group, some of our supporters need to go onto a Boston Red Sox forum and see what those fans have to say about Fenway Sports Group. They may have won 2 championships and have had a major stadium redevelopment, but their fans are deeply unsatisfied with Fenway Sports Group.

To me they're just as bad as Hicks and Gillett, they're going to bring this club crashing to its knees, because they are not willing to do what is necessary to get this club back into the upper echelons of English and European football. We've been a mid-table team for the past three-and-a-half years and I just cannot see that changing anytime soon. You cannot own a football club like Liverpool without needing to invest your own money into the club. You don't have to go OTT like Abramovich or Monsur have done at their clubs, but you need to dip your hand in the pocket, even if it is for just £6m to sign Clint Dempsey.

I can see us finishing lower than last season's 8th place this season and whilst the players and the manager must take their share of responsibility, so must Fenway Sports Group for not backing 'their man' from the get go.

To me Fenway Sports Group are just unfit to own a club as Abramovich and Monsur are, their penny-pinching policies will drag this club into the abyss.

by **alwayslfc** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:02 am

Boxscarf » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:37 pm wrote:There will come a time when Liverpool supporters will start to become incredibly unhappy with Fenway Sports Group, some of our supporters need to go onto a Boston Red Sox forum and see what those fans have to say about Fenway Sports Group. They may have won 2 championships and have had a major stadium redevelopment, but their fans are deeply unsatisfied with Fenway Sports Group.

To me they're just as bad as Hicks and Gillett, they're going to bring this club crashing to its knees, because they are not willing to do what is necessary to get this club back into the upper echelons of English and European football. We've been a mid-table team for the past three-and-a-half years and I just cannot see that changing anytime soon. You cannot own a football club like Liverpool without needing to invest your own money into the club. You don't have to go OTT like Abramovich or Monsur have done at their clubs, but you need to dip your hand in the pocket, even if it is for just £6m to sign Clint Dempsey.

I can see us finishing lower than last season's 8th place this season and whilst the players and the manager must take their share of responsibility, so must Fenway Sports Group for not backing 'their man' from the get go.

To me Fenway Sports Group are just unfit to own a club as Abramovich and Monsur are, their penny-pinching policies will drag this club into the abyss.

Well said Boxcarf. Stupid FSG must realise in today's PL era owners unlike the old First Division era play an essential role in the success of the club. I hope to see fans come out to demonstrate against such incompetent and stingy owners soon to force them to sell to a new owner who is willing to invest.

If they're are ONLY here to make money and do not have ambition to win the PL, then they are not qualify to be Liverpool owners, period.

by **dundreamin** » Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:02 am

Houllier won both cups and a UEFA cup in 2001ffs

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