Liverpool FC Forum

Benny The Noon » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:38 pm wrote:

heimdall » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:14 pm wrote:Can't believe how negative some of you guys are being, we haen't even signed anyone yet and you guys are whining liek spoilt brats. The bottom line is that after the transfer balls up of comolli and King Kenny we have sod all money left so we have to be a little bit shrewd. Also remember that we have quite a few youngsters coming up the ranks.
In any case the new manager has my full backing at the moment as he should have from all fans.

Yes at the moment he has your backing - how long before your demanding he is sacked and replaced.

You are the same person who demanded Rafa was sacked then demanded Kenny was sacked and Rafa was hired !!!

He will have my backing until I loose confidence in him, same as all the other managers, at the moment I like what he's saying and doing.

allen is more of a lucas type defensive midfielder, we probably need one of those and he does look quite sharp and quick. we dont know how lucas will come back yet, those cruciates are nasty injuries, it took alonso months to get back to his old self after a broken foot never mind a cruciate injury.
there are rumours on some other sites that we are signing clint dempsey tonight, i doubt it myself, i just looked at the echo and it never mentioned him once and if he was that close to putting pen to paper i imagine they would have at least mentioned that we are interested in him.
there was 3 pages on this borini lad though, they want £11m for him and we want to pay £8m but a deal looks immenent.
the echo basically says that carroll isnt part of rodgers long term plans and if an acceptable offer comes in he can go.
we are going to do well to catch the likes of spurs, arsenal, city and united with the likes of borini and if they come, allen and dempsey. two of them are 21 and 22, it`s unrealistic to expect them to come to the club and start pulling up tree`s at their age. the pressure is even worse on dempsey if he arrives, not many players improve once they reach 30, he`s got to hit the ground running.
underwhelmed is the word i think.

heimdall » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:38 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Tue Jul 10, 2012 3:38 pm wrote:

heimdall » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:14 pm wrote:Can't believe how negative some of you guys are being, we haen't even signed anyone yet and you guys are whining liek spoilt brats. The bottom line is that after the transfer balls up of comolli and King Kenny we have sod all money left so we have to be a little bit shrewd. Also remember that we have quite a few youngsters coming up the ranks.
In any case the new manager has my full backing at the moment as he should have from all fans.

Yes at the moment he has your backing - how long before your demanding he is sacked and replaced.

You are the same person who demanded Rafa was sacked then demanded Kenny was sacked and Rafa was hired !!!

He will have my backing until I loose confidence in him, same as all the other managers, at the moment I like what he's saying and doing.

That statement is why I have a problem with Internet foreign fans - he should have your backing every day he is at the club. I fully expect you to lose confidence in him by Jan when things aren't to your liking.

kartiek » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:15 pm wrote:MH,  you could hardly get excited about Henderson or Downing or Carroll even from their YouTube videos let alone seeing them play day in and day out.

Henderson- on YouTube, a few goals nothing special, never beat a player, never ran past another, never gave a nice through ball, no long passes. If you can't make at least a player look good on YouTube, there's little chane they will turn out good. Even from his games I felt that the guy lacked positioning skills. He seems anonymous in most games I saw him play before he joined Liverpool.

AC On YouTube- A few goals from long distance, a few goals from headers. No traditional through ball, making good runs, getting goals the way strikers do in general.

If YouTube can tell anything about a player- its that they're not good enough.

I haven't focused on joe Allen or watched borini play, but at least joe Allen looks like he loves to run past players in speed, and make through balls, and a few long passes. I'm not saying anything more Until I see him play but at least YouTube doesn't reject the kid, for me. Same for borini. And about Dempsey, I've always liked what I saw. In fact, I'm always happy if we buy players who have pod skill on the ball. What then makes them special is a good team. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule ala Gerard

The only issue I have is that we are repeating the same mistakes, we are feeling a huge wave of optimism when we sign a player then major dissapointment follows. I'm feeling skeptical with what we are linked with.

metalhead » Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:11 pm wrote:

kartiek » Wed Jul 11, 2012 3:15 pm wrote:MH,  you could hardly get excited about Henderson or Downing or Carroll even from their YouTube videos let alone seeing them play day in and day out.

Henderson- on YouTube, a few goals nothing special, never beat a player, never ran past another, never gave a nice through ball, no long passes. If you can't make at least a player look good on YouTube, there's little chane they will turn out good. Even from his games I felt that the guy lacked positioning skills. He seems anonymous in most games I saw him play before he joined Liverpool.

AC On YouTube- A few goals from long distance, a few goals from headers. No traditional through ball, making good runs, getting goals the way strikers do in general.

