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Boxscarf » Mon May 28, 2012 8:17 pm wrote:

metalhead » Mon May 28, 2012 8:11 pm wrote:
You are being hypocritical

No I'm not, I backed Dalglish, but I have to confess Kenny was frustrating as the previous three managers. If Kenny was our manager now I'd be satisfied.

Now you are confusing me...

Kharhaz » Sun May 27, 2012 10:55 pm wrote:Martinez will be manager. No sources, no rumours just what will be. On Tuesday, it will be confirmed.

I'm not as worried about this as I was in fact. His teams play pretty good fast flowing football and even if he does become team manager I'm sure they'll get someone in experienced for the DOF role probably Van Gaal or the guy from Barca.

Segura will probably get some new responsibilities in the new role. Martinez does lack experience with a big club but he'll pick it all up quite quickly and he'll grow into the job. By the sounds of it Wigan seem prettty desperate to keep him at all costs.

Though I think it has moved on now and Klopp and possibly Rodgers are also in the frame even if we do have Martinez I think we'll be ok with him. All this makes a mockery of the idea that we can't attract decent managers. Whoever it is will have to be given time but with the right signings, teamwork and mentality for the future I think we'll step it up. I think it probabaly will be Klopp but we'll see.

Benny The Noon » Mon May 28, 2012 8:12 pm wrote:Are you for real ?

Absolutely, I'd even forgotten that Evans was treated with utter contempt, so that's Liverpool's past five managers that have been treated like excrement and thrown out of the door. It's sickening, and yet we wonder why managers aren't forthcoming? If I was a manager and I saw the fates of the last five managers, I'd chose to stay at my current employer. It's time we back a manager fully and stop this sack him attitude, it stinks. Did Evans deserve to be forced out with the contempt he was? No. Houllier was told he had to finish 4th, he finished 4th and was sacked. Rafa was forced out for non-footballing reasons, Hodgson's fate was marked from day one and Kenny was also sacked despite the fact he got us to two cup finals. This club and its treatment of managers is appalling, seriously, it's a disgrace.

I can see Martinez being on the backfoot from the start, I can see all the Liverpool supporters sharpening their proverbial daggers now, ear-marked for Roberto's back.

metalhead » Mon May 28, 2012 8:21 pm wrote:
Now you are confusing me...

Well you lost me the moment you called me a hypocrite? Are you not embarrassed at just how badly we as a club treat our managers?

are you for real? your constant b!tching and moaning in the last couple of months regarding Kenny Dalglish and his team and you tell us to show some ''support'', brilliant!

Boxscarf » Mon May 28, 2012 9:23 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Mon May 28, 2012 8:12 pm wrote:Are you for real ?

Absolutely, I'd even forgotten that Evans was treated with utter contempt, so that's Liverpool's past five managers that have been treated like excrement and thrown out of the door. It's sickening, and yet we wonder why managers aren't forthcoming? If I was a manager and I saw the fates of the last five managers, I'd chose to stay at my current employer. It's time we back a manager fully and stop this sack him attitude, it stinks. Did Evans deserve to be forced out with the contempt he was? No. Houllier was told he had to finish 4th, he finished 4th and was sacked. Rafa was forced out for non-footballing reasons, Hodgson's fate was marked from day one and Kenny was also sacked despite the fact he got us to two cup finals. This club and its treatment of managers is appalling, seriously, it's a disgrace.

I can see Martinez being on the backfoot from the starter, I can see all the Liverpool supporters sharpening their proverbial daggers now, ear-marked for Roberto's back.

Every single manager in the last 20 years has contributed to his own downfall and each one was supported by both club and fans. It's football , it's about both success and failure - if you don't match up to both club and fans ambitions then they will face the consequences.

If you can't handle managers getting the sack ( crying for two days ) then I suggest you switch to a different sport.

