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laza » Sun May 27, 2012 7:26 am wrote:So just when I was  warming to Martinez , bloody typical   :D

While I know there are some class candidates in Europe, I still prefer someone who has already been in cauldron of Premier league (excluding Porto Prince because he is a *****) which is why I rather have Rafa back. A couple of people have thrown Paul Lambert's name up now and I must admit its a good shout when compared to some of other names including Martinez which have been bandied about.

Oh well excitement of chase continues but I expect it will be anti climatic as well


As for Whelan well, I give him some  credit as owner who trying to do to everything to keep his manager at his club without alienating him by using the media.

Have to agree I was readying myself for another Spanish revolution with Martinez .I still think he would be mentally tapped to turn down the chance to manage
Liverpool though ...... It really depends on what clauses are placed in his contract ,and whether he feels they would impinge on his artistic licence" so to speak."

Anyway , I still believe it was only ever Martinez for the owners,a move that must be said could be fraught with danger for both the owners reputation
and the managers ,or a master stroke that sees the reds playing progressive successful  football once more ....... only time will tell .   
Deje la revolución comenzar

tubby » Sun May 27, 2012 3:06 pm wrote:I've got nothing against a young dynamic manager with something to prove, but does he have to be from a club battling relegation every year?

You make it sound as though the guy is at a club where he has a license to spend money. Martinez has done a good job at Wigan every season he's been there. Wigan finished higher than Villa and that's with the £24m Darren Bent in the Villa squad and good players like Shay Given, Stephen Ireland and Charles N'Zogbia. They finished higher than Bolton who splashed the cash on David N'Gog £4.5m in the summer and brought a whole host of new players. Wigan in comparison can do such thing, the fact they finished higher than QPR, Villa, Bolton etc is a credit to them and a credit to Roberto Martinez.

Benny The Noon » Sun May 27, 2012 3:09 pm wrote:Shanks came to us when we were in the Old Second division - but of a different prospect to now

Both Bob and Joe were promoted from within - the same as Kenny was.

Martinez has been able to spend some money in the market - as I said earlier he broke Wigans transfer record on a guy who player 11 games in total. Martinez's win percentage is around 29% ? That is very poor.

None of that guarantees succcess at the highest levels though does it? I'm sure a lot of Valencia supporters felt the same way about Rafa Benitez when he became Valencia manager. Nothing was guaranteed with a manager who beforehand had only won a Segunda league title with Tenerife.

Martinez spent £6.5m on a footballer from Argentina who was scoring goals for fun in the Argentine league. Big deal, how many poor signings did Rafa make as our manager? How many poor signings has Wenger and Fergie made? Reyes was a massive failure and likewise with Berbatov at United. United will lose around 95% of the fee paid for Berbatov. Just look at the good signings Martinez has made at Wigan manager. Jordi Gomez isn't a bad little player, Victor Moses is a decent enough striker, Al-Habsi is a good keeper and Mohamed Diame isn't a bad midfielder either.

Roberto Martinez is a gamble like any manager and it can go one of two ways! We've appointed managers in the past based on their success at other clubs and places and that hasn't brought as much success as we'd like.

Apparently FSG are in the final round of negotiating with 3 candidates for the Sporting Director role, and 4 candidates for the role of Manager. Both positions should be filled before the weekend with Matthias Sammer (Sporting Director) and Jurgen Klopp (Manager) impressing during the initial stages.

Pig Catcher » Sun May 27, 2012 4:43 pm wrote:Apparently FSG are in the final round of negotiating with 3 candidates for the Sporting Director role, and 4 candidates for the role of Manager. Both positions should be filled before the weekend with Matthias Sammer (Sporting Director) and Jurgen Klopp (Manager) impressing during the initial stages.

The key word here is "apparently".

Boxscarf » Sun May 27, 2012 3:45 pm wrote:

Benny The Noon » Sun May 27, 2012 3:09 pm wrote:Shanks came to us when we were in the Old Second division - but of a different prospect to now

Both Bob and Joe were promoted from within - the same as Kenny was.

Martinez has been able to spend some money in the market - as I said earlier he broke Wigans transfer record on a guy who player 11 games in total. Martinez's win percentage is around 29% ? That is very poor.

None of that guarantees succcess at the highest levels though does it? I'm sure a lot of Valencia supporters felt the same way about Rafa Benitez when he became Valencia manager. Nothing was guaranteed with a manager who beforehand had only won a Segunda league title with Tenerife.

Martinez spent £6.5m on a footballer from Argentina who was scoring goals for fun in the Argentine league. Big deal, how many poor signings did Rafa make as our manager? How many poor signings has Wenger and Fergie made? Reyes was a massive failure and likewise with Berbatov at United. United will lose around 95% of the fee paid for Berbatov. Just look at the good signings Martinez has made at Wigan manager. Jordi Gomez isn't a bad little player, Victor Moses is a decent enough striker, Al-Habsi is a good keeper and Mohamed Diame isn't a bad midfielder either.