If YouTube can tell anything about a player- its that they're not good enough.

I haven't focused on joe Allen or watched borini play, but at least joe Allen looks like he loves to run past players in speed, and make through balls, and a few long passes. I'm not saying anything more Until I see him play but at least YouTube doesn't reject the kid, for me. Same for borini. And about Dempsey, I've always liked what I saw. In fact, I'm always happy if we buy players who have pod skill on the ball. What then makes them special is a good team. Of course, there are exceptions to the rule ala Gerard

The only issue I have is that we are repeating the same mistakes, we are feeling a huge wave of optimism when we sign a player then major dissapointment follows. I'm feeling skeptical with what we are linked with.

Couldn't agree more Metal Head.

Would any of these players even be considered by the top 4? F**k no, so why are we being linked with these players is beyond me!

It doesn't take a genius to work out that signing these types of players will lead to more mediocrity and more mid-table finishes. In order to improve we need to be signing QUALITY, if we are flint lets just sign 1-2 world class player to genuinely get excited over and thats it. People have such short memories, the reason why we are in this quagmire of s**t is because of the failed 'squad' players leeching off our wages doing f**k all to improve the side over the last decade or so. Until we stop this madness WE will not improve.

It laughable that you have the likes of fans like Heimdell go on about 'supporting' the manager right now but then be slating him half way through the season because they come to the slow realisation that the players he has brought in aren't good enough. Smart and knowledgeable fans know that they aren't going to make one iota of difference from the start, I had my reservations on Adam, Downing, Henderson and Carroll and I wasn't the only one, hey 12 months down the track what we feared worst came true, they just aren't good enough! 12 months down the track we will be saying the same the likes of JoE Allen, Borini and Dempsey. 

City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal all have better squads, revenues and players then us. City have unlimited money. Chelsea have spent £30+ on Hazard and are about to sign Oscar for £25m. Spurs have £40-50m to spend plus the Modric money. Arsenal have money to burn but the manager chooses not to spend it. United aren't short of a few quid. We are currently light years away from properly challenging for the very best players available when you consider our resources.

I at least expect the fans to be realistic like the manager is when it comes to signing players. Past mistakes mean that there's no way we're going to attract "world class" players as you put it.

stmichael » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:45 am wrote:City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal all have better squads, revenues and players then us. City have unlimited money. Chelsea have spent £30+ on Hazard and are about to sign Oscar for £25m. Spurs have £40-50m to spend plus the Modric money. Arsenal have money to burn but the manager chooses not to spend it. United aren't short of a few quid. We are currently light years away from properly challenging for the very best players available when you consider our resources.

I at least expect the fans to be realistic like the manager is when it comes to signing players. Past mistakes mean that there's no way we're going to attract "world class" players as you put it.

Problem is you will never get fans to realign their expecations no matter what. We are LFC is what they will spout in your face.
Last few years have been a farce. Signing Sh*t, finishing midtable each season and still going on about challenging going into each season.
Righnt now it is one step at a time, one place in the standing each season. We don't have the resources to make the CL just like that.
And no, just cause one season has passed Adam, Downing, Henderson, Cole, Aquilani etc etc haven't become new players and will perform all of a sudden!!

stmichael » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:45 am wrote:City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal all have better squads, revenues and players then us. City have unlimited money. Chelsea have spent £30+ on Hazard and are about to sign Oscar for £25m. Spurs have £40-50m to spend plus the Modric money. Arsenal have money to burn but the manager chooses not to spend it. United aren't short of a few quid. We are currently light years away from properly challenging for the very best players available when you consider our resources.

I at least expect the fans to be realistic like the manager is when it comes to signing players. Past mistakes mean that there's no way we're going to attract "world class" players as you put it.

We can always find better players than dempsey and allen and at the same price if we look abroad. Look at Mesut Ozil, he went to Real Madrid for 10m and Marko Marin was bought by Chelsea for 8m. Good players who would have improve our squad if we were interested in them. Spare me the wages, we could afford these type of players if we moved quickly we could sign players like them at good prices. The problem is, since 2008, we have been attrocious in the transfer market, bar Suarez and Enrique, we have signed complete dross and we continue to do the same mistake over and over again. We never replaced our key players properly! We replaced Riise for Dossenna, Hyypia for Kyriagkos, Voronin for Bellamy, Raul Meireles for Henderson, Torres for Andy Carroll, Alonso for Aquilani, and the list goes on. Hence, as a club we regressed because of our poor signings in the transfer window. We cannot afford to do this anymroe, we need to replace players we sell with better ones, not with players at the same level or worse,but better ones that would improve our starting eleven. I can't see type of players like Allen or Dempsey that would help us back to top 4 spot, they might be great squad players to have, but I think we have enough of those, we need KEY players who would make the difference, not necessarly known and ''world class'' players who would cost huge money, quality players that would make a difference in our team. I'm sure there are tons of them lurking around Europe.