I like Martinez. That said, he'll need to bring every ounce of experience and tactical knowledge he has to the table pretty quick or else the fans will turn on him faster than they did with Hodgson. Personaly, I would have gone for a big name and hoped for the best but I can see the logic in picking Martinez. We desperately need stability and someone who knows what they are doing in the managerial roles. I understand the frustration of some and them questioning Martinez's record but as far as I'm concerned the most important role for any manager of this club in the next few months will be in the transfer market. Get that right and I think we might have something for next season.

metalhead » Mon May 28, 2012 8:27 pm wrote::laugh:

are you for real? your constant b!tching and moaning in the last couple of months regarding Kenny Dalglish and his team and you tell us to show some ''support'', brilliant!

His performance as manager and that of his players warranted criticism. We were playing like relegation candidates and Kenny was constantly ignoring the glaring mistakes he was making and that of the team. Now go back through my posts and pick out a post where I state that I want Kenny sacked? I stated I had lost faith in Kenny, but that was down to frustration in the wake of what I believe was the defeat to Newcastle United.

I have supported this club since 1995 and never once have I called for the manager to be sacked. I've criticised all our managers for something or another at times I have been furious with our managers, Houllier and Benitez in particular, but I never once wanted any of those men removed from their position as our manager. I have been upset and saddened by the removal of all our managers, the worst one being Rafa Benitez. I was one of the few Liverpool fans on the .tv forums that defended the manager constantly in his last season and Lucas who was getting ripped to shreds day in and day out, so don't you dare tell me that I didn't support Kenny. I was quite happy to see Kenny given another season to turn things around. I never once called for his head.

aCe' » Mon May 28, 2012 8:29 pm wrote:I like Martinez. That said, he'll need to bring every ounce of experience and tactical knowledge he has to the table pretty quick or else the fans will turn on him faster than they did with Hodgson. Personaly, I would have gone for a big name and hoped for the best but I can see the logic in picking Martinez. We desperately need stability and someone who knows what they are doing in the managerial roles. I understand the frustration of some and them questioning Martinez's record but as far as I'm concerned the most important role for any manager of this club in the next few months will be in the transfer market. Get that right and I think we might have something for next season.

I firmly believe that the players who have underperformed this season will be much better next.
We will have Lucas back and possibly Cole and Aquilani. If everyone steps their game up 10% we will be virtually unbeatable.
Add on to this  a few effective transfers to compliment what weve got and the future looks bright

Benny The Noon » Mon May 28, 2012 8:28 pm wrote:

Every single manager in the last 20 years has contributed to his own downfall and each one was supported by both club and fans. It's football , it's about both success and failure - if you don't match up to both club and fans ambitions then they will face the consequences.

If you can't handle managers getting the sack ( crying for two days ) then I suggest you switch to a different sport.

There was no need to sack Evans when they did. Evans stated time and time again his desire to sign Lillian Thuram as a center-back and was told by David Moores that the club couldn't afford such a player as his fee and his wages would be far too much for the club. Now tell me who's fault is that? Maybe Moores should have sought new investment in 1996-97. Gerard Houllier won us six trophies, what more did fans want? We were winning trophies under his guidance, something that we hadn't done in years. His summer transfers of 2002 didn't pay off, but then all managers make mistakes in the transfer market. Rafa Benitez was forced out from all quarters for one bad season, and most of that season was him defending our football club and fighting tooth and nail for this club. Hodgson was just a lame duck, fans had turned on him prior to his press conference and Kenny was sacked for slight regression in the league.

The last five managers have been treated like sh*t by this club, fact!

The last 5 managers have all failed at many stages during the last two decades - that is a fact.

The last 5 managers have been paid handsomely by the club.

The last 5 managers didn't achieve what the club and fans wanted.

Bar Hodgson the last 5 managers were given plenty of time

The closet we got to a title in the last two decades under those 5 managers was 2nd 3 times and only once was it a close second

Thommo's perm » Mon May 28, 2012 9:36 pm wrote:

aCe' » Mon May 28, 2012 8:29 pm wrote:I like Martinez. That said, he'll need to bring every ounce of experience and tactical knowledge he has to the table pretty quick or else the fans will turn on him faster than they did with Hodgson. Personaly, I would have gone for a big name and hoped for the best but I can see the logic in picking Martinez. We desperately need stability and someone who knows what they are doing in the managerial roles. I understand the frustration of some and them questioning Martinez's record but as far as I'm concerned the most important role for any manager of this club in the next few months will be in the transfer market. Get that right and I think we might have something for next season.

