Liverpool FC Forum

maguskwt » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:58 pm wrote:the apparent lack of or hesitation on spending by NESV can be blamed on our failures with Carroll, Henderson, Downing and Adam...

Getting rid of Aquilani, trying to sell Carroll etc.. and anyother surviving high salary player togethr with the unwillingness to splash big cash to bring in players suggests to me the club is trying to get its finance back in order to build a new stadium.  (or renovate Anfield, whichever way, its a cashflow issue and we need to restructure our finances).

Personally I think the new owners are doing a great job.

ahhh yeah but Reg, they haven't come along on the first moring of the transfer window opening and spunked £100 million on top signings. we're into August and a few rumours are on the table but that wont keep the cretins happy. They want to spend spend spend and get all the big names. then when we're bankrupt and relegated it'll all be Rodgers fault and those pesky new owners.

we're dealing with some d!ckheads on here mate that can't see the bigger picture.

Well, the big picture also says we are looking into midtable obscurity in the foreseeable future...
We finished 8th last season and no matter how you slicy and dice it, the reasons for it, our team is right now worse
than last season.
Just to still see all of Commoli's and Kenny's garbage at the club just bring a dark hole into my stomach.
Adam, Henderson and Spearing in the midfield, please save us...

Penguins » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:31 pm wrote:Well, the big picture also says we are looking into midtable obscurity in the foreseeable future...
We finished 8th last season and no matter how you slicy and dice it, the reasons for it, our team is right now worse
than last season.
Just to still see all of Commoli's and Kenny's garbage at the club just bring a dark hole into my stomach.
Adam, Henderson and Spearing in the midfield, please save us...

It will depend on BR's management. And NESV's support for bringing in the kind of players that BR likes. It doesn't have to be expensive big names. That's why I'm all for selling Carroll and bringing in the likes of Allen, Dempsey and Ramirez if that is what BR wants. Dortmund has shown that you can win the league dominated by Bayern Munich and their expensive players by proper coaching of talented young players. We have already appointed a manager based on his management and football style. Might as well trust him and wait and see patiently what he can do...

maguskwt » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:51 pm wrote:Dortmund has shown that you can win the league dominated by Bayern Munich and their expensive players by proper coaching of talented young players. We have already appointed a manager based on his management and football style. Might as well trust him and wait and see patiently what he can do...

The bundesliga is actually a lot more open as its not nearly as dominated by big money clubs as the premier league is.

Looks like sell to buy for us at this point but hope I am wrong.

Shame if we have to let one of our better players go to strengthen in
other areas but given they have been trying to hawk Carroll out all
summer without success Agger may be next in the shop window.

Sell to buy and talk of loan deals so really not much for Rodgers to
work with in terms of new money invested by the owners.

parchpea » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:04 pm wrote:Looks like sell to buy for us at this point but hope I am wrong.

Shame if we have to let one of our better players go to strengthen in
other areas but given they have been trying to hawk Carroll out all
summer without success Agger may be next in the shop window.

Sell to buy and talk of loan deals so really not much for Rodgers to
work with in terms of new money invested by the owners.

sky sports news are reporting that we`ve turned down a £15m bid from city for agger but another improved offer from city is expected within days.
i dont see agger going to city myself, i think if he goes it will be to barcelona.
then again nothing would surprise me in footy these days.

I have to agree the wage cutting is there for a reason. The only real prospect is the Stadium.

However if we are being left behind by our main rivals.

Look at the players that chelsea, Arsenal, have brought.

Im sure city and Man utd arnt done.

Reg » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:09 pm wrote:

maguskwt » Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:58 pm wrote:the apparent lack of or hesitation on spending by NESV can be blamed on our failures with Carroll, Henderson, Downing and Adam...

Getting rid of Aquilani, trying to sell Carroll etc.. and anyother surviving high salary player togethr with the unwillingness to splash big cash to bring in players suggests to me the club is trying to get its finance back in order to build a new stadium.  (or renovate Anfield, whichever way, its a cashflow issue and we need to restructure our finances).

Personally I think the new owners are doing a great job.

Hmm... Reg, I don't think I'll agree with you there mate, you made a valid point but FSG have already stressed that CL money is all that matters in order to get Liverpool spending again, if this is the case then I don't think they would want to wait 5 or 6 years just to get their cashflow running again.

People need to stop being so hysterical. FSG are not Abramovich but they are also not H&G. They have stuck to their promise of generating cash which is being put back into the club.

Players will be coming in over the next few weeks so come 1st September most people are going to be happy, but obviously some never will be until we are buying several £20mil plus players every transfer window.

The only players that have left the club this summer are Aurelio, Amoo, Kuyt, Maxi and Aquilani. And what exactly have they contributed recently or were likely to contribute next season and beyond? Just ignore the press and Twitter and let Rodgers and the board get on with hit. Their job is to work on deals not update us every minute on how deals are progressing.

