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I dont get comments like "Rodgers is off his f**king head" if he lets Carroll go... when Rodgers would never have signed him.

The crazy f**k up was by Kenny when he paid a fortune to bring him to the club. There is not one person here who would go back to 30 Jan 2011 right now and be happy to buy Carroll (nevermind forking out 35 million).

Rodgers has to undo Kenny's mismanagement. He either persists with a player whom he never would have bought, and in doing so put his job on the line with another managers signing, or, he brings in his own players who are suited to his style of play. How anyone could argue against him doing the latter is crazy.

This loan talk is possibly Rodgers thinking that Carroll wont develop under his method of play, and therefore it would be better to do so at another club while still having him on our books. One thing that is certain, Carroll is not compatible with a Rodgers pass and move style of play. Also he doesnt compliment our best player Suarez who is suited to linking up with a technical player on a similar wavelength as he does so for Uruguay with Forlan.

Personally i would like to see Carroll given a year under Rodgers, out of curiousity to see if he has more that he hasn't yet shown, and then next summer we will know where we stand. He will have been here 2 and a half years, and will have a better idea if he can develop into being a better player on the ball or not.

I know what the papers are saying ffs

Go and watch the press conference and listen to his quotes and then you will see they have been re arranged and manipulated in the papers to make it out like he was talking about Borini arriving and talking about Carroll going on loan !!

Come on you know what the papers are like now surely ?

They have used his quotes from the press conference and made a couple of stories out of them.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:43 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:39 pm wrote:McManaman lacking bottle !! Seriously ?

right he did, 90% of that mid 90`s team did.

How the hell did he lack bottle ?

What they lacked was a defence not bottle

McManaman carried us for most of the 90s.. Benny is right our defence (and lack of top class holding midfielder), and David James, is what cost us league titles. Attack wise we were title contenders.

Borini scored 9 goals in 20 starts and 4 subs in the Italian league, for a low-scoring Roma team at 20 years old.  He scored 6 in 9 for Rogers at Swansea, as a 19 year old.  He's 21 now, and he could actually turn into quite a talent if given the proper chance, so I'd be thrilled if we signed him.

I don't think Rogers wasn't to send Andy on loan, but in all honesty putting him on loan if we aren't going to play him would be good for him and the club.  I think Rogers will give him a full chance at Liverpool.  I'm not Rogers, I don't know if he features in his plans or not, but I don't think there's anyway Rogers is walking into the club, and already making his mind up on a player like Andy without giving him a full chance to prove he's capable of fitting in.

Benny The Noon » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:45 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:43 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:39 pm wrote:McManaman lacking bottle !! Seriously ?

right he did, 90% of that mid 90`s team did.

How the hell did he lack bottle ?

What they lacked was a defence not bottle

because they blew it everytime a high pressure game came about, as soon as there was a chance of winning something they folded.
wandering around in white suits and doing laps of honour with robbie williams in the final game of the season when we won f**k all?
not to mention passing a pound coin around.
they werent winners.

They blew everything because they couldn't defend for Sh*t and James was fuckibg awful - nothing to do with bottle.

A player who lacks bottle is someone like Aquilani not Macca.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:36 pm wrote:

friendlyguy33 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:27 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:18 pm wrote:Please go and watch the press conference and see what he actually said - he never said he was willing to let Carroll go on loan !!!

Oh come on Benny forget yesterday it's been overtaken by what he said today. He said today he won't rule it out if it helps Carroll and he can come back a better player?

I'm a bit disappointed to be honest we shouldn't be a feeder loan club for the likes of AC MIlan to help them out in the short term. Brendan isn't coming over very well to me right now Borini is unproven in the premiership he was on loan at Swansea in the championship you don't tinker around with strikers at Liverpool when we need continuity and improvement in order to have a chance of getting back into the top four.

Brendan Rodgers is making quite an inauspicious start to pre-season I can see problems on the horizon if I'm honest. Does he understand that top premiership clubs aren't in the business of short term loan deals. It might work if you're trying to get into the premiership with Swansea but loaning out Carroll for a year isn't a plan for success as far as I can see particularly if all you've got to offer is Borini as the replacement.

over the last 20 years at this club we`ve had good, sometimes even great players but they`ve either lacked bottle from the outset (mcmanaman) or had the fight drained out of them by successive league campaigns (gerrard).
out of the current crop of players we have 2 in the whole squad who look like they are prepared to fight against the odds, we have got just 2 players that wont throw the towel in mentally.
they are luis suarez and andy carroll, and now rodgers wants to send one of them out on loan?
f**king joke.

I tend to agree and Italian strikers have hardly set the world on fire in the premiership historically speaking. Ravanelli was just a mid-table striker none of the top clubs were interested in him when he joined Middlesbrorough in the 90s. Borini might be ok as backup for Suarez and Carroll unlikely as backup just for Suarez.