I firmly believe that the players who have underperformed this season will be much better next.
We will have Lucas back and possibly Cole and Aquilani. If everyone steps their game up 10% we will be virtually unbeatable.
Add on to this  a few effective transfers to compliment what weve got and the future looks bright

Cole and Aquilani back ? To do what exactly ? Get paid big wages to disappoint massively like they did previously

Boxscarf » Mon May 28, 2012 9:32 pm wrote:

metalhead » Mon May 28, 2012 8:27 pm wrote::laugh:

are you for real? your constant b!tching and moaning in the last couple of months regarding Kenny Dalglish and his team and you tell us to show some ''support'', brilliant!

His performance as manager and that of his players warranted criticism. We were playing like relegation candidates and Kenny was constantly ignoring the glaring mistakes he was making and that of the team. Now go back through my posts and pick out a post where I state that I want Kenny sacked? I stated I had lost faith in Kenny, but that was down to frustration in the wake of what I believe was the defeat to Newcastle United.

I have supported this club since 1995 and never once have I called for the manager to be sacked. I've criticised all our managers for something or another at times I have been furious with our managers, Houllier and Benitez in particular, but I never once wanted any of those men removed from their position as our manager. I have been upset and saddened by the removal of all our managers, the worst one being Rafa Benitez. I was one of the few Liverpool fans on the .tv forums that defended the manager constantly in his last season and Lucas who was getting ripped to shreds day in and day out, so don't you dare tell me that I didn't support Kenny. I was quite happy to see Kenny given another season to turn things around. I never once called for his head.

You lost faith in Kenny yet you didn't want him sacked ?

Why would you want someone to continue in a job when you had lost faith in them ?

Boxscarf » Mon May 28, 2012 8:32 pm wrote:

metalhead » Mon May 28, 2012 8:27 pm wrote::laugh:

are you for real? your constant b!tching and moaning in the last couple of months regarding Kenny Dalglish and his team and you tell us to show some ''support'', brilliant!

His performance as manager and that of his players warranted criticism. We were playing like relegation candidates and Kenny was constantly ignoring the glaring mistakes he was making and that of the team. Now go back through my posts and pick out a post where I state that I want Kenny sacked? I stated I had lost faith in Kenny, but that was down to frustration in the wake of what I believe was the defeat to Newcastle United.

I have supported this club since 1995 and never once have I called for the manager to be sacked. I've criticised all our managers for something or another at times I have been furious with our managers, Houllier and Benitez in particular, but I never once wanted any of those men removed from their position as our manager. I have been upset and saddened by the removal of all our managers, the worst one being Rafa Benitez. I was one of the few Liverpool fans on the .tv forums that defended the manager constantly in his last season and Lucas who was getting ripped to shreds day in and day out, so don't you dare tell me that I didn't support Kenny. I was quite happy to see Kenny given another season to turn things around. I never once called for his head.

whenever i defended kenny on here you were one of the ones that used to constantly argue against me.

Benny The Noon » Mon May 28, 2012 8:43 pm wrote:

Thommo's perm » Mon May 28, 2012 9:36 pm wrote:

aCe' » Mon May 28, 2012 8:29 pm wrote:I like Martinez. That said, he'll need to bring every ounce of experience and tactical knowledge he has to the table pretty quick or else the fans will turn on him faster than they did with Hodgson. Personaly, I would have gone for a big name and hoped for the best but I can see the logic in picking Martinez. We desperately need stability and someone who knows what they are doing in the managerial roles. I understand the frustration of some and them questioning Martinez's record but as far as I'm concerned the most important role for any manager of this club in the next few months will be in the transfer market. Get that right and I think we might have something for next season.

I firmly believe that the players who have underperformed this season will be much better next.
We will have Lucas back and possibly Cole and Aquilani. If everyone steps their game up 10% we will be virtually unbeatable.
Add on to this  a few effective transfers to compliment what weve got and the future looks bright

Cole and Aquilani back ? To do what exactly ? Get paid big wages to disappoint massively like they did previously

Ill give you that Cole was quite disappointing but youre way off with Aquilani