Roberto Martinez is a gamble like any manager and it can go one of two ways! We've appointed managers in the past based on their success at other clubs and places and that hasn't brought as much success as we'd like.

after finishing 6th, 7th and 8th in consecutive seasons appointing a perennial relegation dodging manager is a bold step by FSG.
if it doesnt come off they are going to leave themselves open to a lot of criticism and even ridicule, i know hindsight is 20/20 but if martinez fails people will be saying what did they f**king expect to happen? did they think this fella had the talent and experience to take the likes of ferguson and wenger on?
if you appoint a big name and he fails people will generally be phlegmatic about it after a while, kind of like the way most fans dont go overboard on giving chelsea stick for signing schevchenko, everyone would have done the same in chelsea`s position.
appointing someone like martinez though is a different kettle of fish, it`s one of those left field calls that make you look like a genius if it comes off but a right **** if it doesnt.
after the whole billy beane / comoli fiasco i`m wondering wether appointing martinez is worth it in a PR sense for FSG.
if this goes wrong they are going to look comically inept.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun May 27, 2012 4:48 pm wrote:
after finishing 6th, 7th and 8th in consecutive seasons appointing a perennial relegation dodging manager is a bold step by FSG.
if it doesnt come off they are going to leave themselves open to a lot of criticism and even ridicule

And if it does come off and we do exceptionally well next season then people will be saying "that's a fantastic appointment". It's a gamble, but then appointing the likes of Ancelotti and Capello isn't a cast-iron recipe for successs.

Pig Catcher » Sun May 27, 2012 4:43 pm wrote:Apparently FSG are in the final round of negotiating with 3 candidates for the Sporting Director role, and 4 candidates for the role of Manager. Both positions should be filled before the weekend with Matthias Sammer (Sporting Director) and Jurgen Klopp (Manager) impressing during the initial stages.

where is this from mate?
klopp would be a great signing for FSG, even if it went wrong people would say that it looked a good move at the time and they did well to get him from dortmund in the first place.
you can still look ambitious even if you fail

Boxscarf » Sun May 27, 2012 4:51 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun May 27, 2012 4:48 pm wrote:
after finishing 6th, 7th and 8th in consecutive seasons appointing a perennial relegation dodging manager is a bold step by FSG.
if it doesnt come off they are going to leave themselves open to a lot of criticism and even ridicule

And if it does come off and we do exceptionally well next season then people will be saying "that's a fantastic appointment". It's a gamble, but then appointing the likes of Ancelotti and Capello isn't a cast-iron recipe for successs.

no, but by appointing a big name most people will say `good try but for whatever reason it didnt work out`
you appoint a relegation dodger and it doesnt work out people will say `wtf were they thinking?`

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun May 27, 2012 4:53 pm wrote:

Pig Catcher » Sun May 27, 2012 4:43 pm wrote:Apparently FSG are in the final round of negotiating with 3 candidates for the Sporting Director role, and 4 candidates for the role of Manager. Both positions should be filled before the weekend with Matthias Sammer (Sporting Director) and Jurgen Klopp (Manager) impressing during the initial stages.

where is this from mate?
klopp would be a great signing for FSG, even if it went wrong people would say that it looked a good move at the time and they did well to get him from dortmund in the first place.
you can still look ambitious even if you fail

Sorry should have explained. I have a mate who is originally from the UK but moved to the US to take up a job in the media industry. Although his job is not sports related, he does occasionally come across rumours before they get printed in the UK press (Kenny leaving, and apparently on bad terms). It’s not information he has got directly so it wouldn’t be a surprise if it turned out to be complete nonsense.

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun May 27, 2012 4:56 pm wrote:
no, but by appointing a big name most people will say `good try but for whatever reason it didnt work out`
you appoint a relegation dodger and it doesnt work out people will say `wtf were they thinking?`

Why do you care about what other people think?

Boxscarf » Sun May 27, 2012 6:09 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun May 27, 2012 4:56 pm wrote:
no, but by appointing a big name most people will say `good try but for whatever reason it didnt work out`
you appoint a relegation dodger and it doesnt work out people will say `wtf were they thinking?`

Why do you care about what other people think?

I don't but it's what I'm thinking! When you're appointing a manager you want someone players want to play for

Boxscarf » Sun May 27, 2012 5:51 pm wrote:

ycsatbjywtbiastkamb » Sun May 27, 2012 4:48 pm wrote:
after finishing 6th, 7th and 8th in consecutive seasons appointing a perennial relegation dodging manager is a bold step by FSG.
if it doesnt come off they are going to leave themselves open to a lot of criticism and even ridicule

And if it does come off and we do exceptionally well next season then people will be saying "that's a fantastic appointment". It's a gamble, but then appointing the likes of Ancelotti and Capello isn't a cast-iron recipe for successs.

That's a big IF though - what happen IF it goes worse and we then start to lose our better players and we then need to get another manager next summer

Greavesie » Sun May 27, 2012 5:41 pm wrote:
I don't but it's what I'm thinking! When you're appointing a manager you want someone players want to play for

Well that wasn't the case with Kenny was it? The players let him down big time last season. They couldn't even be bothered playing for a legend of this football club. At the end of the day footballers are paid to play, not to make political decisions of who they will and will not play for.