I wast at the Liv-Man U game in April 1997 (the one where James gifted goals to Pallister and Cole) when we had a chance to go top. McManaman put in title winning calibre performances, as did Fowler. Those two in particuler were worthy of league winners medals... cant do anything when David James is in nets, and the likes of Ruddock and Babb are defenders, and no dominant Roy Keane type in central mid.

Benny if Rodgers talk at the press conference was just in general terms or generics about x player or y player going out on loan why did he specifically mention Carroll when he said this? Why didn't he mention Spearing, Downing, Henderson or one of the other players? He specifically talked about Carroll going out on loan possibly as if it could happen when he was asked the question and in that answer he refused to say that Carroll was part of his plans as he said he had to look at the squad and then decide.

I think he and the club already have decided on Caroll - the owners want at least half their money back.

Benny The Noon » Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:53 pm wrote:They blew everything because they couldn't defend for Sh*t and James was fuckibg awful - nothing to do with bottle.

A player who lacks bottle is someone like Aquilani not Macca.

mcmanaman was a decent player but he could easily be bullied out of games, at the same time ryan giggs was running teams like wimbledon and everton  ragged, those were the types of teams that mcmanaman used to go missing against.
infact look at the derby games from that time, mcmanaman and barnes even went in the echo one day before a derby game saying they dread the fixture.
no wonder we never won one in about 10 games
there are countless story`s of that side lacking bottle including the one when we played chelsea at anfield when they had vinny jones and dennis wise.

D___C » Tue Jul 10, 2012 5:01 pm wrote:I wast at the Liv-Man U game in April 1997 (the one where James gifted goals to Pallister and Cole) when we had a chance to go top. McManaman put in title winning calibre performances, as did Fowler. Those two in particuler were worthy of league winners medals... cant do anything when David James is in nets, and the likes of Ruddock and Babb are defenders, and no dominant Roy Keane type in central mid.

go to any derby games?

For anyone wondering what all the fuss is about:

Andy Carroll loan move a possibility - Brendan Rodgers
Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers says he would consider letting striker Andy Carroll go out on loan.

The 23-year-old England international has struggled to meet expectations since joining the club from Newcastle for a club record £35m in January 2011.

"It's something I would have to look at, I have to be honest," said Rodgers.

"Andy's always going to be linked with clubs, whether he was here or not. He knows exactly where he stands, but I have had no inquiries about him."

Carroll has been linked with a loan move to Italian side AC Milan, who were reportedly impressed by his displays at the recent European Championships, where he made three appearances for England and scored once, against Sweden.

Rodgers said: "There are many things to going on loan. Is it going to be beneficial for the club, that's the most important thing?

"Sometimes a player going out on loan - in general, not just Andy - can benefit the club in the long term.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18778825

Seems to me that Rodgers is keeping an open mind on the situation by neither ruling anything out or in. Would he speak in those terms about a player who was firmly in his plans for next season, I wonder?

Italian strikers tend to not do well in England because good Italian strikers don't always leave Italy.  The last good Italian striker to come to England was Balotelli, and anybody with half a brain would be thrilled if we signed somebody as talented (no not the same attitude) as Balotelli.  There are 5 strikers on the current Italian national team.  Balotelli is the only one who isn't playing in Italy, and he's done very well in England.  The other four are Di Natale, Cassano, Giovinco, and Borini.

My point is saying that good Italian strikers don't often come to the prem.  Yes I'm sure you could rattle off a list of Italian strikers who've played in the prem over the last 20 years, but 20 years is quite a long time.  There's pretty much been as many good Spanish strikers in the prem as good Italian.  You have Torres, and he's not even considered very good anymore.  Spanish strikers tend to stay in Spain (Villa, Llorente, Soldado, Negredo, Pedro).  Good German strikers tend to stay in Germany... I think you get the point.

friendlyguy33 » Tue Jul 10, 2012 6:02 pm wrote:Benny if Rodgers talk at the press conference was just in general terms or generics about x player or y player going out on loan why did he specifically mention Carroll when he said this? Why didn't he mention Spearing, Downing, Henderson or one of the other players? He specifically talked about Carroll going out on loan possibly as if it could happen when he was asked the question and in that answer he refused to say that Carroll was part of his plans as he said he had to look at the squad and then decide.

I think he and the club already have decided on Caroll - the owners want at least half their money back.

Go and watch the press conference from where the quotes are taken from and see the context they were meant - not believe some manipulated article put together for the gulible.

He did not say Carroll is available for loan or he didnt say Carroll was going on loan or anything of the sort.

Carroll was mentioned because that was who the question was about.

I maybe credited Liverpool fans with a bit more common sense than to get sucked in by this nonsense