I hope Borini turns out to be a fantastic buy, but I won't expect too much, especially that he is Italian and we had 2 italians before him who turned out to be complete flops

stmichael » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:45 am wrote:City, United, Chelsea, Arsenal all have better squads, revenues and players then us. City have unlimited money. Chelsea have spent £30+ on Hazard and are about to sign Oscar for £25m. Spurs have £40-50m to spend plus the Modric money. Arsenal have money to burn but the manager chooses not to spend it. United aren't short of a few quid. We are currently light years away from properly challenging for the very best players available when you consider our resources.

I at least expect the fans to be realistic like the manager is when it comes to signing players. Past mistakes mean that there's no way we're going to attract "world class" players as you put it.

we still have some top players at the club and if we bring in a couple of suarez quality signings we could be in the mix again. it would also send out the message that we are still an ambitious club looking to compete at the top end of the game. yeah okay our owners got their fingers burnt in the transfer market but what top club hasnt? it wasnt as if every penny of that money came out of their own pockets most of it came from the sale of torres, babel, ngog etc.
to me it looks like they are trying to extract as much profit out of the club as they can with the least possible investment. great business model but i`m not sure you can be a top club these days with that stratedgy.
it takes a bit of a leap of faith to believe that signing mid table 21 and 22 year olds for 8 or 9 million and a 29 year old from fulham are the first steps on our journey back to the top.
according to people who study these things the owners apparently got us on the cheap and even though they laid out £30m in transfers they have saved a similar amount by reducing the wage bill. maybe it`s time they invested some of their hard earned into the `business`, rodgers is their man, they should have enough faith in their own judgement to give the fella at least a fighting chance of succeeding by backing him in the transfer market.

Sorry but arsenal Chelsea city utd and Tottenham aren't light years ahead of us

We beat Chelsea home and away
We beat arsenal at the emirates
We drew with city utd and tottenham at home

Where we have problems is in the fact that we lost to Bolton drew to Blackburn at home.

Swansea took 4 points off us fulham took all 6 just like Blackpool the year before.

We have 7 players who would get into most teams in Reina Skrtle Agger Johnson Lucas  Gerrard and Suarez.

I don't want to make excuses but Suarez missed 9 games through suspension Lucas over half the season through Gerrard was in and out and Agger has never completed a year with us

We just need a bit of luck

RichardLFC1 » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:41 pm wrote:Sorry but arsenal Chelsea city utd and Tottenham aren't light years ahead of us

We beat Chelsea home and away
We beat arsenal at the emirates
We drew with city utd and tottenham at home

Where we have problems is in the fact that we lost to Bolton drew to Blackburn at home.

Swansea took 4 points off us fulham took all 6 just like Blackpool the year before.

We have 7 players who would get into most teams in Reina Skrtle Agger Johnson Lucas  Gerrard and Suarez.

I don't want to make excuses but Suarez missed 9 games through suspension Lucas over half the season through Gerrard was in and out and Agger has never completed a year with us

We just need a bit of luck

Points gained last season

City - 89
UTD - 89
Arsenal - 70
Spurs - 69
Chelsea - 64


Liverpool - 52

If 37 points isnt light years ahead what the f*ck is

1stly Chelsea finished 25 points behind secondly did you miss the bit I said about us missing many key players for large parts of the season. 3rdly we havent given Rodgers a single game before we're down on our season. Let him buy somebody or sell somebody before you give your opinion on how we will do

Chelsea also won the CL and FA Cup.

All that matters is points on the board and results.

We are miles away from the others currently and need a lot of improvement.

We don't have a prayer in getting anywhere near teams like City.

Benny The Noon » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:05 pm wrote:Chelsea also won the CL and FA Cup.

All that matters is points on the board and results.

We are miles away from the others currently and need a lot of improvement.

We don't have a prayer in getting anywhere near teams like City.

and we don't have the money

metalhead » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:09 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:05 pm wrote:Chelsea also won the CL and FA Cup.

All that matters is points on the board and results.

We are miles away from the others currently and need a lot of improvement.

We don't have a prayer in getting anywhere near teams like City.

and we don't have the money

The only people that do are Chelsea mate - can see the two of them moving away from the rest.