Im not buying the whole 'sell to buy' thing. I think we have some funds and the manager is the one deciding to sell the players who have been/will be sold. My guess is that the owner gave Rodgers around 20-30 mil to bring in new players and having spent around 11 bringing in Borini and with Kuyt, Maxi and Aquilani collectively bringing in considerably less than that amount, we find ourselves struggling to finance deals for the likes of Allen, Ramirez and Dempsey.

Personally, I'd be very disappointed if Rodgers wants/allows Agger or Skrtel to leave. Losing Carroll would have made our squad a bit thin upfront but losing one of Agger/Skrtel would be a big blow to quite possibly the strongest area of our starting 11. I cant imagine the likes of Allen or Ramirez (who reportedly would come in for a similar fee to that we would get for our CBs) being worth the price we'd have to pay. Add to that the fact that any replacement we do bring in at the back would probably be a downgrade and would need time to settle and its a recipe for disaster.

I do think however that Rodgers deserves the benefit of the doubt and hopefully all the Agger/Skrtel transfer talk is nothing but rumours. That said, he'll need to bring in a couple of decent signings soon and I think if the funds are an issue then bringing them in on loan might be the way forward. It probably would have helped if we had a director of football with a bit of experience given the fact that Rodgers has only been in the management scene for a few years and never had a job as challenging as this one is.

aCe' » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:01 pm wrote:Im not buying the whole 'sell to buy' thing. I think we have some funds and the manager is the one deciding to sell the players who have been/will be sold. My guess is that the owner gave Rodgers around 20-30 mil to bring in new players and having spent around 11 bringing in Borini and with Kuyt, Maxi and Aquilani collectively bringing in considerably less than that amount, we find ourselves struggling to finance deals for the likes of Allen, Ramirez and Dempsey.

Personally, I'd be very disappointed if Rodgers wants/allows Agger or Skrtel to leave. Losing Carroll would have made our squad a bit thin upfront but losing one of Agger/Skrtel would be a big blow to quite possibly the strongest area of our starting 11. I cant imagine the likes of Allen or Ramirez (who reportedly would come in for a similar fee to that we would get for our CBs) being worth the price we'd have to pay. Add to that the fact that any replacement we do bring in at the back would probably be a downgrade and would need time to settle and its a recipe for disaster.

I do think however that Rodgers deserves the benefit of the doubt and hopefully all the Agger/Skrtel transfer talk is nothing but rumours. That said, he'll need to bring in a couple of decent signings soon and I think if the funds are an issue then bringing them in on loan might be the way forward. It probably would have helped if we had a director of football with a bit of experience given the fact that Rodgers has only been in the management scene for a few years and never had a job as challenging as this one is.

I think that pretty much sums it up there.  He's said he's thought about bringing players in on loan, and with guys like Sahin, Afellay, and Tello possibly available, it makes perfect sense.  Sure it doesn't directly help our squad in the long run, but it helps fill spots we don't want to spend the money on right now, and then next summer we can look over things again.

Can someone please enlighten me as to why the owners get separated from the club in these discussions.  At what point does it become the ethos of "All one pulling together?"  Why is it, "We spent 35 million on Carroll" or "FSG aren't spending enough"?  Isn't it all one in the same?

ethanr » Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:24 am wrote:

aCe' » Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:01 pm wrote:Im not buying the whole 'sell to buy' thing. I think we have some funds and the manager is the one deciding to sell the players who have been/will be sold. My guess is that the owner gave Rodgers around 20-30 mil to bring in new players and having spent around 11 bringing in Borini and with Kuyt, Maxi and Aquilani collectively bringing in considerably less than that amount, we find ourselves struggling to finance deals for the likes of Allen, Ramirez and Dempsey.

Personally, I'd be very disappointed if Rodgers wants/allows Agger or Skrtel to leave. Losing Carroll would have made our squad a bit thin upfront but losing one of Agger/Skrtel would be a big blow to quite possibly the strongest area of our starting 11. I cant imagine the likes of Allen or Ramirez (who reportedly would come in for a similar fee to that we would get for our CBs) being worth the price we'd have to pay. Add to that the fact that any replacement we do bring in at the back would probably be a downgrade and would need time to settle and its a recipe for disaster.

I do think however that Rodgers deserves the benefit of the doubt and hopefully all the Agger/Skrtel transfer talk is nothing but rumours. That said, he'll need to bring in a couple of decent signings soon and I think if the funds are an issue then bringing them in on loan might be the way forward. It probably would have helped if we had a director of football with a bit of experience given the fact that Rodgers has only been in the management scene for a few years and never had a job as challenging as this one is.

I think that pretty much sums it up there.  He's said he's thought about bringing players in on loan, and with guys like Sahin, Afellay, and Tello possibly available, it makes perfect sense.  Sure it doesn't directly help our squad in the long run, but it helps fill spots we don't want to spend the money on right now, and then next summer we can look over things again.

If that's the route that FSG wan't to go down then so be it. But how many people can really see that strategy actually working to get us back into the top 4? To me it looks like were putting on a band aid for something that needs surgery.

Wonder what they are making of all the stuff going on with Standard Charter!!